Dominator type scrapper

I was thinking of making a different type of scrapper that uses a lot of stuns, immobiles, and other forms of crowd control and was wondering if anyone had suggestions. I was thinking electric/dark due to thunder clap, opressive gloom, cloak of fear, and the dark pool power set with tenebrius tentacles but can't think of any other crowd controlling sets.

Although I do think its an interesting concept I'd say you are better off just making a dominator unless you dont have City of Villains. As a scrapper,you would probably kill them alot quicker just focusing on your attacks as opposed to trying to focus on keeping them stunned/immoblized.

My vote is for Spines/Dark/Dark. Spines slows them down, which is kinda controllish. /Dark has Oppressive Gloom and Cloak of Fear, as you mentioned. And Dark as an Epic gets a cone KB, a hold and a cone immob.

Back in the old days we called this a Controller type of Scrapper.

My MA/SR Scrapper is like this, since SR has not always been the best defense, and you can still take a pretty big hit which leaves you in big trouble. He has Intimidate and Invoke Panic to mitigate some additional damage, in addition to his "shields". I would definately recommend Dark for this, either Primary or Secondary, since you have lots of Fear powers in both of those. However, Dark Armor is really a pretty tough defense set in its own right, and isn't really Defense based since it has Res and healing as well.

Actually, Dark/Dark is already pretty much a multifaceted set with lots of utility powers, including the control powers, which stack well with the other defenses. So you may not need to explicitly create a control-oriented Scrapper, Dark is kinda that way already.

I also suspect Ninjitsu would be a very control-oriented type set, if it ever gets Proliferated to Scrappers. In fact, SR plus Stealth plus Intimidate and Invoke Panic feels kind of similar to Ninjitsu to me.

Ma/dark used to look good for that... However now i can't think of anything better than elec/dark. The elec stun + oppressive gloom looks awesome if you're not in a hurry to kill anything... While it looks fun, dead mobs are "controlled" better. So my spines/dark is a good enough controller

Anyway i wouldn't rely on the dark epic for anything. I have tenebrous tentacles on some of my defenders... and nightfall... both already suck for me on a ranged character. So using them on a scrapper sounds like a big waste of time to line up a narrow cone that will hit maybe a third of the mobs in a team setting.

Caltrops seem like a better strategic tool if that's what you're looking for. TT defeats the whole purpose of an AE immob anyway... it's good to keep some mobs in a big pile for some ae goodness. But then you have to jump out of melee to fire it (so the mobs will try to follow you), then most of the time it will miss half of them because of the silly cone, those will come at you, and you'll end up with mobs more scattered than before.

If you really want a controller-ish scrapper, i'd say elec/dark + presence pool. Pbae stun to stack with the stun aura. Pbae fear to stack with the fear aura. AE stun with the self rez.

Ma/da, single target sniper. 1 difficult target stunned and quickly eliminated with good single target damage.
Elec/da, minion/Lt muncher. Not much fun against that pesky AV though.

Caltrops are teh roxxor. However, scattering mobs will eventually get outta range of OG and DR. Not a place I like to be. Anyone who thinks unleashing with TT + NF on a defender sux, I question their judgement. True, dark epic kinda sux but that might change if you want a controllery scrapper.

Too bad /dark is the only choice you can get if u wanna scraptroll.

Something like kinetics for scrappers would be incredible.

Attack foe with siphon power clone and get your resist powers.
Attack foe with ID equivalent to get your mez protection.
transfusion/ference for what they are.
SS for a recharge + damage buff ala build up/quickness.
Image fulcrum shift the equivalent of something like an unstoppable buff.

Have it be like riding a razors edge. Slip up and forget to attack with ID and your mezzed.
Oh, SP ran out, that next hits gonna hurt. Good thing tranfusions ready. Attack attack attack...

Anyways just some ramblings.

Elec/dark does sound hella fun though. Dont think I can take anymore lvls with dark armor though.

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Isn't Elec/'s Handclap a radial knockback power? Certainly less useful to pair with /Dark's PBAoEs.

Back in the SO era, when my only high level scrap was a Claws/Invul, and perhaps not too coincidentally after the Global Defense Adjustment made him no longer idiot-proof, I tried to make him into a "Scare-per" with the Presence Pool fears. He still has the dark epic, but the Presence Pool was a major mistake, and not much fun at all. (Sure, he didn't have the /DA stacking going, but man those powers blow.)

Unless you really need an immob (and maybe you do), TT is pretty disappointing on a scrapper. The cone's arc is narrower than a defender's and narrower than Energy Torrent's.

I do have a spines/dark and I do like the idea that someone mentioned earlier. I might look into it.

Elm/DA is the way to go. elm has sleep, stun, and KB. Dark mastery is also a good chioce with hold, imob, KB, and to hit debuff.

basically it comes off as a fun idea in theory, but doesn't play out as such in practice ...
if your like the idea of controlling the fight, your alot better off playing a controller or dominator...

i'm not saying dont diversify on the scrappers role and experiment, that's actually the fun part of the idea, just that as any AT, you will find yourself more attuned to playing to your strengths, which in the scrappers case is laying waste to all enemies in your path ...

with that said, speaking more on the idea itself, i wouldnt go with EleM/DA as the sleeps and damage aura dont mix, probably the most effective would be a DM/DA/DM (Stacking fear, immob, -tohit debuffs, ect...) , and if anything you can dual build it both ways (scroller / scrapper) for fun

I did something once that I'm not real proud of talking about here on the scrapper forum, but it may be of interest. A sonic/ blapper has a really sweet control power in siren's song. You can sleep an entire spawn, then beat things down 1 at a time from melee range. Combined with air superiority to eliminate incoming damage from your target (who should be the only one awake), it makes for a rather and powerful solo toon, even vs large spawns. (powerful being limited to non-av fights).