In case anyone missed the memo - I16 Open Beta


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That's what was funny about it; the invite specifically asked that I post in the beta forums to help with the feedback and bug reports.

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As far as i16, soooo much stuff. Anachro's going to roll a claws brute and I'm going to spend days changing the colors of powers on all my alts.


 

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Numberz!

End Discount (~60%) for 30s
Regen Boost (100%) for 30s
Self Heal (25%)
Recharge - 120s
I wasn't that far off! ooooo

I demand all your posts to be in CODE format though


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Numberz!

End Discount (~60%) for 30s
Regen Boost (100%) for 30s
Self Heal (25%)
Recharge - 120s
Assuming this can be slotted with recharge... yes?


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I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen
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I demand all your posts to be in CODE format though
I'll [code] it up when appropriate, and not a moment sooner! One bummer is the current [code] is flaky - in an I16 discussion thread, I found out that the tables align differently for different people. Gah! Annoying.

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Assuming this can be slotted with recharge... yes?
I haven't tried myself, but I've read you could.


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Yes can be slotted for recharge; had 3 heal and 3 rech SOs on test. Believe it also takes Heal IOs and end reduction ().

Was interesting soloing 6 and 8 man diff settings with bosses while solo (same level). The heal was the only thing letting me continue on when multiple groups got aggro'd, and I still was using inspirs often. CoT is not the ideal mob to be judging survivability on for an elec/elec scrapper; the death mages can put the hurt on you in a hurry. IO sets will help, but I think the heal itself was a major boost.


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At Comic Con I spoke the name that cannot be spoken at the question and answer panel. They implied that you might be coming back.

Welcome back!

As far as i16, soooo much stuff. Anachro's going to roll a claws brute and I'm going to spend days changing the colors of powers on all my alts.
You should have thrown shoes until they said yes.

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Numberz!

End Discount (~60%) for 30s
Regen Boost (100%) for 30s
Self Heal (25%)
Recharge - 120s
This makes me very happy.


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Yes can be slotted for recharge; had 3 heal and 3 rech SOs on test. Believe it also takes Heal IOs and end reduction ().

Was interesting soloing 6 and 8 man diff settings with bosses while solo (same level). The heal was the only thing letting me continue on when multiple groups got aggro'd, and I still was using inspirs often. CoT is not the ideal mob to be judging survivability on for an elec/elec scrapper; the death mages can put the hurt on you in a hurry. IO sets will help, but I think the heal itself was a major boost.
But on the other hand, you can pretty much sit in the middle of a huge Rikti scrum and laugh at them. I think my electric brute capped out on energy resist pretty early on.


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But on the other hand, you can pretty much sit in the middle of a huge Rikti scrum and laugh at them. I think my electric brute capped out on energy resist pretty early on.
Yep. Energy resist was fairly well over-capped with SOs. I think I had an extra resist in the passive as well. The lethal/smash wasn't an issue with the CoT, just mainly the neg energy and fire; with the higher settings, the Behemoths and Mages liked to stay at range and just pelt me with their range attacks. I hardly ever use tier 9 god modes, but I'm sure that would have sufficed.


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After reading over responses in the Feedback forums, it absolutely screws over story writers. It also encourages making your arcs much harder than normal if you are using customs. There's far too many ways for a valid author who is trying to make an easy arc to have the majority of the XP sucked out. In fact one of my arcs looks to be irrepairable. It wasn't popular anyways so an eventual Unpublish won't hurt too much but it makes the size limitations of MA arcs all the more glaring.
Yeah, if I'm understanding the changes right, this is going to crimp the boss farms, but also make it more annoying for story writers. I know I made the end boss of my story arc a custom boss, and he's the only one in his "group." Now I'll have to add more to his group so he rewards properly, but I'm not sure how we'll he'll spawn because of it (I had major issues making it all work). Not sure how well it will go, but I'll see, I guess. They still need to make AE work better for selecting specific spawn points (heck, even a spawning reliably in the back would be good... I've noticed normal Dev missions seem to have the same issue, as I've been finding the glowie on the first floor, which can't be intended on a four floor map), and for boss encounters: I was a bit annoyed that I couldn't have my unique boss spawn in an ambush reliably. *sighs*

Energize sounds great... I wish it had stayed at the 90s recharge I remember, but having that every 60 seconds or so after slotting won't be too bad. Might be able to not have Stamina on my elec/elec character once I pick up Energize and Power Sink.


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Yeah, if I'm understanding the changes right, this is going to crimp the boss farms, but also make it more annoying for story writers. I know I made the end boss of my story arc a custom boss, and he's the only one in his "group." Now I'll have to add more to his group so he rewards properly, but I'm not sure how we'll he'll spawn because of it (I had major issues making it all work). Not sure how well it will go, but I'll see, I guess. They still need to make AE work better for selecting specific spawn points (heck, even a spawning reliably in the back would be good... I've noticed normal Dev missions seem to have the same issue, as I've been finding the glowie on the first floor, which can't be intended on a four floor map), and for boss encounters: I was a bit annoyed that I couldn't have my unique boss spawn in an ambush reliably. *sighs*
Actually, your end boss will probably be fine due to exemption rules for the Boss objective itself. The spawn surrounding him will be XP gimped though.

The spawn points are a headache and really need to be looked at. As you said, some spawns are in poor places in the dev's own missions so it's unlikely we'll be seeing any fixes to the maps anytime soon.


 

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Frankly, I'm amazed that the devs have put up with it for so long. Though a lot of things about the engine are rather clunky (for adjusting, etc.), it sounds like. I hope they're working on it, though, as well as more maps and map types... that'd help things a lot.


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Frankly, I'm amazed that the devs have put up with it for so long.
I'm probably too new to be cynical but I'm not surprised at all. Old content is less likely to be updated (they've gone on record to say they are more likely to add new content than fix the old) and the infamous "the devs don't actually play the game" means they don't see these annoyances the way we do.

I hate to be so pessimistic since they did so many other things right this issue including some of the other things with the MA but it burns that it's really only the people who were using the MA right that truly suffer. Not only has there already been discovered a likely workaround for the farmers to still abuse the MA with only minimal XP reduction, but they created options to turn the entire rest of the game into a farm so they really didn't need to do that much to the MA for it to get it to straighten out.


 

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Here's the problem with farming and dealing with it. No matter what, there will people that try to min/max in an unintended way. It ticks me off how many missions in the late 40s are timed defeat alls... it gets tedious. And getting tells to pad, etc. was even more annoying.

Unlike the farming in AE, being able to pad out your own mission gets farming more "off the street." Sure, it's still going on, but it doesn't have as negative an impact on the game. And frankly, people farming Dev created missions is better than AE, as it let's the really good player created stuff stand out more.

And I wouldn't be too pessimistic: the devs do work on bugs and tweaking features. I do rather wonder if they're ever going to tweak some of the old TFs a bit... they really should. Same with some of the old story arcs, just to give them a bit more flavor. I think missions in Faultline, Croatoa, and Striga are just fine... most of the stuff showing its age and less "skill" (as in being a fun, memorable mission) are some (and only some) of the missions in the game originally.

I am somewhat hopeful that it will happen at some point, if nothing else than that they do have competition out there, and they're even doing things like adding new animations to old powersets. This is something I was once assured by other players that "they would never do," as they're too focused on making new shinies. New shinies are nice, but improving the base you have to work on is always a good idea, which is why I always wish to see additions to everything with expansions (new maps and tilesets, new animations, new powers, new missions, etc.). Probably too much to hope for with each one, I know, but I hope for most of them to be covered... I do wish I16 had some new content, but it's got a pretty good base. And it's hard to wish for more with all that customization... that's more options for everyone, not just "some" people like AE was.


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I really wish they'd tweak a lot of the old TF's. The last missions of the TF's if nothing else; but more things like promoting named bosses to EB's or even AV's, adding more ambushes to the end fights, etc.

Take Augustine, the coming Merit Farming Awesomeness. The damn Archmages should have been promoted to AV's (or at least EB's) years ago.

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The original TFs need a Synapse lookover for their final missions... that final level and Babbage really make Synapse interesting.

It still has a lot of tediousness in its missions, like the other Phalanx TFs, but that at least makes it stand out. Posi's should probably use some of the layout from the Faultline dam (so they could use existing resources there) so you feel like you're actually saving a dam, not yet another lab, etc.

Really, the missions could be tweaked easily in the old ones... take out some of the hunts, trim out repetitive missions (I think even making some of the missions longer would be a better tradeoff), etc. Having a special map/encounter at the end would be a little bit of work, but you can't tell me players wouldn't appreciate it. It would also make a lot more sense with a lot of their gameplay tweaks lately: if we're supposed to be playing the whole game all the time, it should all be of similar quality.


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The badge changes will be nice on some. And I can't tell if any are SG badges. The SG I am in with my two friends, we never farmed anything, so we do have much in that area, even after 5 years.
Oh well, hopefully will try to get on this weekend to look at the changes.
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There was talk of looking into SG badges, but they were going to do the personal stuff first. So maybe in a patch later on or maybe in another issue/GR? he wasn't very specific.
New patch for test has SG badge changes now as well.


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Check out those newest changes to the XP for the Crazed and the Freaks. Looks like the devs put on their big boy boots to kick the farmers in the nuts this time.

Well, them and anyone else encountering Freaks in normal missions. And TFs. And MA missions.


 

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Check out those newest changes to the XP for the Crazed and the Freaks. Looks like the devs put on their big boy boots to kick the farmers in the nuts this time.

Well, them and anyone else encountering Freaks in normal missions. And TFs. And MA missions.
farmers have made this game taste like castor oil


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I don't mind Freaks losing some xp, though cutting minions and lts (I think that's what it was) to .8 xp is quite harsh. They still have that Dull Pain and end draining, which makes them plenty annoying in the 20s-30s. Going back to one for those would have been better, even if they do have the ability to rez. Their bosses shouldn't be cut back at all, as they're plenty tough and hit hard... the xp bonus felt justified for them, for sure.

If it was an issue with Freaks in the 40s, they should have found a way to adjust those.

Ugh... I'm not the only one saying this, either. I don't mind things that are overpowered being nerfed, but this is silly... especially since Freaks have been this way a long time, correct? It would have made more sense a couple years ago, if anything.


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Instead of cutting the XP bonus for freaks, why didn't they increase the bonus for everyone else? Afterall, farmers are still going to farm so, instead of getting 4mill inf per hour, they will only get 3.5mill. Silly, especially since all the farmers are doing custom villain groups anyway.


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I don't mind Freaks losing some xp, though cutting minions and lts (I think that's what it was) to .8 xp is quite harsh. They still have that Dull Pain and end draining, which makes them plenty annoying in the 20s-30s. Going back to one for those would have been better, even if they do have the ability to rez. Their bosses shouldn't be cut back at all, as they're plenty tough and hit hard... the xp bonus felt justified for them, for sure.

If it was an issue with Freaks in the 40s, they should have found a way to adjust those.

Ugh... I'm not the only one saying this, either. I don't mind things that are overpowered being nerfed, but this is silly... especially since Freaks have been this way a long time, correct? It would have made more sense a couple years ago, if anything.
They should have just added new 40+ mobs to make them tougher. Improved sonic tanks, rikti freaks, criticals for the melee rikti, sneaky freaks, etc.


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farmers have made this game taste like castor oil
Game's still the same, with the farmers in Atlas instead of PI. Any bad taste is your thinning patience :P

I wish the devs would maybe just do one thing at a time instead of the shotgun approach to adjustments. The Super Sidekick system helps with the PLing as much as anything. Farming? AE is not even the best farm tool with the new sidekick system. But instead of seeing how SSK played out, we get a carpet-bombing of AE XP changes and changes to the Freaks. Speed bump for farmers, punch in the gut to AE authors who care about their arcs getting played, and potentially their ratings (Ur XPz suks, 1 star, lol).


 

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Instead of cutting the XP bonus for freaks, why didn't they increase the bonus for everyone else? Afterall, farmers are still going to farm so, instead of getting 4mill inf per hour, they will only get 3.5mill. Silly, especially since all the farmers are doing custom villain groups anyway.
Actually, standard mobs with the harder ones culled or made to be all bosses are probably more popular than custom mobs. Crazed were really popular, and we see them getting changed this issue.


 

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I really wish they'd tweak a lot of the old TF's. The last missions of the TF's if nothing else; but more things like promoting named bosses to EB's or even AV's, adding more ambushes to the end fights, etc.

Take Augustine, the coming Merit Farming Awesomeness. The damn Archmages should have been promoted to AV's (or at least EB's) years ago.

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Yes, they should be bumped up. But I'm glad they didn't since I used those models for a villain in the last story arc I wrote.

(If push came to shove, I'd totally turn him back into a standard but re-colorized Death Mage.)


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