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no credit fo you!
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Originally Posted by umbral_na
i think i get to claim credit for this. It's disturbingly similar to the change i suggested here. It's got the exact same uptime ratio and switches out my suggested +hp with +regen and +recov with +end redux with eerily similar contributive values.
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MoG does not violate the cottage rule. The basic function of the power: absurd defense/resist to all but psi; high endurance recovery; strong status protection has never left the power.|
Originally Posted by Santorican
Blasters almost got two conserve powers first round of power set proliferation until everyone started complaining that they liked shocking bolt and then someone changed it.
There have also been two accounts that I can remember where the cottage rule was broken, MoG and Gravity Controllers team teleport. |
We're only arguing about the details.
Likewise, Energize is still apparently an endurance discount power. I can't wait until open beta to try it out.
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Agreed. Breaking the "cottage rule" is something like making Whirling Sword into a team +speed buff that deals no damage. It's a radical departure from the original spec of the power.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
MoG does not violate the cottage rule. The basic function of the power: absurd defense/resist to all but psi; high endurance recovery; strong status protection has never left the power.
We're only arguing about the details. Likewise, Energize is still apparently an endurance discount power. I can't wait until open beta to try it out. |
Messing with the recharge/duration/magnitude of a power is typically considered a buff or nerf, depending on how the stats change.
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In the context of the origin of the term, I think having Build Up produce a mini-gold would be kind of sweet.
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Originally Posted by Spiritchaser
Clearly the cottage can become a cabin or a chalet. It's just unlikely to become a mini-golf.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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No, this cannot be allowed to happen because the team's stalker will invariably start arguing that the hole needs to be located somewhere unmentionable when the power is used on Carnie Missions.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
In the context of the origin of the term, I think having Build Up produce a mini-gold would be kind of sweet.
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Definately going to play this. I was bemoaning just before the announcement that I couldn't roll a BS/elec. As for having too many good powers, I just had that difficulty with my BS/SD
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Originally Posted by DSorrow
This power certainly makes Elec more appealing. Might roll the BS/Elec I've been thinking of now!
Bad thing is, though, that Elec now has too many good powers  |
Yeah, I have been toying with the idea of a Spines/ELA scrapper since they announced the proliferations. This would make it easy for me go ahead with that plan.
I'm just wondering how many "Norelco" characters I'm gonna have to run past...
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I might actually make a tank...
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Heh.
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Originally Posted by Desmodos
I'm just wondering how many "Norelco" characters I'm gonna have to run past...
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Thank you proliferation for this change!
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Tanks have a similar problem as Scrappers, in that there's a lot of overkill in the Energy Resist department (120% Energy Resist on a Tank? Sheesh...). I'm highly considering not taking Grounded (Negative Energy isn't that big a deal anyway) in both cases and shoring up the Immob/KB with Combat Jumping and some IOs. I'll miss out on some End Drain resist, but there's still plenty of it in Static Shield (over 100%).
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Originally Posted by Sarrate
 I probably wouldn't make an Elec Armor Scrapper (ungh, 75% res cap), but a Brute or Tank? Maybe.  |
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Bah. I was set on safely ignoring Electric Armor with my previous experience on my level 50 Elec/Elec/Elec Brute. Now I have to decide what I want to play first, Electric Melee/Shield Defense or Electric Melee/Electric Armor. Fooey.
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Everyone is copying my planned build! I curse you all!
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
Electric Melee/Shield Defense
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That's because we all want Double Tele-Smash on our Scrappers.
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I just can't see why everyone is so happy with electric armor. Even with the buff leaked from closed beta, it seems like one of the worst sets for me when it comes to... well, survival. It seems like the average resist set with endurance tool instead of health tool, the stupid tier 9 with a huge crash, and nothing really special about it.
When looking at numbers, i just can't picture how to make something even slightly survivable with it unless going full on the defense bonus with sets. It seems to compete with fire in the less survivable league but without the damage. Even energy aura seems very good compared to Ela.
So anyone could enlighten me on why electric armor is so awesome ?
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While I have found Electric Armor to be a terrible set for the ITF (which is my own personal testing ground for melee...I just love the ITF..probably my favorite TF)...|
Originally Posted by Celidya
I just can't see why everyone is so happy with electric armor. Even with the buff leaked from closed beta, it seems like one of the worst sets for me when it comes to... well, survival. It seems like the average resist set with endurance tool instead of health tool, the stupid tier 9 with a huge crash, and nothing really special about it.
When looking at numbers, i just can't picture how to make something even slightly survivable with it unless going full on the defense bonus with sets. It seems to compete with fire in the less survivable league but without the damage. Even energy aura seems very good compared to Ela. So anyone could enlighten me on why electric armor is so awesome ? |
...for the rest of the game, I think the heal might actually pull it through. I grabbed Tough/Weave, and found alot of /ELA's survival come at lvl 36, when I could have Power Sink slotted a bit, could run in, drain everything.
I just had to survive the alpha.
Solo, I never found /ELA all that bad. Still, it didn't pass my own survival test...but with the heal added in, it just might. At least it'll handle the alpha better than it did before with the heal
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Leaked buff? Can anyone care to enlighten me? Or, alternatively, point me at the information?
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Originally Posted by Celidya
Even with the buff leaked from closed beta,
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I feel your pain. I have my own /ela horror stories. This changes everything.
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
Bah. I was set on safely ignoring Electric Armor with my previous experience on my level 50 Elec/Elec/Elec Brute. Now I have to decide what I want to play first, Electric Melee/Shield Defense or Electric Melee/Electric Armor. Fooey.
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"All problems can be solved by throwing enough scrappers at it."
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Uhm... Read the first post in this thread?
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Originally Posted by TwilightPhoenix
Leaked buff? Can anyone care to enlighten me? Or, alternatively, point me at the information?
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What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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The main problem I and others had with /ela was that it was pure res. Even though the numbers are higher then the ave res set. Short of draining all end from attackers, you didn't have any other type of protection. The new power has a heal and gives 100% regen buff for 30 seconds. That alone will add to survival. Add that with some recharge (ok, a lot of recharge), some def (say about 20 to 30%), and maybe some regen bonuses. That will raise the survival a great deal.|
Originally Posted by Celidya
I just can't see why everyone is so happy with electric armor. Even with the buff leaked from closed beta, it seems like one of the worst sets for me when it comes to... well, survival. It seems like the average resist set with endurance tool instead of health tool, the stupid tier 9 with a huge crash, and nothing really special about it.
When looking at numbers, i just can't picture how to make something even slightly survivable with it unless going full on the defense bonus with sets. It seems to compete with fire in the less survivable league but without the damage. Even energy aura seems very good compared to Ela. So anyone could enlighten me on why electric armor is so awesome ? |
Check out the brute's version of this topic. The main thing said is about getting to drop the medic pool and making an intesive recharge build. Lightning reflexes is going to help in that goal.
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...d'oh! I thought this was the older Electric Armor topic, since when I clicked "Go to latest" it didn't take me to post 1. For some reason these forums are marking unread topics as read for me on occasion, which, as you just saw, is causing me some issues. Now to go back and read this topic...
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
Uhm... Read the first post in this thread?
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Hmm maybe. I just have a hard time picturing any kind of decent survivability when i compare to Dark armor, where i have to bring back my hp from almost 0 to full every 9sec while having only 10 or 20% less resists against most damage types, the auras, some defense, etc... Enhanced and with a full recharge build, the new elec heal might be 50% health and some regen every 30sec or something like that. And dark armor already feels squishy.
Maybe enough for a tank but unless going for tons of +def (and then forgeting about recharge) it doesn't seem nearly enough for anything that hits a lot (thinking cimerora as well... that's usually my test run for melee survivability: one groupe on the wall = decent, two groups = good).
Now i admit i don't really take into account the end drain. Can /ElA reliably drain to 0 endurance the mobs and keep them here so they can't attack ? That seems odd, and usually the drained mobs tend to run everywhere, don't they ? A sapper build would be interesting if the mobs don't run away as soon as they're drained.
Dark armor lover.
The Claws/DA Scrapper guide.
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Now, any chance that the Conserve Power in Energy Aura could get swapped out with something simillar?
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