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I guess States is as alone as it's possible to be in many respects - and it must be painful to continually lose friends as they age and die around you. I guess the obvious choice is, dont' make friends

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I like to call it 'Stage Two: Hiding.'
Stage One is Denial, where you carry on going as if nothing was different.
Stage Three is Acceptance, where you suddenly realise what you're also missing by not having friends and loved ones.

Some never make it to Stage Three.

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He's immortal - he's got plenty of time on his hands to get there

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He's immortal - he's got plenty of time on his hands to get there

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No, he's ageless. He can be killed.

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He's immortal - he's got plenty of time on his hands to get there

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No, he's ageless. He can be killed.

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I know - he's immortal, not invulnerable

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He's immortal - he's got plenty of time on his hands to get there

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No, he's ageless. He can be killed.

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I know - he's immortal, not invulnerable

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No, Khoraks right there. Agless, not Immortal. Being Immortal means ya cant die. Ergo, not invulnerable means not immortal, in this context

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He's immortal - he's got plenty of time on his hands to get there

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No, he's ageless. He can be killed.

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I know - he's immortal, not invulnerable

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No, Khoraks right there. Agless, not Immortal. Being Immortal means ya cant die. Ergo, not invulnerable means not immortal, in this context

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Immortal doesn't mean you're not able to be killed - it just means you don't have a limited lifespan.

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@Golden Girl

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I think i have to side with Golden Girl on this one.

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Immortal is not to be mortal. Not subject to the same rules as humans, it usually means to be ageless and nearly unkillable by most normal means. Examples are the gods antiquity, like the Norse pantheon or the Olympians, very hard to kill but there are plenty of stories of them dying, usually in some epic fashion.

Some superheroes fit that bill just fine, Hercules and Thor from Marvel obviously, but also Superman and Statesman to a degree, definitely Statesman and Recluse more so then supes since they seem to be trully ageless while Supes just ages very very slowly.

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im⋅mor⋅tal   /ɪˈmɔrtl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [i-mawr-tl] Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective 1. not mortal; not liable or subject to death; undying: our immortal souls.
2. remembered or celebrated through all time: the immortal words of Lincoln.
3. not liable to perish or decay; imperishable; everlasting.
4. perpetual; lasting; constant: an immortal enemy.
5. of or pertaining to immortal beings or immortality.
6. (of a laboratory-cultured cell line) capable of dividing indefinitely.


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Both are kinda right


Personally, i'm just immoral!

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Dictionary definition relates to not being subject to death. Whether that means through the ageing process or any other means isn't touched on in my copy.

Comic universes have always been subject to a bit of poetic license, anyway, so take it to mean what you want it to mean.

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I *believe* that

"mort" comes from the latin, where mort means death, dead, or dying.

Mort'al then meaning to have death.

Im'mort'al meaning to preclude the possibility of having death.

So, if you're immortal, strictly speaking you cannot die by any means I guess.

I could be wrong though, languages never whir mi strongist poynt!

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im⋅mor⋅tal   /ɪˈmɔrtl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [i-mawr-tl] Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective 1. not mortal; not liable or subject to death; undying: our immortal souls.
2. remembered or celebrated through all time: the immortal words of Lincoln.
3. not liable to perish or decay; imperishable; everlasting.
4. perpetual; lasting; constant: an immortal enemy.
5. of or pertaining to immortal beings or immortality.
6. (of a laboratory-cultured cell line) capable of dividing indefinitely.


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Both are kinda right


Personally, i'm just immoral!

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I've always thought of you as amoral instead, but I can see the pros and cons of both

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Personally, i'm just immoral!

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Now that's just not true Neko, you're a very Moral person, the problem is that they're not the same as everyone else's morals.

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So, if you're immortal, strictly speaking you cannot die by any means I guess.

I could be wrong though, languages never whir mi strongist poynt!

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Highlander was called an immortal, yet he could be killed by chopping off his head.

Baldr is called an immortal, yet he gets killed just before Ragnarok starts by getting hit by a piece of mistletoe of all things.

The titans where immortal yet a score of them where killed by Zeus and his kin in pre Olympian myths.

Sides, we're nitpicking a word can have multiple meanings, I just think that generally speaking, immortals have been known to kick the bucket, albeit very difficultly.

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Highlander was called an immortal, yet he could be killed by chopping off his head.

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What actually happens to the immortals is unknown, in every single respect. Their origin, nature and eventual goal is unknown even to them.
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Baldr is called an immortal, yet he gets killed just before Ragnarok starts by getting hit by a piece of mistletoe of all things.


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You've picked the worst possible example considering he was only 'dead' as a catalyst for Ragnarok, and even then he could have been released at any time by Hel who was willing to do it if everything in existence weeped for him (obviously Loki didn't). Hel as a realm isn't even destroyed by Ragnarok, since Baldr and his wife are the only ones allowed to walk out of it into the new realm left after the destruction and restoration of the world, so the Gods are still all kicking around in Hel but unable to leave. Like pretty much all religions, Norse mythology follows the precept of the immortal soul, no-one at all dies, it's just a relocation of dimensions with death essentially being nothing more than an irritating lack of credentials to access certain realms without permission. If you were truly gone it wouldn't be possible to come back, but you can simply by being allowed to walk straight out of Hel.

In short, not only is everyone inviolably immortal in Norse mythology, but Baldr takes it to the new level of being one of the very few allowed back into the new world after the end of the world!

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The titans where immortal yet a score of them where killed by Zeus and his kin in pre Olympian myths.

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All the Titans were not killed, they were banished to Tartarus, some had their mortal bodies destroyed but that's not really an impediment since you'll walk out exactly the same if anyone were ever stupid enough to break you out of Tartarus. Things go in and out of Greek 'death' so often it might as well have a revolving door. It's the same deal, it's just a system of various mystical realms you get shuffled into when your meat shell gets splattered, and the line between being dead and living is a matter of having the permission from the local authorities to walk back out.

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I just think that generally speaking, immortals have been known to kick the bucket, albeit very difficultly.

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Which makes them not immortal. The very definition of mortal includes 'liable or subject to death'. Mythology, built as it is by humans predictably scared silly of death, effectively makes everyone completely immortal to remove the terror of dying (by making you never actually die) and get you to act in the preferred manner by variably punishing or rewarding the actual immortal part of you in various new realms of existence. Who and what they are always survives, always goes somewhere, always continues on indestructibly, and only stay 'dead' because some sort of powerful being won't let them back out. They might as well have gone to France and been put in prison.

In fact the only time I've ever seen anyone have the balls to completely remove all doubt and literally destroy a usually immortal soul was poor Fred in Angel. Which was harsh, a shocking plot twist designed to remove the slight comfort that comes from our mythologically constructed perceptions of personal immortality and knowing our heroes aren't actually the dead kind of dead. They're just religiously dead. Which isn't.

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They might as well have gone to France and been put in prison.


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A fate far worse than death to any English immortals - and not because of the prison aspect.

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They might as well have gone to France and been put in prison.


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A fate far worse than death to any English immortals - and not because of the prison aspect.

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I should probably have pointed out that the idea of the immortal soul also technically applies to Statesman as well and makes the whole thing hypocritical in refusing his application to be immortal. But sod it, either way he's exactly the same as everyone else and his only such claim is agelessness rather than a bona fide immortality different from the rest of us. Hit him hard enough and he's the same kind of 'dead' anyone else is.

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since Baldr and his wife are the only ones allowed to walk out of it into the new realm left after the destruction and restoration of the world

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As well as his blind brother, and Thor's children

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