Obviously, player skill matters
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Aura_Familia,
Posted on: 2009-08-10 16:06 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
As others have said, -HP is the most powerful of all DeBuffs. Once you cap the -HP you've permanently disabled your enemy.
And no need to get overly aggressive Wavicle... Just because your point of view differs from that of others does not mean you are right and everyone else is wrong. Enough +DMG/-RES and nothing lives long enough to pose a threat, so I don't see why you couldn't call it mitigation. A slightly skilled player can use even +MovementSpeed for mitigation.
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here is a test: if a teammate says, "we need more mitigation," do you look for a blaster or scrapper, or do you try and find an available tanker, defender, or controller?
I leave any team where a player says "we need x".
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What if 'x' is beer?
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Originally Posted by Smurphy
I leave any team where a player says "we need x".
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Then they wouldn't be saying "we need beer", they'd be saying "we need more beer", or "let's transfer to Pinnacle".
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Originally Posted by Zem__
What if 'x' is beer?
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while this completely misses my point, i am now curious|
Originally Posted by Smurphy
I leave any team where a player says "we need x".
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explain the reasoning here
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Because, typically, when someone makes a "we need <insert something here>" to do content, then that means the player is incapable of functioning adequately without said crutch. This includes, but is not limited to: "we need a healer", "we need more healers", "we need a tank", "we need a kin".|
Originally Posted by _____
while this completely misses my point, i am now curious
explain the reasoning here |
I think you get the idea.
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i think the word "need" is often not used literally in the game
substituting it for "would be better off with" probably conveys something closer to the intended meaning
now to be sure there are going to be cases where people do mean it in a literal sense but my experience says they're in the minority so quitting any team in which a "need" for x is brought up seems like an overreaction
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Yeah I have a bee in my bonnet about that as well.|
Originally Posted by Smurphy
I leave any team where a player says "we need x".
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Tbh there is even more survivability on offer than either people need to know or will ever know. It varies. Although some team make ups should be more efficient than others I wouldn't for potential go about writing every desperate looking team make up off.
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Many a leader has made a team wait for what could easily of been the duration of the TF for a much needed whatever. ITF = 30 mins but the team building for it took = 1 hour. XD
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Originally Posted by _____
i think the word "need" is often not used literally in the game
substituting it for "would be better off with" probably conveys something closer to the intended meaning now to be sure there are going to be cases where people do mean it in a literal sense but my experience says they're in the minority so quitting any team in which a "need" for x is brought up seems like an overreaction |
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I've been on all the extreme teams of all of this, or all of that, or all the extreme mixes. They all can work. I usually respond "we're fine without x, let's just get some people and shoot stuff". Sometimes others respond "I really want x" or "we can't do it without x", or "it be better with x". I play CoH to shoot stuff. I get a bunch of people together and we charge maniacally at stuff. That's what I want to do. If other people want to do otherwise they can but I won't be joining. I'd rather read a book, join another team, or do anything else than be on a team of "need x"rs...
Of course not all need x's. I'll admit I exagerated, but anything game related where it's not some theme team and I'm gone. I think most people got the idea from my original statement.
Last time I heard "We need [x]" it was Brickstown, "We need a healer" and I was playin a Dark/Ice defender.
I actually got into an argument with the leader ... I don't remember whether I quit or got kicked, but it was probably just a matter of 20 seconds either way.
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I was playing my Dark/Dark Defender when I responded to someone's Broadcast for a Defender. he asked me if I was a healer. I replied, "I have a heal". He never invited me. his loss.
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
Last time I heard "We need [x]" it was Brickstown, "We need a healer" and I was playin a Dark/Ice defender.
I actually got into an argument with the leader ... I don't remember whether I quit or got kicked, but it was probably just a matter of 20 seconds either way. |
There I was between a rock and a hard place. Then I thought, "What am I doing on this side of the rock?"
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I could swear on one of your ITFs you said "we need more Fallout"!
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Originally Posted by Smurphy
I leave any team where a player says "we need x".
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Yeah, I can see why this would be a problem. Unless one of the kins was Earth/Kin, you're going to have some trouble hitting Roman shields. I've found that a broad variety of controller and defender sets usually steamrolls mobs the fastest.|
Originally Posted by Fury_Flechette
The team line up was a dream line up. 3 kins (including my fire/kin controller), 1 dark defender, 2 scrappers, 1 brute and a stone tank. 3 kins and a dark defender, if piloted competently, means you can basically trivialize any content in this game. You're talking about everyone on the team with max recharge, max speed and max damage with heals and all enemies debuffed for -spd, -rech, -dmg, -res and -regen.
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As mentioned, the timing on Fulcrum Shifts can be tricky if the mobs aren't debuffed. My dream team would include a Kin and then some Earth, Trick Arrow, Storm, Rad or Dark thrown in there. Earth/Storm can be particularly nasty, with some fairly extreme defense debuffing, and pretty decent to-hit and damage resist debuffing.
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This is SO true in my experience. It is one of the great features of this game. If you can play competently a whole new level opens up regardless of your sets.
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Originally Posted by Fury_Flechette
Good players on any AT will just figure out how to make it work even with oddball combinations. Poor players will struggle with even the dream line up.
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