I13 Prestige Refund? Scrap and rebuild your base!
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Posted on: 2008-10-16 10:18 in Base Construction
Hmmm - a relatively minor job for my teeny little personal base, a potentially huge job for big bases a lot of design effort's gone into.
Overall impression: Sucks like a hoover.
It can't be that hard to run a script over the base-related tables in the course of the I13 update to refund the price difference for installed items, and overall it'd be much less work for one dev to write the script compared to thousands of base managers having to get their hands dirty.
Plus this isn't remotely a "fun" activity for either side, and they're the ones that get paid to not have fun.
Not at all impressed by this one. 
Oh I dunno... If you buy a TV in Dixons one week, and a week later it's £50 less, do you expect a refund? I think we should count ourselves lucky there's ANY kind of refund!
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Oh I dunno... If you buy a TV in Dixons one week, and a week later it's £50 less, do you expect a refund? I think we should count ourselves lucky there's ANY kind of refund!
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What on earth has that got in common with having to waste hours stripping and rebuilding a base.
I think thats another ill thought out base change, thats 2 out of 2 bad base ideas so far.
Edit, in fact the more i think about that stupid idea, the worse it is, refund aside, theres all the salvage that needs to be re crafted to remake the items too.
The financial realities of hardware available from commercial suppliers aren't really that similar to virtual furniture inside a game; I don't see why expectations for one should have any bearing on the other.
And "luck" doesn't come into it; the devs have decided to reprice things, and to make the savings applicable to existing bases and items. The downside is that they've decided to make a bare minimum of effort for the implementation of the savings, and get the players to do most of the work.
Something they're at liberty to do, but at the same time we're also at liberty to think the implementation sucks (and say so!).
oh well.. I will not bother with it anyway. The Court has over 13 million unused prestige.
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Oh I dunno... If you buy a TV in Dixons one week, and a week later it's £50 less, do you expect a refund? I think we should count ourselves lucky there's ANY kind of refund!
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Yes, the two things are totally and utterly the same.
Thank you developers for implementing half-baked changes and not providing the tools to make the transition to the new changes quick and easy.
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Oh I dunno... If you buy a TV in Dixons one week, and a week later it's £50 less, do you expect a refund? I think we should count ourselves lucky there's ANY kind of refund!
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Yes. I got a £90 refund from John Lewis 27 days after I bought my last tv because the price dropped in the Sony shop down the road 
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Back on topic: The most unweildy thing about this, along with the fact you won't be reimbursed with the salvage for crafting things, is what are you supposed to do with all the contents of your base bins while you tear everything down and rebuild it. If they've changed the cost of the plots it could be substantial but you'll have to go back to an 8x8 to get the refund before returning to the original size.
Sometimes I'm not sure anyone on the dev team stops to think through the consequences of their ideas 
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oh well.. I will not bother with it anyway. The Court has over 13 million unused prestige.
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A lot of small sg/vg's (the ones that would benefit most from this) wont be able to just do that though.
So they then have hours and hours of un interesting rubbish to go through.
This aint helping super group bases, its hindering them for no good reason.
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back to topic, i dont like to delete my base and rebuild it too
i hope really for a better solution...
I have been reading this thread with interest,what puzzles me is why would you want to rip your base apart just to rebuild it because the prices have gone down,ok so you can increase the amount of prestige you have but is it worth it for the amount of work you are going to have to put in to rebuild,and what do you do with all the stuff you already have stored.I will be leaving my base alone and just be glad that I do not have to pay so much for anything else I might build. 
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I have been reading this thread with interest,what puzzles me is why would you want to rip your base apart just to rebuild it because the prices have gone down
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I think you've sort of missed the point - the absolute last thing anyone wants to do is rip their base apart.
The issue is that at the moment the devs are saying we can get prestige "refunds" on existing base items - to reflect the lowered prices for new ones of the same type - and that's good. But to get the refunds we'd have to sell and rebuy everything, and we don't want to do that as it's very not good.
As the devs could grant the refund anyway, with - I'm pretty sure - relatively modest work on their part and no need for us to edit bases at all, there's some annoyance that they aren't doing this.
i am pleased to here that they have atleast taken this into acount even if they have dun the bare minimum to refund us
as it stands darklords have a pritty big extensive base and im not looking forword to the idea of having to tear it down and scream and ball at the editer to get it all right again, this is all anoying but i can live with it.
what concerns me is along with this reprice there will be alot of people taking advantage of it with one tiny issue the change to how salvage works. apart from being told that they will be doing away with base salvage we havent been given any other firm details on how this will all work and for those groups that do need the prestige boost it is potentialy going to cost them a decent amount of salvage and components to rebuild so i think this is whats needing looked at alot more instead or atleast give us the details of how exactly they are planing to remove the old base salvage and how exactly it is going to be replaced
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Our SG has a huge base, a few months ago, after i12 broke the maze, I spent a couple of weeks totally rebuilding it.
If the base editor was half decent I'd be almost tempted to reclaim some prestige but unless the devs give them some serious thought it'll stay the way it is.
Or you could, I dunno, just forget about it and be happy that from now on everything will cost sod all. Doesn't require any effort at all.
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I have been reading this thread with interest,what puzzles me is why would you want to rip your base apart just to rebuild it because the prices have gone down,ok so you can increase the amount of prestige you have but is it worth it for the amount of work you are going to have to put in to rebuild,and what do you do with all the stuff you already have stored.I will be leaving my base alone and just be glad that I do not have to pay so much for anything else I might build.
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Depends if you are interested in expanding and improving your base for your super group or not, but thats not really the point.
The point is why make the players jump through hoops (very very very boring, frustrating hoops) just to take advantage of this so called base improvement?
This is not an improvement for bases its an epic fail for bases, just like converting from base salvage to invention salvage is going to be, unless they alter access permissions.
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As the devs could grant the refund anyway, with - I'm pretty sure - relatively modest work on their part and no need for us to edit bases at all, there's some annoyance that they aren't doing this.
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Im sure i remember a refund of prestige being given a fair while ago, i cant remember what it was for now.
But it does show that refunds dont need to be like this.
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Or you could, I dunno, just forget about it and be happy that from now on everything will cost sod all. Doesn't require any effort at all.
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Neither does sitting back and letting devs do the work instead. Slackerdom FTW!
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As the devs could grant the refund anyway, with - I'm pretty sure - relatively modest work on their part and no need for us to edit bases at all, there's some annoyance that they aren't doing this.
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Im sure i remember a refund of prestige being given a fair while ago, i cant remember what it was for now.
But it does show that refunds dont need to be like this.
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IIRC that was either the "Merging Heroes/Villans" or "NCSoft bought the game" celebration bonus; a flat amount per SG member. Which they finished up giving twice due to a server update mishap.
That would have been simpler to implement, as the amount credited was just "20k per member", but the same basic technique would apply for a price reduction refund and as you say, if they could do it then...
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As the devs could grant the refund anyway, with - I'm pretty sure - relatively modest work on their part and no need for us to edit bases at all, there's some annoyance that they aren't doing this.
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Im sure i remember a refund of prestige being given a fair while ago, i cant remember what it was for now.
But it does show that refunds dont need to be like this.
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IIRC that was either the "Merging Heroes/Villans" or "NCSoft bought the game" celebration bonus; a flat amount per SG member. Which they finished up giving twice due to a server update mishap.
That would have been simpler to implement, as the amount credited was just "20k per member", but the same basic technique would apply for a price reduction refund and as you say, if they could do it then...
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I remember that one, but im also sure there was another, i got a feeling it could have been when the basic plot size became free, but im not sure.
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That would have been simpler to implement, as the amount credited was just "20k per member", but the same basic technique would apply for a price reduction refund and as you say, if they could do it then...
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I remember that one, but im also sure there was another, i got a feeling it could have been when the basic plot size became free, but im not sure.
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Ah, could be - don't think I was doing anything at all base-related that far back, so it could easily have sailed on past me unnoticed.
Am hoping the prices savings (which I'll probably pick up even if I have to edit, given my base's simplicity) are significant - at present I'm a few 100k away from being able to get an Oracle, and it'd be a nice prezzy if they handed me that much.
If it made plot size increases practically affordable for a solo base like mine that'd be even nicer!
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If it made plot size increases practically affordable for a solo base like mine that'd be even nicer!
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Its not the actual cost of the plot upgrade thats the main hurdle (well its still a hurdle) its the rent that wants keeping an eye on.
Oh to be able to have problems like that - I've never been able to afford a plot size increase (IIRC the smallest is about 1.5 mill, which is more than levelling a toon all the way to 50 in SG mode earns), so I've never had the chance to have rent problems either.
Still, I think they said they were bringing rents as well as plot costs down, so one can hope...
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Our SG has a huge base, a few months ago, after i12 broke the maze, I spent a couple of weeks totally rebuilding it.
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Know the feeling. We have a huge base too (and that a base can hold infinite amount of items is not advisable to try ) last halloween we tried to upgrade our base (again) and our Architect made some pretty nifty rooms. The entire base (we have also dubbed it "The Maze") went poof 5 times.
Oh well guess our architects wont mind that refund thing and let the base stand.
Our wish though is more choice of items we can place. So unless the Devs gives us more items I doubt "the maze" will get a revamp due to the refund.
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Hello Base Builders!
As you may be aware, there are re-pricing changes for base items coming in Issue 13. I've had a couple of inquiries asking about how that will be handled regarding existing bases.
As I understand it, you will be able to sell back stuff you've alredy bought for the price paid originally. Then, you can buy new stuff (functionally identical) at the new price.
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So rather than getting the devs to script a refund we have to tear down our bases and rebuild them?????