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Joking aside, pvp in many other mmorpgs has no real movement to it I can see.
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Actually, given that facing is unimportant in CoX, movement is actually somewhat less of a factor than in some (many) other games. In WoW, for example, learning to run around someone, keeping their back to you, while still facing them gives you some considerable advantage.
The combat mechanics of CoX are actually very simplistic, and the bunny hopping is generally just a frustration for those trying to hit someone like that. Especially if they, in turn, can hit you no matter what you do since they have ranged attacks.
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I was pointing out ( as someone had briefly mentioned earlier ) that the epics allow for much better ranged attacks than anything spines has inherently.
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Considering recharge times, I think that's wrong, but it's a matter of opinion.
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GIVE BLASTERS BACK THE UNRESISTABLE DAMAGE PORTION
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This would make Shen happy (and a lot of other people)
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Signed! 
Thelonious Monk
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How do YOU bring down a superspeeding, bunnyhopping blaster or defender as a meeletoon ?
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The travel powers in CoX make it even worse, bunnyhopping, flying, superspeeding, superjumping even widens the gap between meele vs ranged.
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i12 PvP - Hunter, in the wild, trying to get that elusive kill...a challenge and rewarding if successful.
i13 PvP - Hunter, in a zoo...pick a cage, any cage.
The fast paced action is what sets (or rather used to) CoX apart from all other MMO PvP. And its that which makes it a challenge. I play a scrapper in pvp, and its so rewarding getting a kill due to these difficulties.
But if you don't like a challenge, then maybe Solitaire is a better game for you. Lucky christmas is coming, santa might bring you a copy.
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/sr in pvp is now GOOD. Isnt /sr a melee set?
case closed
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Many meele toon players agree with me btw....
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I play every AT and haver more than one toon of most ATs and I do not agree with you. Sorry, but I trust my own judgement more than any anonymous number of melee toon players.
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How do YOU bring down a superspeeding, bunnyhopping blaster or defender as a meeletoon ?
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Depends on which melee toon I am playing at that time. But stupidly running after them with waving arms or begging them to come closer are not part of my repertoire with any toon.
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How do YOU stop them from attacking you while they stay out of your attacks range ?
[/ QUOTE ]Use line of sight, stun them, immobilise them, -fly them, taunt them, kill them, make sure the battle starts when they are not out of melee range... just to name a few possibilities.
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Tell me why there is a need to give ranged toons higher resists than meele toons ?
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What kind of melee toon are you talking about? A /thorns dominator?
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You DO know ranged toons or healers are squishy in EVERY mmorpg on the market for a reason.
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Yes. The reason is to make squishy players whine on the forum about how easy they are to kill.
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They trade their ability to deal massive damg from safe range for their squishiness.
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Since some ranged toons' damage is not all that massive when compared to melee damage dealers the tradeoff has to be smaller than in some other MMORPGs.
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Meele trade their better survivability like higher defenses and higher HP for the fact, that they need to REACH their victims in order to do anything.
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Which should not be all that hard unless you lack travelpowers and/or skill.
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In 13 ranged toons loose their weakness while meele toons weakness is still the same.
[/ QUOTE ]I would really like to see this dominator with tanker hp and resistances you keep talking about. Maybe I will even roll another new toon, just so that I can have one, too.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
I think that the whole pvp camp is divided into two (rough) sections.
Those who believe that things such as movement, speccing out a build and the "rock, paper scissors" of I12 pvp is best.
And then there are those that think diminishing returns, movement suppression and *I13 balancing* are best.
I have an answer as to how to decide this ..
A BIG GROUP PVP ARENA BATTLE!!! 
Winners get to decide how pvp works from now on 
Fahie
This will never work. The I12 crowd will never accept a defeat under I13 rules. 
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
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This will never work. The I12 crowd will never accept a defeat under I13 rules.
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Which will of course prove that I12 rules were better
Fahie
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This would probably lead on to more arguments and endless debates from both sides, as well as comments from those who think they know what they are talking about when it comes to pvp when infact they don't pvp at all (or ever have pvp'ed).
The phrase "vicious circle" springs to mind.
But I'd be well up for that, just so that I can get some pvp action.
Silly question, but Union or Defiant if you are serious about going ahead with this plan, Fahie?
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Silly question, but Union or Defiant if you are serious about going ahead with this plan, Fahie?
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Well, I wasn't being serious but I'm on union if anyone feels that this may be plannage.
Just need to level up a stalker with sharks now
Fahie
If anything happens I might turn up.
/respec LOLSHARKS
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Winners get to decide how pvp works from now on
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I'll fight in this. In fact make it just me vs all. True evidence that skill > everything else.
Me and DJ are in the process of sorting out a team arena league so this will happen soon
It's just hard to get a hold of each other. I might post something today but it will only be preliminary stuff.
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A BIG GROUP PVP ARENA BATTLE!!!
Winners get to decide how pvp works from now on
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I'll fight in this. In fact make it just me vs all. True evidence that skill > everything else.
Me and DJ are in the process of sorting out a team arena league so this will happen soon
It's just hard to get a hold of each other. I might post something today but it will only be preliminary stuff.
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Pity it's arena and not zonal 
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A BIG GROUP PVP ARENA BATTLE!!!
Winners get to decide how pvp works from now on
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I'll fight in this. In fact make it just me vs all. True evidence that skill > everything else.
Me and DJ are in the process of sorting out a team arena league so this will happen soon
It's just hard to get a hold of each other. I might post something today but it will only be preliminary stuff.
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Pity it's arena and not zonal
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What's the difference really?
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CoV PvP VG = Disruption - Co-Leader - Union/Freedom
Global = @Rent & @Rent.
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Pity it's arena and not zonal
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Zones are broken, aren't they. They have the arena mechanics, but none of the zone improvements up, right?
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Pity it's arena and not zonal
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Zones are broken, aren't they. They have the arena mechanics, but none of the zone improvements up, right?
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Not a scooby doo, but I'd still like something zonal to be planned (even with i13's changes)
PvP fails in MMO's because Tank classes have no true role and become ignored players.
Fix the Tank and PvP can grow from there imho.
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PvP fails in MMO's because Tank classes have no true role and become ignored players.
Fix the Tank and PvP can grow from there imho.
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ice-energy/ss ??
One of the top tier pvp toons.
Agreed however that not many other tanks are that useful in pvp except for well co-ordinated team pvp.
Fahie
tanks and stalkers blast harder than blasters
I was going on pre-i13, but yes .. tanks are so not useless in I13.
Fahie
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PvP fails in MMO's because Tank classes have no true role and become ignored players.
Fix the Tank and PvP can grow from there imho.
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L M A O
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PvP fails in MMO's because Tank classes have no true role and become ignored players.
Fix the Tank and PvP can grow from there imho.
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L M A O
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^ This.
Are you insane? Have you ever faced a tank in zonal PvP? Do you know how annoying they are when they taunt you? You can't do f all to the squishy you are trying to pound.
And I'd like to see you say that to a Fire/SS(or EM) tbh.
"Ignored"...Hah! What a load of pants...
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PvP fails in MMO's because Tank classes have no true role and become ignored players.
Fix the Tank and PvP can grow from there imho.
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In MMOs? Including War? Seriously?
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They were appropriately appalled
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They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
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Try to PvP in GV with your tanks and not your trollers, blasters, defenders or spine scrappers and come here to tell it was fun Fahine :-)
Sure other games dont have the kind of movement CoX has, but thats the reason why they are much more balanced PvP wise.
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You smell
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Tbh anyone who thinks melee toons suck when fighting ranged toons (and i really mean this) ask for a duel with Shotta's BS/Fire scrapper (Akala) or his Fire/SS tank (BlazinShotta)
I 100% guarantee you will lose no matter what ranged toon you want to put against him. He'll have no trouble getting in range for any of his attacks.
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