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Originally Posted by Haetron
Ima quoting this jus cuz i luv dat smilee
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Not so much every thread, just the threads that already took a turn into fluff. The number of threads created is lower, which makes finding older threads that much easier. How many non-rookery threads do you see that have some sort of silliness posted in them? That's what I'm referring to. The general derailment of a thread into whatever it had turned into would be something she would comment on (amongst many others), but she didn't need to make a new thread each time it came up.|
Originally Posted by Eikochan
So, fluff that pervades every thread on the forum is preferable to fluff cordoned off in its own thread each day?
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Inflating it to "every thread" is a bit dishonest though, wouldn't you think? That would be like me saying that every thread for the last five pages are Rookery threads.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
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Originally Posted by BouncingBeatnik
*inhales*.....It smells like....Victory!
er, or Virtue. Anyway, Charlie don't surf! |
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Originally Posted by Reiraku
Inflating it to "every thread" is a bit dishonest though, wouldn't you think? That would be like me saying that every thread for the last five pages are Rookery threads.
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Past 5 pages, count the threads.
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Already counted 2, there was a total of 9 Rookery threads, and something like 48 (I think, without looking) regular threads.
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Originally Posted by Flea_Mark_Evil
Actually, can we get a count?
Past 5 pages, count the threads. |
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Originally Posted by Merry_Mint
If the issue truly boils down to the inconvienience of multiple threads, then Rookery-hate is completely disingenuous, anti-pop, wanna-be-edgy contrarian nonsense.
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Even me, apparently, seeing as I have no stake in either side of the argument and am just sitting on the sidelines taking pot-shots at any target I like.
I mean seriously.. completely disingenuous, anti-pop, wannabe edgy contrary nonsense is the new pop culture. Its hip to hate! Apathy is the new zest!
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Here it is, Flea. <3
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Originally Posted by Vivace
I believe this is a no-win situation for both sides. One side steadfastly believes that everything Rookery-related should be consolidated into one massive thread, and that will solve the forum clogging problem. The other would like to continue posting daily threads in an effort to stay fresh and keep in touch.
Now, currently I see 3 Rookery threads on the front page of Virtue and 22 non-Rookery threads on the front page. That's about 7.3 regular threads for every 1 Rookery thread. It certainly doesn't seem like that much when put in terms like that, does it? Oh page 4, I see 4 Rookery threads and 21 non-Rookery threads. That's less than 5.5 regular threads for every one Rookery thread. Again, it doesn't seem like that much, and certainly doesn't seem like you have to scroll through a ton of Rookery threads to get to non-Rookery threads. |
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It er...was a compliment Viv... Its okay, we know we're only pale imitations of the true masters.... ;7
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Originally Posted by Vivace
Hey....
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So, roughly 1/6 of the first two pages is Rookery fluff. |
Originally Posted by Vivace
Already counted 2, there was a total of 9 Rookery threads, and something like 48 (I think, without looking) regular threads.
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Dear god. And Viv, imagine that on Victory. Hell, I don't think Hamster came anywhere near that with his random day to day posts. Pity it only archives so far.
Edit: Curious.
Now, a proportion of Fluff to Non Fluff (Events, RP, Fiction, LFG posts, New To Server Posts, Queries)...that is the next investigation
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Originally Posted by Merry_Mint
If the issue truly boils down to the inconvienience of multiple threads, then Rookery-hate is completely disingenuous, anti-pop, wanna-be-edgy contrarian nonsense.
Haetron, I don't know if you're going for some kind of metaironic parody, but it's looking more like an ear-plugging meltdown. |
Great googly moogly I think I'm in love.
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20 out of 106 total if we go with my five page settings.|
Originally Posted by Flea_Mark_Evil
So, roughly 1/6 of the first two pages is Rookery fluff.
Dear god. And Viv, imagine that on Victory. Hell, I don't think Hamster came anywhere near that with his random day to day posts. Pity it only archives so far. Edit: Curious. Now, a proportion of Fluff to Non Fluff (Events, RP, Fiction, LFG posts, New To Server Posts, Queries)...that is the next investigation |
Edit: 20 out of 106 Rookery threads, not fluff to non fluff threads.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
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Wait Ely, I'm confused.|
Originally Posted by Elysienne
Well, that's what all the cool kids are doing these days.
Even me, apparently, seeing as I have no stake in either side of the argument and am just sitting on the sidelines taking pot-shots at any target I like. I mean seriously.. completely disingenuous, anti-pop, wannabe edgy contrary nonsense is the new pop culture. Its hip to hate! Apathy is the new zest! |
I thought it was cool to be not cool. So what you are saying is that being not cool, is cool. Well if that is the case then we're not being cool by being cool. OMFG *stabs out his own mind*
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18, plus (at least) 3 anti-Rookery threads. |
Originally Posted by Flea_Mark_Evil
Actually, can we get a count?
Past 5 pages, count the threads. |
And that's counting the Rookery static team thread as one, as well as the short "guide" thread that was created.
So 18 of the 125 threads on those 5 pages, which is slightly less than 15%.
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Originally Posted by Eikochan
18, plus (at least) 3 anti-Rookery threads.
And that's counting the Rookery static team thread as one, as well as the short "guide" thread that was created. So 18 of the 125 threads on those 5 pages, which is slightly less than 15%. |
So clearly the Rookery is destroying the entire community.
Amirite?
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Honestly, I would welcome some more fun to the Victory boards. We're pretty staid.
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Originally Posted by Flea_Mark_Evil
So, roughly 1/6 of the first two pages is Rookery fluff.
Dear god. And Viv, imagine that on Victory. Hell, I don't think Hamster came anywhere near that with his random day to day posts. Pity it only archives so far. Edit: Curious. Now, a proportion of Fluff to Non Fluff (Events, RP, Fiction, LFG posts, New To Server Posts, Queries)...that is the next investigation |
Curious. I may do a count later tonight myself to see the fluctuation....but for now I require sleep.
And a Rookery thread can be termed as 'Rookery', much like creature categories in random CCGs and RPGs with their terminology - so generally Rookery 'themed'.
Of course this then leads to the question of what is termed Fluff?
Honest answers?
LFG/New Team/ New SG Threads - Not fluff. Someone looking for a group, forming a new group etc. is very much what these forums were intended for.
New To Server Threads - Can be seen as similar to the LFG threads, someone introducing themself to a new server is very similar...these do tend to degenerate quickly though if not really allowed to die.
RP/Fiction - Again, not really Fluff. Pseudo fluff as it could be seen as not really necessary but it fits in better than discussions about breakfast.
General CoX Queries - If we're calling this Fluff we're going about this wrong.
Fluff is generally non-CoX related, non-server related discussion. Book and film reviews. Birthday posts. Forum games. Fairly easy to see what is what here.
Grey areas do crop up - Grats on 50 posts, duplicate posts, cross posts....depends on who's looking at it.
Food for thought.
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I think this "debate" has been framed in the most petty and myopic terms. What this is really about is limiting people's fun because some other people are annoyed by that fun.|
Originally Posted by Flea_Mark_Evil
Curious. I may do a count later tonight myself to see the fluctuation....but for now I require sleep.
And a Rookery thread can be termed as 'Rookery', much like creature categories in random CCGs and RPGs with their terminology - so generally Rookery 'themed'. Of course this then leads to the question of what is termed Fluff? Honest answers? LFG/New Team/ New SG Threads - Not fluff. Someone looking for a group, forming a new group etc. is very much what these forums were intended for. New To Server Threads - Can be seen as similar to the LFG threads, someone introducing themself to a new server is very similar...these do tend to degenerate quickly though if not really allowed to die. RP/Fiction - Again, not really Fluff. Pseudo fluff as it could be seen as not really necessary but it fits in better than discussions about breakfast. General CoX Queries - If we're calling this Fluff we're going about this wrong. Fluff is generally non-CoX related, non-server related discussion. Book and film reviews. Birthday posts. Forum games. Fairly easy to see what is what here. Grey areas do crop up - Grats on 50 posts, duplicate posts, cross posts....depends on who's looking at it. Food for thought. |
OK, so a lot of people don't like the Rookery. Those people who want it put in one thread are advocating limits on people's fun because they are annoyed with multiple threads. I am sorry, but your annoyance is too low of a bar to limit people's fun.
The Rookery is harmless. It's fluff and zany light-hearted intra-day banter that some people enjoy. Since there is no giant flamewar going on in the Rookery, or anything that is outright hurtful or illegal going on there, then the mods should leave it alone. That they have let it exist in peace for so long signals to me that they have decided they are cool with the Rookery in its current, daily incarnation.
If we examine this through that lens, what then, is left of this "discussion" or debate? All that remains is that a certain group of individuals don't like the Rookery and want their will imposed on how those threads progress. That is a limitation on the fun of those who /do/ enjoy it. No matter how you slice this, this debate is about how group A wants to limit the fun of group B over something that is, at its absolute worst, a petty annoyance.
The tools currently exist for people who are annoyed by the Rookery or don't like it or whatever, to completely ignore its existence. Those tools merely need to be implemented by those people who wish not to partake of it. That they choose not to implement those tools is very telling of the attitudes of those people who have vented all this Rookery hate (or hate for "fluff" in general). Sometimes you don't get what you want in life. Sometimes that is for a very good reason.
I would think that if there is anything approaching irony about this whole thread it's that individuals who were so deeply criticized for their fluff are now on some crusade to limit other people's fluff. Absolutely hilarious. What is it about the Internet that turns otherwise intelligent people into such a petty bunch of *******? Why do you want to limit the fun of other people who are not hurting you?
Think on that for a bit.
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Oh, hey you know what SHOULD be done..?
For every Rookery thread posted hereafter, someone else should post a "The Anti-Rookery" thread! That way, the two posts will cancel each other out and certainly not cause yet more pointless topics to sift through.
'Cause that's how these things work, right?
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That depends entirely upon how many threads in the forum would be Rookery-style fluff without the Rookery around. If that number is 15% or more, than the Rookery is at least a neutral influence, if not a good one. If the number is less than 15%, then the Rookery likely contributes to a degradation of the forum.|
Originally Posted by YellowjacketX
So clearly the Rookery is destroying the entire community.
Amirite? |
For the record, from my experiences, the Rookery is about 20% RP, 80% fluff.
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See, file this under nature abhorrs a vaccuum and all that jazz...|
Originally Posted by Eikochan
That depends entirely upon how many threads in the forum would be Rookery-style fluff without the Rookery around. If that number is 15% or more, than the Rookery is at least a neutral influence, if not a good one. If the number is less than 15%, then the Rookery likely contributes to a degradation of the forum.
For the record, from my experiences, the Rookery is about 20% RP, 80% fluff. |
If there wasn't a Rookery, there'd be something else, filling that spot up. There would be those that love it and those who think it's lame.
My suspicion is that the Rookery neither hurts or improves the forums. It merely is.
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The Zen Fluff-Thread.
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'zactly, only with less ancient, Asian monks.
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Originally Posted by Elysienne
The Zen Fluff-Thread.
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Really? Oh...I'm kinda disappointed now.
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If the issue truly boils down to the inconvienience of multiple threads, then Rookery-hate is completely disingenuous, anti-pop, wanna-be-edgy contrarian nonsense.
Haetron, I don't know if you're going for some kind of metaironic parody, but it's looking more like an ear-plugging meltdown.
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