Archery/Trick Arrow
The news of A/TA finally coming redside in i16 gave me a happy rash
Soooo... how are Archery and Trick Arrows on a Corruptor?
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I'm looking forward to a Fire/TA corruptor for sure.
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This. I accidently put a boss in AE to 'extreme' with this combination.|
Originally Posted by Coolbreese
I'm looking forward to a Fire/TA corruptor for sure.
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She promptly killed my scrapper in two to three shots, and then lit the corpse on fire.
Not only can I have a TA/Arch defender blue side, but now I can have an Arch/TA corrupter red side! It's genious! I honestly can't wait to see how this toon is gonna play with the higher dmg scaling. My defender can put out some good numbers, but the corr is gonna be just, *drool*
Currently, Trick Arrows is almost a duplicate of the MM version's values, including the 25% higher endurance costs (and Poison Gas Arrow is currently worse for a Corruptor than a MM).
And for Archery, Rain of Arrows' base damage is less than that of the Blaster and Defender versions, but with no reduction is recharge or endurance cost. At level 50, the difference between Corruptor's RoA and Defender's RoA is about 2 points of damage.
So, as much as I like the sets and I'll definitely be making one for that reason, I hope some bugs get worked out and maybe the combo gets a few buffs before Issue 16 goes Live.
Way to kill the mood, trickshooter T_T
I didn't know those #'s though, ur right I hope they do bump TA up to at least controller values. And archery should NOT have defender numbers, I want more dmg not a duplicate of my defender 
I'm not all that interested in a /Trick Arrow Corruptor as I already have a Necromancy/TA Mastermind, but I am indeed rolling an Archery/Dark (possible /Storm) and hoping they fix Rain of Arrows before I get there. They should have plenty of time (should really be fixed before i16 goes live imo, along with the poorer TA values) as I'll also be playing a Dominator.
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Only Rain of Arrows' numbers appear to have been ported over directly from Defenders, the rest of the powers seem to correctly use the Corruptor's modifiers.
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Originally Posted by frostbowe
Way to kill the mood, trickshooter T_T
I didn't know those #'s though, ur right I hope they do bump TA up to at least controller values. And archery should NOT have defender numbers, I want more dmg not a duplicate of my defender |
Fire/TA was loads of fun in closed beta despite the issues that Trickshooter mentioned.
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Arc/TA for me. I was so happy when these sets got ported to Corr's.
Really? The same, when I was fiddling with the character creation, it showed the corruptor damage at lvl 50 being more then when I checked the defender version.
Hope that does indeed get a fix, tho with scourge I can imagine that getting pretty nasty. Does scourge check for each tick?
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more damage ( not too much more but more) but less debuff totals
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Originally Posted by frostbowe
Not only can I have a TA/Arch defender blue side, but now I can have an Arch/TA corrupter red side! It's genious! I honestly can't wait to see how this toon is gonna play with the higher dmg scaling. My defender can put out some good numbers, but the corr is gonna be just, *drool*
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Well, I didn't want to kill the mood, I just wanted to make people aware. It's easy to get distracted by the excitement of finally being able to make a villainous archer, and I didn't want people to forget that we're still in beta, so now is the time to make sure these sets come to Live as best as they possibly can.|
Originally Posted by frostbowe
Way to kill the mood, trickshooter T_T
I didn't know those #'s though, ur right I hope they do bump TA up to at least controller values. And archery should NOT have defender numbers, I want more dmg not a duplicate of my defender |
Though, like I said, no matter what I'll be making one when it does.
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How exactly do you propose we make sure it gets fixed? Corr issues are somewhat traditionally ignored and pushed to the back of the list (not trying to sound emo, but given traps with their values, and wasn't there another set we had the same problem with? Storm and its Lightning Storm or something?). Bug reports? We start a thread like the other AT forums with an ongoing list of known problems? (I wouldn't mind starting one of those, to be honest) Lots and lots of messages to Castle?|
Originally Posted by Trickshooter
Well, I didn't want to kill the mood, I just wanted to make people aware. It's easy to get distracted by the excitement of finally being able to make a villainous archer, and I didn't want people to forget that we're still in beta, so now is the time to make sure these sets come to Live as best as they possibly can.
Though, like I said, no matter what I'll be making one when it does. |
Since you're one of the known TA helpers, mind helping us know how to fix it? I'd really like the right version of Rain of Arrows, and Poison Gas Arrow to be fixed, etc.
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I PMed Castle.
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Originally Posted by Tiny Bolt
How exactly do you propose we make sure it gets fixed?
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I'll be going Energy/TA, so I can knock stuff out of my own Oil Slick and complain to the group leader that I'm doing it on purpose.
Seriously though, I'll probably go Archery/Cold or Archery/Kin unless someone tells me Arch/TA has better -res debuffing. As far as I'm concerned, Lethal sets need all the help they can get when it comes to resists.
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Wow.. this doesn't sound good at all. How can Corruptor's RoA do less damage than Defender's? MM's Trick Arrow values are pathetically low (hence I rank the worst secondary for MM) and if Corr's version is pretty similar then I am not hoping too much.|
Originally Posted by Trickshooter
Currently, Trick Arrows is almost a duplicate of the MM version's values, including the 25% higher endurance costs (and Poison Gas Arrow is currently worse for a Corruptor than a MM).
And for Archery, Rain of Arrows' base damage is less than that of the Blaster and Defender versions, but with no reduction is recharge or endurance cost. At level 50, the difference between Corruptor's RoA and Defender's RoA is about 2 points of damage. So, as much as I like the sets and I'll definitely be making one for that reason, I hope some bugs get worked out and maybe the combo gets a few buffs before Issue 16 goes Live. |
Well, they buffed Defender's Trap and ignored Corr's Trap...yes, I am still bitter.
Hopefully those are bugs. Corr's RoA should do more damage than Defender's.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Corruptors' RoA does do more damage, its just 2 points more. When I said defenders had a higher base samage, I meant the damage scale is higher.
Anyway, Corruptors' Trick Arrows isn't that bugged (although I'm finding a lot of little things), it's just suffering a bit from the nature of Trick Arrows; shared "pets" and shared modifiers for slows, recharge, and mezzes means that the difference between Corruptor and MM TA will be:
1.25% higher -tohit on flash arrow
5% higher defense debuff on acid arrow
Lower endurance costs
MM PGA was buffed (in I16 I guess, but I haven't checked on Live yet) and so now, fixing the Corruptor version will only make them equal.
Basically, its not being ignored. Once the bugs are worked out, it will work exactly as its supposed to, but that'l just be pretty meh compared to the other secondaries.
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I'm a bit confused as to why Corrupters got the MM versions, surely since all the pseudo-pets are non-control powers it would have made more sense to replicate across the Controller version, then all the debuffs would have been correct.
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Originally Posted by Trickshooter
Corruptors' RoA does do more damage, its just 2 points more. When I said defenders had a higher base samage, I meant the damage scale is higher.
Anyway, Corruptors' Trick Arrows isn't that bugged (although I'm finding a lot of little things), it's just suffering a bit from the nature of Trick Arrows; shared "pets" and shared modifiers for slows, recharge, and mezzes means that the difference between Corruptor and MM TA will be: 1.25% higher -tohit on flash arrow 5% higher defense debuff on acid arrow Lower endurance costs MM PGA was buffed (in I16 I guess, but I haven't checked on Live yet) and so now, fixing the Corruptor version will only make them equal. Basically, its not being ignored. Once the bugs are worked out, it will work exactly as its supposed to, but that'l just be pretty meh compared to the other secondaries. |
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Oh, they are going to buff MM Trick Arrow? By how much? I've wanted to make a Merc/TA for a long time but those debuff values just seem so pathetic.
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Originally Posted by Trickshooter
Corruptors' RoA does do more damage, its just 2 points more. When I said defenders had a higher base samage, I meant the damage scale is higher.
Anyway, Corruptors' Trick Arrows isn't that bugged (although I'm finding a lot of little things), it's just suffering a bit from the nature of Trick Arrows; shared "pets" and shared modifiers for slows, recharge, and mezzes means that the difference between Corruptor and MM TA will be: 1.25% higher -tohit on flash arrow 5% higher defense debuff on acid arrow Lower endurance costs MM PGA was buffed (in I16 I guess, but I haven't checked on Live yet) and so now, fixing the Corruptor version will only make them equal. Basically, its not being ignored. Once the bugs are worked out, it will work exactly as its supposed to, but that'l just be pretty meh compared to the other secondaries. |
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I was talking about just PGA and now that I think about it, I may have been mistaken. Modifiers might have confused me if I was looking at the Corruptor version and changed the drop down to MMs. MMs have a melee damage debuff modifier of 0.1 and a ranged damage debuff modifier of 0.075, and then Corruptors have the reverse, so if I was looking at the Corruptor version, then it would make the MM version look better.
But either way, Corrs PGA sits at 15% currently, and it should actually be 20%.
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Yeah. MM's version is only 15% which is pretty weak when mob's level is factored in. 20% for Corruptor sounds just about right since Controller's is 25%.|
Originally Posted by Trickshooter
I was talking about just PGA and now that I think about it, I may have been mistaken. Modifiers might have confused me if I was looking at the Corruptor version and changed the drop down to MMs. MMs have a melee damage debuff modifier of 0.1 and a ranged damage debuff modifier of 0.075, and then Corruptors have the reverse, so if I was looking at the Corruptor version, then it would make the MM version look better.
But either way, Corrs PGA sits at 15% currently, and it should actually be 20%. |
I think Corruptor's TA just needs to mirror Controller's version.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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/em agree
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Originally Posted by Carnifax
I'm a bit confused as to why Corrupters got the MM versions, surely since all the pseudo-pets are non-control powers it would have made more sense to replicate across the Controller version, then all the debuffs would have been correct.
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Just wanted to find out people's opinions on Trick Arrow for corruptors. What primaries you looking to combine it with? Are you looking to use it?