Even with any unconfirmed set bonuses looming, I doubt they would be able to make you durable enough to take some of those nasty alpha's and keep rolling. Sure, you could T9 your way out of some things, but that won't help you all the time. I don't think/regen will work for brutes. Hell, I even think we will get /ice armor before we get regen.
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Ice Armor'd be a great set for Brutes. Not sure why you think it's a bad idea.|
Originally Posted by magikwand
Even with any unconfirmed set bonuses looming, I doubt they would be able to make you durable enough to take some of those nasty alpha's and keep rolling. Sure, you could T9 your way out of some things, but that won't help you all the time. I don't think/regen will work for brutes. Hell, I even think we will get /ice armor before we get regen.
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Regeneration, however doesn't interest me unless they give Brutes Katana or Broadsword simultaneously or prior to the introduction. Then it truly will be min/max worthy!
I don't think it's all that interesting really.
Regen, assuming similar powers and power order to the existing set, gives you:
-A VERY fast start
-The capacity to pick your moment. You can be very durable when you have to be, provided you have time to recharge your clicks. Against tough single bosses (not so much EBs and AVs) this is good, or of course it's good in PvP... but I think brutes are not currently the right choice in PvP anyway...
-A relatively high solo immortality line out of the box, at the cost of generally somewhat lower burst survival with clicks down, and at the cost of it being rather harder to augment this value with anything but +recharge.
There's a lot of psi redside, and thus a lot of -recharge. There's a real need for brutes to take Alphas on a regular basis, not just when dull pain is up. There's no taunt aura in regen which might be a good thing in some ways, but it won't help you soak aggro any. Brutes cannot yet take parry. Brutes already tend to start as fast as I'd ever really need.
Sure you can perma dull pain. Sure the brute HP cap is high. Sure you can cut down the recharge on IH and MoG, throw on tough and stack IO def. I'm certain it'd be a viable set... but for min maxing? I'm just not sure why I'd pick it over WP for most PvE content. Heck, if they actually give EA energize (doubtful in my opinion but hey, who knows) I'm not sure why I'd pick regen over /EA for anything short of the odd rularuu spawn.
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Originally Posted by BillZBubba
Castle would just slap one in Integration like he did with SR Evasion.
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Scale 3.0 to Sm, Le; Scale 3.5 Toxic; taunt aura (but not for Scrappers
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With the soft-capped kids running around, this isn't completely a crazy thought no?
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Maybe, but I'm not so sure... A taunt aura on a baseline protection power is bad enough in that it limits footprint options, but a taunt aura on a mez shield? that seems even less ideal.
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Castle would just slap one in Integration like he did with SR Evasion.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Or resilience would become a toggle with:
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I think you'd probably find them wanting to lengthen the recharge on something in exchange... but hey, why not?
It'd certainly get rid of some of the alpha soaking issues.
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Yes, probably. But if IH went to 1000 seconds in exchange for this, that wouldn't be so bad. The only thing really needed for most tanking is to be able to take a Sm, Le hit. So giving Regen a Sm, Le resist toggle would fix that. |
Originally Posted by Spiritchaser
That would change the nature of the set in general...
I think you'd probably find them wanting to lengthen the recharge on something in exchange... but hey, why not? It'd certainly get rid of some of the alpha soaking issues. |
It might make Regen a bit too good for SO level balance, but top performance balance wouldn't change much I wouldn't think.
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I think SO balance might be more of an issue when (if) parry becomes available. High melee defence, high HP, regen, QR and then also a solid SL resist toggle would make some things I can think of a bit too harmless... of course quite a few sets would find that to be the case with parry, regen (as you propose it) would probably just be the worst offender of a bad bunch.
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I wonder if Parry/DA will ever make it to Tankers/Brutes? Seriously, I could see that getting switched out for something else for those ATs.
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Originally Posted by Spiritchaser
I think SO balance might be more of an issue when (if) parry becomes available. High melee defence, high HP, regen, QR and then also a solid SL resist toggle would make some things I can think of a bit too harmless... of course quite a few sets would find that to be the case with parry, regen (as you propose it) would probably just be the worst offender of a bad bunch.
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I never said ice armor was bad for brutes. I only said it is more likely that we would get it as a secondary than regen. I think ice armor is dandy, in fact.
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Originally Posted by Ahmon
Ice Armor'd be a great set for Brutes. Not sure why you think it's a bad idea.
Regeneration, however doesn't interest me unless they give Brutes Katana or Broadsword simultaneously or prior to the introduction. Then it truly will be min/max worthy! |
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If Brutes get it I'll finally make a /regen toon.
In order to make regen for brutes you would have to change it a lot, oh, wait, they did that already, its called WillPower...
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But that would give Brutes access to Quick Recovery! 
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Brutes had Ice Armor and Ice Melee for CoV beta. They were pulled because they hampered Fury generation by slowing incoming attacks.|
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Ice Armor'd be a great set for Brutes. Not sure why you think it's a bad idea.
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Originally Posted by Spiritchaser
I'm certain it'd be a viable set... but for min maxing? I'm just not sure why I'd pick it over Shield Defense for most PvE content.
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I dont think brutes will ever get regen.. its just too good. ofcourse im speaking in terms of pvp. usually in pvp the regen scrappers are the last left standing after all other scrappers and tankers are dead. imagine a brute version with their higher normal and max HP. imagine a tanker with regen.. it would just be insane and downright OP. even regen stalkers can outlast most brutes. its just a sick set
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As a min/maxer myself I am very curious about the potential of a Brute with /Regeneration. Any other number crunchers out there interested in seeing this set? Even with the would be holes. By then too there may be a few new IO sets with some nice bonuses.