Team vote to move team leader star

Recently, while on a TF one of the players (Who really shall remain un-named) went off, had something to eat and then got "Distracted" while we were all in a mission taking down the Rikti Riders of the apocalypse (LGTF)

During this, time our team leader had an unfortunate power outage and the team leader star transferred to the next player, our absent, and very "Distracted" friend who was AFK. As a result we had to abandon the TF as we couldn't get the team leader shifted to another player.

So, here's the suggestion. Allow the team to vote to have the system auto-pass the star to the next player in line from the current one. It would require a majority vote between all team players who are not current team leader. I would suggest that when a player right clicks on the team leader and in the context menu is given a "Vote out" option. This pops up a dialog on the other team members asking whether they want to vote for a team leader move (yes/no)
The current team leader would get a timed dialog box where they can accept/reject the team's vote. If the current team leader is away, the box times out and automatically accepts the teams decision to take the leadership from the current leader.

This would at least allow a team to deal with an AFK team leader in a fair way. Especially as the normal timeouts don't appear to work when you're in a TF. The other alternatives are:

1. Allow the game to time out in a TF. We waited at least 15 minutes.

2. Allow GM's to move a team leader star with enough petitions (Probably unpopular and very open for abuse)

Of course, it won't work if the majority of the team is AFK at the time, but if thats happened then the team probably isn't doing much anyway. This is more for TF teams where you cannot continue on to the next mission without your entire team active.

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Union: @Ban-Sidhe

i agree wit you on this one as there have been many times when ive been on a TF team and the leader has gone AFK n we couldnt do it

i think this should be a TF only thing though as if ur on a normal team wot u have took the time to get together n some one wants to vote u from being leader n every one agrees then u pretty much wasted the time n effet if u know how i mean

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I never experienced this and I can imagine how frustrated you must have been. It sure would be a good method to solve this problem. It also could be used to harash people with.

But to me the main question is: How often does a thing like this happen? Often enough to warrant the valuable time of the dvelopers to change it? Considering as well the amount of frustration the involved players must have experienced.

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No, as this is too open to exploit even if it was only allowed for Task Forces.

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No, as this is too open to exploit even if it was only allowed for Task Forces.

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Not really... I mean you could use it to exploit if you spammed it or something, so I'd give it a 15 minute cooldown time.

If an entire team wants to kick it's leader, then there's something not right about him/her. I think this is a good idea.

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In my experience, it has always been that in missions a quick break - ie: door, phone, bio etc is ok in missions. Longer than that, I would wait outside the mission. and for TF's if I am gonna be afk, I pass lead to another player,ie log off, so the game flow continues. I this I see as common courtesy and game etiquette at its best.



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Maybe any player in the team could 'request' the star from the leader formally, i.e. a dialog box to the leader saying 'CharacterABC has offered to take on leadership of this team, do you accept? Yes/No' with a timer on the response where it defaults to Yes after 5 mins.

This is done between the member and their team leader, therefore cutting out the need for a team power struggle which may cause a rift.

I see a couple of issues with this, firstly a leader shouldn't have to face replying to these messages continually, therefore each member is restricted to sending these requests once every 5 or more mins. Second problem I see is as soon as a leader announces they are going afk (for a 'legitimate reason') someone may request leadership for the 'wrong' reasons. In normal teams the leader should pass the star however in TFs this might not be so easy.

Guffy

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I agree that it should be TF based only. There's no point in a single mission team, as everyone can just quit the team and reform outside.

I doubt it would be used for harassment as you typically join a TF with the end-goal in mind. If the team leader is that bad, then you can leave the TF. Maybe add the players name e.g.

<Ban-Sidhe> as elected we vote a new team leader. Do you agree? Y/N

If they keep doing it, then the team leader (Who has the option to ignore the vote off remember) can kick the harasser from the team. The majority of players play nice. So it shouldn't be a problem.

It will probably be used rarely. Let's face it, how many times have you used the /stuck command? Yet it's there, just in case you get trapped in the game geometry. So I do think its worth a little bit of Dev time. In the TF, we'd gotten half way in to the LGTF when this happened, and the rest of the team waited quite some time as none of us wanted to quit the TF. This method would have allowed us to continue, albeit we would have had no choice but to kick one member the rest could have gone on. Maybe it should get called Triage

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Union: @Ban-Sidhe

I would sign for TF only.

But then I think kicking on a TF should be vote only too.

But yeah ive had a TF leader go "AFK" for a few, and its annoying.

Heck, wudnt be half as bad if anybody could pick up the next mission on a Task Force.

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Heck, wudnt be half as bad if anybody could pick up the next mission on a Task Force.

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Id just vote for this tbh! Star is only needed in a TF to get next mission .. So this would be a much better idea!

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Or much simpler - when star gets transferred - it cannot go to an AFK player. If everyone if AFK when the leader drops then first person to return gets it.

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Or the star switches as soon as someone goes AFK. Team leader goes AFK, star moves to next non-AFK player in the team.

That's a lot neater. I like that. It also removes the voting, is fair and can't really be abused.

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Union: @Ban-Sidhe

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Or the star switches as soon as someone goes AFK. Team leader goes AFK, star moves to next non-AFK player in the team.

That's a lot neater. I like that. It also removes the voting, is fair and can't really be abused.

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good idea, but i see a flaw.

It should work fine if the lead types /afk, then it would pass on there and then, but if he doesnt you'll have to wait for the auto afk to kick in.

"what wrong with that?" i hear you say? lets imagine for a moment that the leader has a power on auto cast (like my scrapper's Practiced Brawler), he'll never go auto afk since the timer will reset when he uses a power

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hmmm ive been in this situation but for 5hrs (onn SSTF 1 as well) it happens but we stayed and completed the TF and waiting for the guy to get back from his meal with his family.

I fallen alseep on Tf with the star by accident and yes they disbaneded. there is a prob with this. but the better idea would be if a toon doesnt move for 20 mins he/she is removed from the game as in the standard afk rules. this would work a lot better even though this its self is open to abuse.

its a catch 22 situation. but kicking ppl from team shouldnt be a group descision granted the group have in put to the person who has the star, but its better for one person to be infamous than 6 or even 7.

Its a very difficult one this becoz of the damned if u do damned if u dont (catch 22) situation your in

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Actually you will go AFK with auto powers. At least all my characters who have hasten/rage/dull pain/etc on auto go auto-afk.

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Actually you will go AFK with auto powers. At least all my characters who have hasten/rage/dull pain/etc on auto go auto-afk.

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must be just my scrapper then, blatently defying the rules of auto afk!

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During this, time our team leader had an unfortunate power outage and the team leader star transferred to the next player, our absent, and very "Distracted" friend who was AFK. As a result we had to abandon the TF as we couldn't get the team leader shifted to another player.

[/ QUOTE ]To get around the AFK team leader option, I would suggest the following.

1) The AFK leader is still in the mission (after completion) and everyone else is outside. If they do not exit the mission within 5 minutes of the completion, then the star should be automatically passed to the next player in the team list.

2) AFK Leader not in mission. The leader should be subject to standard rules, if they grey out (AFK) for 5 minutes or more, then they should be automatically disconnected from the server. This would then make the team 1 player lighter, but star would pass onto next active player. The AFK player then can log back in and still be part of the original TF.

If the same person is continually AFK when logged in, then it's up to the leader (and the team) whether they kick them or not. This ultimately stops the hassle.

Some people go AFK for good reasons, but not everyone is polite enough to say it. You'd feel pretty lousy blaming someone for making the TF split up, if they couldn't do anything to prevent it. eg. An Epileptic Fit, a Heart Attack, Knocking Themselves Unconscious, Falling down the stairs etc...

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Just implement auto logout even for those on TFs. Add an auto kick timer to missions that have been completed so that even if the leader has gone AFK in a mission he will get kicked to the zone where the normal AFK time-out will work. The only way a leader could get round all that is if he/she physically rested something heavy on their keyboard, at which point it could be said that most methods of remove said leader could fail as it is more a case of griefing than just being AFK.

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