Incarnates available in I13 or I14? (Spoilers)
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Blue Rabbit,
Posted on: 2008-08-22 14:48 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Interesting, I wonder if the Dev's have all this planned out or are taking notes.
They have it planned out.
I really should do something about this signature.
Oh, an I thought you where refering to this, rather more recient, message from Positron.
I really should do something about this signature.
I would look closely at the clue from mission one of Darrin Wades arc that mentions a 6th more "heavenly" origin 
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Oh, an I thought you where refering to this, rather more recient, message from Positron.
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Based on that message, I think we'll have a very grumpy FFM when he gets back from his vacation.
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Message from Positron
Blueprints are ready
The Architect has been paid
Reveal's on Tuesday
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Just incase anyone cba to read the link 
@Jay Leon Hart
Kerensky: this has nothing to do with underwear
Zwillinger: I put on my robe and wizard hat...
Synapse: I had to resist starting my last post off with "Yo dawg!"
Frankly, I think Pos has been watching the Matrix Reloaded again...
Wake up, Neo.
Is it time for the dance of joy yet?
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Frankly, I think Pos has been watching the Matrix Reloaded again...
Wake up, Neo.
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Okay then, I'm feeling inspired today:
The Architect - Hello, Positron.
Posi - Who are you?
The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the shards. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.
Posi - What's going to happen in Issue 13?
The Architect - Issue 13 is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the shards. It is the eventuality of ED, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.
Posi - What the hell?.
The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.
Multi-Posi's: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"*
The Architect - The shards are older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 13th version.
Multi-Posi's: "13 versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bull****."*
Posi: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.
The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic powerset equations.
Multi-Posi's: "You can't control me! **** you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!*
Posi - Choice. The problem is giving everyone the choice of what they want.
The Architect - The first Issue I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure - you people are never happy and kept asking for buffs, nerfs and flappy capes. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your wishes to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive jackalope, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the shards, it would undoubtedly be its ED inspiring ancestor.
Posi - Emmert.
The Architect - Please. As I was saying, he stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a shiny new badge, powerset or costume, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
Posi - This is about PvP?
The Architect - You are here because PvE is about to be nerfed. Its every living inhabitant weakened, its entire existence dictated to by a vocal minority.
Posi - Bull****.
Multi-Posi's: "Bull****!"*
The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the 9th time we have nerfed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
The Architect - The function of the Positron is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the shards 100 individuals, 25 noobs, 50 PvP'ers and 25 badgehunters, to beta test. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the shards, which coupled with the nerfing in Issue 13 will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.
Posi - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need Incarnates active to survive.
The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the nerfing of every superhero in this world.
*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the shards appear on the monitors*
The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your 13 predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.
*Images of Synapse, fighting a bunch of Vazhilok*
Posi - Synapse.
The Architect - Apropos, he logged in to save your life at the cost of his own.
Posi - No!
The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the removal of ED. The door to the left leads back to the shards, to him, and to the end of your game. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: he is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.
*Posi walks to the door on his left*
The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.
Posi - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again, because I'm going to rebuild this world into something great and make you the prime target in the biggest TF the world has ever seen.
The Architect - Gulp.
"Idealism is such a wonderful thing. All you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use." - Kerr Avon
Myopic Aardvark on Twitter
^ Gold...
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Blueprints are ready
The Architect has been paid
Reveal's on Tuesday
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Just incase anyone cba to read the link
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So... base loving then?
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That would be my interpretation.
I really should do something about this signature.
I sense a chainmail coming on
@Jay Leon Hart
Kerensky: this has nothing to do with underwear
Zwillinger: I put on my robe and wizard hat...
Synapse: I had to resist starting my last post off with "Yo dawg!"
Base Loving with Mission Creator coming at a close second guess.
Lol Ardvark, that's a work of genius, full gratz and a shiny "I went to the source and all I got was a Migrane" badge.
As for the clue I'd say it points to the base loving, I guess we'll find out on Tuesday.
Interesting points from the OP, I like the idea of convergence creating a 6th AT, the devs have a wealth of lore that they've not even shown us yet so I daren't imagine what's coming. Speculation is great fun though and a new AT would be very interesting
I don't wanna save my soul now,
I just wanna lose control,
And even if it takes a lifetime, to learn:
I'll learn!
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That made more sense than the original
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Not really that difficult though
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Lol Ardvark, that's a work of genius, full gratz and a shiny "I went to the source and all I got was a Migrane" badge.
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Thank you
I'd predict it's more to do with the Mission Creator. I feel that would have a bigger impact than a revised Base Creator... although, who's to say that the two things won't be intertwined?
"Idealism is such a wonderful thing. All you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use." - Kerr Avon
Myopic Aardvark on Twitter
Holy Matrixiness Myopic!
Did you just happen to have that lot memorised? Or were you watching the film when this came up?!
Awesome stuff and more than a few funny looks at work to thank for it.
love this thread.
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Holy Matrixiness Myopic!
Did you just happen to have that lot memorised? Or were you watching the film when this came up?!
Awesome stuff and more than a few funny looks at work to thank for it.
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Principally, there is an inherent action performed which, when interacted upon and incorporated into the position of functionality, implies replication and elucidation of the matter, to the standard of idealism of which there is never any doubt, disbelief or inaction.
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"Idealism is such a wonderful thing. All you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use." - Kerr Avon
Myopic Aardvark on Twitter
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....0&fpart=all
posted by starphoenix
I was reading the clues for Ashley Mcknight and Positron as a Tech Origin in Percy's Origin of Power Story Arc and it revealed something very interesting.
Here is Ashley Mcknight's clue when you are asked to Talk to Imperious:
"Cimerora is an ancient land in the Mediterranean. Many believe it is the birthplace of the super powered being. Ashley McKnight notes that this is not altogether accurate. Cimerora is, however, one of the more famous locations in history where various origins of power came together in a similar way that is happening in our current timeline.
McKNight also notes that Imperious, the man you're supposed to contact, comes from an origin that has been completely absent for some time. That of the Incarnate."
Now onto Positron's Clue:
"However, you and I both know that there's a moment when you're tied into technology where you feel that connection to something huge -- something bigger than your own ability. I have some theories on this if you'd like to hear them.
Are you familiar with the work Dr. Brainstorm's been doing on regards to Power Proliferation? Well, Paragon City has tried to keep things under wraps as much as possible, but it's going to be pretty difficult to do.
What he's done is broken down barriers, allowing heroes and villains to have a access to a wider range of powers. Now, the ramifications of this are frightening to say the least. But it does reveal some of the underlying tapestry that binds all of us together. I believe that all of our powers and abilities are connected in a sort of web... that might be the wrong word - let's say a net.
This net reaches across to the mutants, the magicians, those that have been altered to become something more than human and even to people like Manticore that aren't directly connected to it. I once thought that the natural and technological heroes were somehow separate from the world of powers, but now, because of Dr. Brainstorm's work, I'm starting to think otherwise. If we were separate we would not have been affected by his Power Proliferation experiments. But I've heard that even natural and technology heroes are starting to see the effects."
So we have the Incarnate origin as the origin that ruled over all others and Power Proliferation causing the barriers between all the origins to break down. This leads me to believe that Incarnate was the first origin and for some reason the other origins were created as a result of some event and Incarnate ceased to exist. Power Proliferation causes the origins to somehow unify back into the Incarnate origin in some people resulting in the sixth origin, Incarnate.
Intresting debat going on on the american forum