Is a Tanker a Tanker if he/she doesn't have Taunt?
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I'm workin on an Inv/EM tanker atm and have taunt, but im gonna slot it out after i hit 50 and have done all the TFs and trials simply cos i have a bad feeling that at some point ill get into a group for one of these and if i dont have taunt they would kick me:P I pretty much figure after i have done all of these i can get rid of taunt and focus more on a dueling tanker. If im wanted in groups after i get rid of taunt im sure a combination of guantlet from my attacks and invincibility taunt aura will be more than enuff to keep aggro (PS i wont have whirling hands either). Alos i think when fighting AVs which is when a tanker is needed most, u dont need taunt as guantlet will be kicking in as you will be attacking the AV and with ur taunt aura u should have the enemy constantly taunted. In a situation of large mobs, most teams can take them out without you even needing to use taunt and just by moving through the groups to get the alpha strike and initial aggro then after killing one boss after another you probably would have done a gd job of holding aggro, keeping your team alive and finishing the mission. Taunt is a useful tool, but unlike everyother game out there, it isnt necessary for a tank.
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No taunt necessary for an AV? what planet are you from m8 
gauntlet is rubbish without taunt and AV's will break from gauntlet the second a blaster opens with a barrage of attacks and his face quickly introduced the dirt but answer me this would you team with a tanker on the STF that didn't have taunt?
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lol im sorry but plz take that 'what planet are u from m8' comment back, it says far too much about your life's priorities:P hehehe its posters like you in games that sometimes make me feel depressed at playin MMOs as people then put my in the same stereotype as u:P I'm sure i put alot of 'i think' and 'in my opinion' and the such in my post, too lazy to check as i've just been busy puuting my name down on a Vanquish to check but thats what i meant
And every1 chill out, just a game:P sorry if i dont know how all the game mechanics work, i hear taunt i figure 'taunt' same as usual, if not ill realise it sooner or l8er or point it out in a better way. This is a community after all, cant we all get along?
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Ah, but I said topic, not thread
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Is a topic a topic if it doesn't have a long row about tanks and taunt in it?
over on US forums theres a thread about replacing Gauntlet with getting all tankers Taunt as a power for free, possibly throwing in another attack..
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my 2 influence would be that at leat there wouldnt be any thread like this anymore..
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Ive know tanks with 1 slot in taunt have managed to perma-aggro Lord Recluse (something I understand is impossible with gauntlet / aura alone).
I would be very interested to know if a Granite can do this (lets asume no +recharge buff) with -70% penalty and if he can, what slotting would be required on taunt.
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Perma-Granite here, that has done several STF's now, some though not succesfull.
First of all a minor note on tanking LR, we often used the pull-him-to-a-corner while the rest of the team takes the towers down. At this point basicly nobody is even near, making Recluse basicly only attack you all the time. At that point i often only attack him, to make sure i hit him and gauntlet (and mudpots) stay active.
Without +recharge i can easy say, no freaking way. Specialy when that sharkguy goes elude, the chance of keeping him aggroéd drop to around 0. I already have 2x Doctored wounds, 1x LotG recharge, making AB and then Hasten a perma set. Getting SB from kin speeds up alot. Without it, i only see 3 recharge/2acc/1taunt as best setup, even then it might be a hard case.
I have Fire epic now, the set of ranged powers are great addition to keeping gauntlet active, as (many dont know) taunt has a to-hit check versus AV's. Taunt is slotted 1acc/2recharge, as far i remember i only lost 6-7 times agro from AV's in all my STF runs (hail to PA that overtake my agro).
My ultimate goal (wich mostly is inf gaining now) is to reach the 60% recharge on setbonus, already have extra lotg ready and build/slots are ready to go.
As for Cuffzter post, do.it.today.
Although i wonder how you can work against AV's then, as they have to hit, and inherent you cannot slot at all. Outside that, will it be -recharge affectable, making it kinda less usefull for granite's.
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over on US forums theres a thread about replacing Gauntlet with getting all tankers Taunt as a power for free, possibly throwing in another attack..
Discuss
my 2 influence would be that at leat there wouldnt be any thread like this anymore..
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That would be great to be honest.
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I'm workin on an Inv/EM tanker atm and have taunt, but im gonna slot it out after i hit 50 and have done all the TFs and trials simply cos i have a bad feeling that at some point ill get into a group for one of these and if i dont have taunt they would kick me:P I pretty much figure after i have done all of these i can get rid of taunt and focus more on a dueling tanker. If im wanted in groups after i get rid of taunt im sure a combination of guantlet from my attacks and invincibility taunt aura will be more than enuff to keep aggro (PS i wont have whirling hands either). Alos i think when fighting AVs which is when a tanker is needed most, u dont need taunt as guantlet will be kicking in as you will be attacking the AV and with ur taunt aura u should have the enemy constantly taunted. In a situation of large mobs, most teams can take them out without you even needing to use taunt and just by moving through the groups to get the alpha strike and initial aggro then after killing one boss after another you probably would have done a gd job of holding aggro, keeping your team alive and finishing the mission. Taunt is a useful tool, but unlike everyother game out there, it isnt necessary for a tank.
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No taunt necessary for an AV? what planet are you from m8 gauntlet is rubbish without taunt and AV's will break from gauntlet the second a blaster opens with a barrage of attacks and his face quickly introduced the dirt but answer me this would you team with a tanker on the STF that didn't have taunt?
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lol im sorry but plz take that 'what planet are u from m8' comment back, it says far too much about your life's priorities:P hehehe its posters like you in games that sometimes make me feel depressed at playin MMOs as people then put my in the same stereotype as u:P I'm sure i put alot of 'i think' and 'in my opinion' and the such in my post, too lazy to check as i've just been busy puuting my name down on a Vanquish to check but thats what i meant And every1 chill out, just a game:P sorry if i dont know how all the game mechanics work, i hear taunt i figure 'taunt' same as usual, if not ill realise it sooner or l8er or point it out in a better way. This is a community after all, cant we all get along?
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Didn't mean to offend if i did i apologise it was meant in joking manner i never try to 'label' anyone as i hate how gamers are portrayed in the media buts that a discussion for another thread 
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I've always thought part of the problem with this debate is the misuse of the terms "Tanker" and "tank". "Tanker" is the name of the archetype, and there can be lots of different builds and combinations within that archetype eg scrankers. But "tank" is a role within a team, the role of taking aggro and damage and protecting other team members from harm.
So does a Tanker need taunt to be a "Tanker"? Obviously, no, that toon is a "Tanker" because that is its archetype.
Does a Tanker need taunt to be a "tank"? Personally I would say yes, since the role of a tank requires grabbing aggro, and the taunt auras and taunt are what get that job done most effectively. For that matter does the "tank" even need to be a "Tanker", since with support a couple of other archetypes can sit happily in the tank role, eg the dark scrapper or kheldian dwarf.
I think the devs made this debate inevitable by calling the archetype the "Tanker" in the first place, imo it would have been better to call it the Guardian or something similar. That way, players wouldn't have confused the two so much and expected every Tanker to be a tank and able to fill the tank role.
Just my opinion.
Oh and btw, I use the words tank and tanker interchangeably too when I am chatting in-game, so I am just as guilty of this as anyone else
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over on US forums theres a thread about replacing Gauntlet with getting all tankers Taunt as a power for free, possibly throwing in another attack..
Discuss
my 2 influence would be that at leat there wouldnt be any thread like this anymore..
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That would be great to be honest.
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Would be awesome, that thought had crossed my mind
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You throw in an extra attack, give taunt for nothing and then theyd require more balance changes to other AT sets.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
Thanks Synergy. It looks like Granite without +recharge isnt going to cut the mustard with LR aggro then?. Probably for the best as otherwise non-Granites wouldn't get much of a see of the TF.
You dont need acc in taunt in RV or STF versus AVs unless its that presence pool rubbish ;p and for granite tanks i have found 3 rechg 3 taunt (with SOs or nowadays IOs but i think perhaps 2taunt,2rechg,2 range IOs could work) as the best PVE set up as then you have lil more time to play and are that much more flexible especially when it comes to types of defenders you can work with well.
1 stormie and 1 granite + 6 blappers could = STF win imo
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
Hey phobos yeah i shoulda realised u didnt mean it seriously and im sorry to have snapped at u like that
But yeah i honestly dunno how gauntlet works exactly, it taunts ur target an nearbys for a few secs? Wit my inv/nrg tanker, i'm gonna only have bone smasher, energy transsfer, total focus and laser eyebeams as my slotted attacks and without hasten the recharges will be about 4, 10, 10 and 4 secs respectively. I'll also have about 199% acc with all so i figure i would always hit an AV, do u guys think it would work to keep say LR perma taunted (remem ill also have hasten).
Keeping LR busy really isnt that hard (using the corner pull), taking his and his EB's damage nonstop, thats the challenge I lost the battle when eventualy he had 10 EB's out and all came in melee range. But with just 2-4 EB and LR a granite shouldnt have that big problems taking the damage. Downside for ice, with the acc tower i got a feeling he hits straight through any defence.
Good point on shannon, i did some searching and i believe i was wrong that Taunt seem to have a Tohit check versus AV(its gauntlet that has a -20% acc tohit check). If some, i gonna change my slotting to 2 IO recharge (84%) and a IO taunt (42%).
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You dont need acc in taunt in RV or STF versus AVs unless its that presence pool rubbish ;p and for granite tanks i have found 3 rechg 3 taunt (with SOs or nowadays IOs but i think perhaps 2taunt,2rechg,2 range IOs could work) as the best PVE set up as then you have lil more time to play and are that much more flexible especially when it comes to types of defenders you can work with well.
1 stormie and 1 granite + 6 blappers could = STF win imo
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(non-kheldian) tanker taunt is still autohit against PvE enemies.
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Keeping LR busy really isnt that hard (using the corner pull), taking his and his EB's damage nonstop, thats the challenge I lost the battle when eventualy he had 10 EB's out and all came in melee range. But with just 2-4 EB and LR a granite shouldnt have that big problems taking the damage. Downside for ice, with the acc tower i got a feeling he hits straight through any defence.
Good point on shannon, i did some searching and i believe i was wrong that Taunt seem to have a Tohit check versus AV(its gauntlet that has a -20% acc tohit check). If some, i gonna change my slotting to 2 IO recharge (84%) and a IO taunt (42%).
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The thing that teams seem to do is say split up with one tanking LR with a dedicated defender and all the rest going for the gens and only thinking of the gens but some of those in the mix going for the gens could possibly also be debuffing LR for acc and dam etc which would be largely wasted otherwise. Order of gens is needed as well and yellow or red gens need to go down first. Last time i did it we didnt even do the gens cos as long as the gens arent touched you can pull LR far away from them and he wont tp back when ya fight him. We pulled him back to the boat for the most ample range. He couldnt be buffed by the gens from there and doesnt tp back. Taunt control is absolutely key in controlling many when needed especially into the debuff zones imo cos if ya debuffer gets aggro then its lights out and then perhaps the heals etc dont meet the damage and its more lights out all round. My mates stonetank taunt is 3 IO recharge and 2 IO taunt and he wont go less than that ever. Usually by being the total utter aggro magnet and everyone being positionally correct to have damage and also very importantly "debuffs and controls" away and off of the team "enough" you up your survivability more and extra slots in taunt are most certainly without a single, solitary doubt in my mind better than end slots in armours.
In STFs i dont really want to use nukes, shivans or vengeance. I dont believe you should have to and I find it strange that people dont add the time spent in warburg or bloody bay to the time in STF.
@Hammerfall, Kheldian antagonise is weak but this is tanker section and as tanks we cant get them so i could only guess he may have presence pool taunt in his build.
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We tried the boat pull, but when he reached the docks he just suddenly vanished and resetted on the spot. (wasnt a tp).
And with a fort running, AB added, Granite is fairly ok with LR tanking.
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That was with no one touching the gens at all? Need to know if they fixed it to save the bother of trying next time.
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The entire team was pulled back already, only the kin troller was with me incase SB would drop.
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I can cos its not half as long as others have been.
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Such as what other topics?