Reclue Victory: Freedom

Blu, your post is pretty spot on and shows how we got to this nonsense, alot of the whiners were to lazy to actually do what it took to be a good pvpr. They just wanted victory handed to them so they cried, so castle granted it to them slowly at 1st and then forced feed i13. And they played it, still performed the same versus a skilled player, and quit playing it again, so now all servers save freedom and virtue have ghost towns. And they don't because we all transfered their to pvp. I spent at least 45$ transfering toons, AE was the greatest thing ever for a pvpr in the respec you could stop transferening toons, save the 9.99 and just pl a toon up for pvp.

All this new pvp did, was change the fotm builds it would have made more sense just to add the possitive things to the new system, instead of force feeding us a whole new one thats far worst than the other one. Their is no reason a squishie should have 48% resist to all that is no longer squishie, more tank magish to me. And it turned pvp into city of hiber/phase it's a sad state when you look around and like 4 or more ppl are in their hiber around you. I saw that today for the first time and thought of how it is now. You can't even really solo a competent squishie unless your a heavy damage range toon. Now they just kite all the way back to the base until hiber is up.

I chased this dom today, from the 1st hero bridge all the way back to the vill base, it was so bad i was trying to supress kill him, but i was suppressed too so it wouldnt work lol.

I didn't read everything in this thread but I can say with 100% certainty that RV spiked massively on Justice during the time I was away (just before i12 hit to about 2 weeks ago). I used to be forced to farm bad stalkers in sirens but now I get to farm bad (insert class name here) in RV.

Warhamster: champion of the bad PvPer.

I'm SOOOO proud of you and your ability to use an X-Box controller to play a video game. That's truly a stunning feat!!

I've been zone pvp'ing while watching tv, listening to music, and monitoring/managing my fantasy teams for years. I don't know that the fact you can do those things now is proof that pvp has been dumbed down.

It's funny hearing people claim that pvp is both dumbed down and harder for new players to grasp.

Listening to some folks, you really could be led to believe that zone pvp in the old days really was rocket science. In order to succeed back then, you needed to devote yourself to strategy and planning. There was no button pushing at all and nobody ever used phase shift or hibernate.

Also, the pvp section of these boards has sunk to an all time low and it makes me a sad panda.

I was about to say, I've been pvping and watching tv at the same time since I startred pvping about 2 years ago. Doesnt really prove anything. And getting rep is easier then ever now with the 5 minute rule.

Sure pvp is a bit easier (and less fun), but the people that suck still suck and people with "skill" still tear them apart.

Multimedia Genius Submission

This is a long post, so I didn't want to quote the whole thing, but throw some questions out there. Would not mind hearing anyone's opinions on them.

It certainly was a major complaint that it was too easy to run away from combat in zones. Some toons did not have access to a lot of -movement powers outside of temps, and it was easy to build for maximum escape. Probably something had to be done, but do we need both the mez changes AND all this travel suppression?

With the mez changes, I think every AT has access to some kind of mez - immob, stun, hold, whatever. With Epics, I think everyone even has access to a ranged mez. With that, everyone has a way to slow a runner down. As long as they do not get too far away, you have at least one tool to force the other player to re-engage.

Except, using those mezzes suppresses you. IIRC, the suppression times for attacking are still longer than the suppression times for being attacked. So, even if you slow them down, chances are you can't follow up before they get full movement back.

There was a very good idea posted in I13 closed that would have eliminated all travel suppression except when you are the target of a melee attack. Castle even mentioned that this system or something close to it would be implemented. *cough*

Removal of attacking suppression would have allowed people to keep up the pressure and force continued engagement. If the target started to run, you could mez them to slow them down. If they were in the mez suppression period, you could still pursue because you were not suppressed for attacking. If you were melee, or someone melee hit them, this would also slow them down. Melee solo would have an easier time, and melee on teams could initiate spikes and further use taunt to disrput attackers.

What was lost in the whole "too easy to run" debate was the fact that attackers were suppressed longer than the target. In my experiences, this meant you got one attack to try to do something before the target ran. If the target had mez protection or TP protection, it was pretty hard to stop them in that one attack. The fix to this was to add all sorts of new suppression - or say that the target being able to move was the problem. I think that is wrong. I think the attacker not being able to move was the problem.

There are many who argued that these changes were too much, too soon. And I have to agree. If this were done incrementally, you could have implemented, say, the mez changes without additional suppression. See if that helps. If not, make melee attacks cause suppression. Does that help? And so on and so on. When everything has to make it into one issue, you get what we had - so many new game mechanics at once that there is no chance for fine tuning or no way to separate what worked from what did not. And really, if you know that you will not be able to do much for several issues after a major change like this, the best decision is probably not to do anything at all. More proliferation or additional changes to the AE critter powers would have been time better-spent. Those would not be worked on then dropped.

Are more toons PVP viable now? Probably. If they take phase or Hibernoob. Minus those oh **** powers? Yeah, not so much.

Infinity's Siren's Call and Warburg have had a 99% reduction in action I would say. RV is hopping a few times a week, nothing major. Kickball occasionally too.

As far as all the decay goes, I want damage decay to match heal decay. Don't kill me in 7-10 attacks sorry, you lose 90% damage capabilities.