Could it be the next Fire/Kin?

Could Fire/MM be the next Fire/Kin farmer? Honestly. Think about it. You jump into the middle of the group and do Drain Psyche to give you some amazing health recovery and energy recovery. Is the health recovery enough for good survivability? Anyway after using DP you unleash your AoEs/Cones: Fire Ball, Psychic Shockwave, and Psy Scream. Just a thought. What do you guys think?

The huge difference is that Controllers have mezzes which is what makes Fire/Kins so effective. Drain Psyhe doesn't stun so you would be dead fast doing it like that. There are far easier ways of doing it, but why would you even want to farm with a Blaster? What would be the point?

There are already fire/mm and archery/mm farming builds. However, they're not fire/kins.

The health/end recovery isn't anywhere close to what you can get with transfusion/transference. Drain psyche allows you to regen it back, but it's not the insta-burst of health or end that you can get with kin powers.

Psychic shockwave is great, but it's not flashfire in terms of leaving a bunch of things stunned. Further, fire cages is not only significant damage over time but keeps things nicely bunched together...something a fire/mm or arch/mm can't do.

I don't think a top end fire/mm or arch/mm can match a top end fire/kin. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I haven't seen one that can beat even my modestly IO'ed fire/kin.

The Fire/Kin works primarily because of Fulcrum Shift.
Thus all of your attacks, no matter how weak, become a force to reckon with at 300% or so higher than normal.
Add in AoE stun, AoE damage and multiple pets and you can steamroll weak groups.

Any archetype with Kinetics, AoE stun and damage can be similarly successful, but Fire Control is most effective because of multiple pets, and Hot Feet.

Fire/MM has AoE damage and PB stun, but you will need to find some way to consistently get +300% normal damage.

A Fire/MM won't be able to Mass Mezz, and effectively double their damage capped AoE Damage. Just a quick example from my build (a very short example but here goes). Using Mid's numbers and both slotted with a level 30 Posi Blast set, My Fire/MM's Fireball does 310 dmg w/ BU and AIM (assuming all ticks) and he has a 32% global dmg buff, Mid's shows that with a full FS a controllers fireball does 347 dmg. Now I'm not sure if Mid's automatically figures that dmg number with containment or not, so if it's including containment it's higher, if thats not w/ containment then its 694 dmg on mobs that aren't fighting back. And thats not even figuring in Firecages, hot feat and Imps. So as much as I'd like that a Fire/MM or any blaster really could do it, they can't. They lack the safety and self buffing to be able to do it.

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MutantX: you seem to be saying one thing and proving another.

A Fire/MM may not do as much damage as a Controller with a capped fireball. (I think Mid's has to be showing Containment, because a controller at cap without containment should be doing about as much as a Blaster without BU/Aim. )

But the Controller doesn't generally get Fire Breath (of the two AOE's, that's the big hitter) and Psychic Scream.

So ignoring Defense, damage goes to the Blaster. You should be able to drop +2 minions with no buffs, 1-2-3.

The safety side, I agree, is where the Controller is far, far ahead. High regen will not stop an alpha, and getting that high regen is a suicide run without something like an AOE sleep.

I would think Arch/ would be a better farmer, I seen Rain of Arrows in action, on top of that it gets Exploding Arrow and the Cone.

No, but if an Arch/MM is built right it's just as fast and safe as a Fire/Kin

I guess I need to be more clear.

When farming, you solo. Then all the stuff goes into your pockets. Arguing that a Blaster is a better farmer because it performs better on a team is missing the point.

Also, as already noted, a Fire/Kin provides more for a team than a Blaster. The Blaster provides good damage. The Fire/Kin provides control, +rech, +recovery, an enormous damage buff, heals, endurance, and good damage. I know which one I'd pick first - though I'd pick a Blaster over a second Fire/Kin.

No it cant... and its been around for a while now.. so its past FoTM...

My Arch/MM could probably give any Fire/Kin a run for its money on a solo farm.
At 191% recharge (With Hasten perma) I've got BU/Aim/RoA up every 15 secondsish give or take.

If I feel like using a mez I'll use the Ice APP AoE sleep, Jump in, use Drain Psych, BU-Aim-RoA-Psychic shockwave and the mob is dead. Most of the time I don't even need to do that.

I farm the Cim wall regularly and have had scrappers, Brutes, Tanks, Widows, and Fire/Kins sit and watch because I clear them faster than they can.

the "next fire/kin" is gonna be Brutes in i16-- they will be abile to solo kill full mob spawns--- and with the AE in RwZ--- thats gonna be the hot spot---{pure speculation}----fire kins wont be abile to solo run for 8 aginst bosses--some brutes will

I personally don't understand farming. When I beat the game, I turned the difficulty up, not down.