PvP and waste of time on it from the Devs
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Dark_Blasphemy_EU,
Posted on: 2007-03-28 09:14 in Everything about PvP
Yeah the same solo PvPer's would probably be good in duels but bad at large scale team battles. I've been in a few pick up PvP teams where everyone is trying to solo the enemy and don't stand a chance. Sometimes they listen to me and become quite effective, other times they don't and i end up leaving when i get accused of being bossy lol.
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Just wondering - have you ever played with a PvPer that was good at PvP and bad at PvE? 
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Taking bets on who guesses first.
Thank you for the link there Xan - that video is so funny.
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Just wondering - have you ever played with a PvPer that was good at PvP and bad at PvE?
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Maybe we could play Hangman until we guess?? 
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Just wondering - have you ever played with a PvPer that was good at PvP and bad at PvE?
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Yes.
Taking bets on who guesses first.
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I'm totally betting the house on Xanthus.
fake edit: Failing that, it's Plight.
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Does this mean you think villains are less powerful than heroes?
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Come on, every top PvP team in the US is Hero, in fact show me a succesful team on the EU/US servers that is a majority of Villian AT's.
The only things people want is Thermals, and then they're just a compliment to Empaths with thier Res shields, not even as good when it comes to other buffs or heals.
People who still say Villians are fine are a bit bewildering really o.o
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Dont get me wrong. I agree. I just thought I was one of about 5 who thought that. Seems most people say "lol. pvp is balanced, learn to play and get a team", or "I pvp'd as a villain in bloody bay once for about 5 minutes and owned" while laughing up there sleeve. Then at the next pvp event they are like "I'm playing an ice/em blaster and would really like to team with an empath, preferably ill/emp".
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Nailed . Right there.
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Not just Thermals, Kin Corruptors, Rad Corruptors, Cold Corruptors, and a properly built Dominator.
Corruptors are great as all they need is a small damage buff (forge or 4t or whatever) and they are like blasters, but the buff too! Tell me what is inferior about that.
Meh. Think what you like, false senses of security ftw.
I apologise if this has already been said but this thread is too long to read past the 1st page 
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Does this mean you think villains are less powerful than heroes?
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Come on, every top PvP team in the US is Hero, in fact show me a succesful team on the EU/US servers that is a majority of Villian AT's.
The only things people want is Thermals, and then they're just a compliment to Empaths with thier Res shields, not even as good when it comes to other buffs or heals.
People who still say Villians are fine are a bit bewildering really o.o
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Dont get me wrong. I agree. I just thought I was one of about 5 who thought that. Seems most people say "lol. pvp is balanced, learn to play and get a team", or "I pvp'd as a villain in bloody bay once for about 5 minutes and owned" while laughing up there sleeve. Then at the next pvp event they are like "I'm playing an ice/em blaster and would really like to team with an empath, preferably ill/emp".
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Nailed . Right there.
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Not just Thermals, Kin Corruptors, Rad Corruptors, Cold Corruptors, and a properly built Dominator.
Corruptors are great as all they need is a small damage buff (forge or 4t or whatever) and they are like blasters, but the buff too! Tell me what is inferior about that.
Meh. Think what you like, false senses of security ftw.
I apologise if this has already been said but this thread is too long to read past the 1st page
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Thats why the arena is packed to bursting with hero only teams then?
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Can't say I've read any of the replies. It's my birthday and had a few so didn't feel like reading to much. Anyways back to topic. Do I think the devs time is wasted on PvP? Well first off I think you'll get a lot of sympathy in the PvP section but no I don't think so. I sometimes need to drag myself away from the endless grind pit and do something else. Plus at first PvP was an entirely new learning curve for me when it was introduced in zones (I did little arena stuff) So that gave me lots of satisfaction learning new game mechanics if you will and got me hooked again at a time when things looked grim. Now it's a balance thing. I go once in a while when I feel like doing something else. Sure its not always fun but usually it is. It's all about having the right attitute
So my short answer is : No
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Not just Thermals, Kin Corruptors, Rad Corruptors, Cold Corruptors, and a properly built Dominator.
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Ill/Kin Controller, Rad/Psi Defender, Cold isn't that great and Dominators are removed from the equation with CM.
Wow, two half decent Corrupter power sets truely Villians are the OP. The ony reason therm and Cold are good is because Controllers and Defenders don't get them, else i'm sure we'd be seeing Ill/Therms replacing Corrupters one position on an arena team.
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However I could see some people who solo in PvP being bad in teams, just due to lack of knowledge, or a selfish playstyle.
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Alot of people probably have toons that could become good in PVP if they adapted their build a certain way. Due to how PVP is played and what goes on, you may need to be more self sufficient than in PVE and be more of a single targetter cos AoEs are a bit of a waste. Changing your build for PVP can mean you contribute less to PVE teams. People buy games to play a character with a concept in mind and it may not be ideal for PVP and so the choice is already made.
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Happy birthday :O)
I noticed the cake while I was searching but got too distracted to mention it earlier.
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I don't mean they're not fully efficent in teams, I mean they just suck at it, overpulling, grabbing aggro (Or failing to grab it) mishealing. You know.. screwing it up!
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Again, another PvPer who is incapable of listening to what non-PvPers are saying.
The things you list would make things better for PvPers. They would not cause non-PvPers to start PvPing, and quite frankly, those people, who are clearly a majority, think the devs have wasted enough effort on an aspect of the game which doesn't interest them.
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Do you feel that the Devs have wasted effort on PvP? Do you feel it is a waste that PvP exists? Do you feel that the majority defines that everything but PvE is a waste?
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I dont feel the Devs have wasted time on any aspects of the game, I can say there are parts that for me, that are a waste but justified by seeing the enjoyment they bring to other players; The Veteran System for example.
PvE is CoH, it always was it always will be, every PvPer, BadgeHunter or what ever other titled group of players there are in the game must PvE before they can do anything else. Therefore I would say that PvE is more vital to the game. As Bitter already said:
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I would say PvE needs looking at a lot more than PvP in CoX. Unless they add ALOT more end game content soon or raise the level cap this game is doomed. Theres no point in adding low level stuff as you out level it in a day or two.
PvP in this game suffers from lack of players. IMO the reason we have lack of players is cause the PvE is to repetitive. End game = roll an alt.
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In this thread, youre dividing PvEers and PvPers it to two categories when everyone is a member of the first. Everyone is a PvEer + anything else they like to do. I my self am a PvEer like everyone else, Im also a PvPer, BadgeHunter, Hami Raider, SGer and Base Builder, and even a PLer
So really all the minorities make the majority that your talking about, and if you take one minority out of the game, for example RPing, or BadgeHunting or even say PvPing then youre upsetting a slice of the majority. All these smaller sections revolve around PvE but with out them the PvEing to me, would seem less worth while and Id have no other aims with a character except dinging 50.
The PvP and everything else, makes up for the lack of end game content and with out it I wouldnt be playing CoH.
So no PvP is not a waste and nor is any other aspect of CoX.
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Just wondering - have you ever played with a PvPer that was good at PvP and bad at PvE?
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Yes.
Taking bets on who guesses first.
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I'm totally betting the house on Xanthus.
fake edit: Failing that, it's Plight.
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I'M NOT [censored] I'M JUST LAZY OKAY JESUS GUYS
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I my self am a PvEer like everyone else, Im also a PvPer, BadgeHunter, Hami Raider, SGer and Base Builder, and even a PLer
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And not strictly in that order
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I would say PvE needs looked at alot more than PvP in CoX.
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Yes. I have no qualms with this. I wish people would stop stupid posts like "why the devs waste time on *fill here*". Nothing is a waste.
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Theres no point in adding low level stuff as you out level it in a day or two.
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PvP in this game suffers from lack of players. IMO the reason we have lack of players is cause the PvE is to repetitive. End game = roll an alt.
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Alot of people probably have toons that could become good in PVP if they adapted their build a certain way.
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And that's why I aborted my attempted entry into PvP. The build I was forced to have gave me no leeway to be even slightly creative.
It's why I agree that we need a dual-build system, switchable between PvP and PvE.
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I think theres a fair amount for PvP'ers to do. Other than the Arena needs a revamp and to look at the bugs and add more maps and a choice of maps
I would like to see a [u]NONE PvE PvP Zone [u]
My Idea....
The Crater.
Once where a city stood. now destroyed after large meteor fell between Paragon City and the Rogue isles.
In the dead city that is devoid of life.
There are still hidden treasures left to find after the deverstasting natural disaster( Temps powers ? Insps ? Prestige/Infamy? any ideas ?)
Heroes and Villains fight it out for control of these treasures.
Lvl 50 Zone Heroe vs Villains.
What ya think ?
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However I could see some people who solo in PvP being bad in teams, just due to lack of knowledge, or a selfish playstyle.
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I guess it's probably now possible to solo as far as 50, but to really get the most out of the PvE game, you really have to have at least 5 levels of teaming experience. If you can't learn at least the basics of reasonable team play in that time then you were never going to be any good at teaming.
Players with 50s any older than mine either did it before ED, or learned to team because they didn't have the AV->EB downgrade to fall back on.
Edit: Yeah, selfish playstyle. I guess that falls into the 'never going to be any good' chategory.
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I think if there was treasure there would be Arachnos and Longbow looking for it. Not to mention other scavengers. Heroes and Villains could do it for them but then there is a question of base security. Both sides would need a secure entry point.
pah i say it loads, pvp teh suXx
IR wants rewards!
and working zones (that u dont go happily jumping along and OMGz fall INTO the road and cant get out)
really need a reason to go there as we all know sirens is busy because of the bounty giving SO's, bases, places of itnereest to fight etc
GIVE US MORE!!!
I think it be fun if it randomly drops you in the zone no safe areas just entrance and ext.
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really need a reason to go there as we all know sirens is busy because of the bounty giving SO's, bases, places of itnereest to fight etc
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Was that sarcasm? (Genuine question since the rest of this is pretty pointless if it was.)
Siren's is the most popular PvP Zone because it has the 'best rewards' for PvPers. Adding additional rewards to other zones will likely result in activity moving to RV and away from SC since you'll then be able to fight at level 50 and get rewards.
Adding additional rewards is highly unlikely to get more people to PvP.
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Siren's is the most popular PvP Zone because it has the 'best rewards' for PvPers.
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I'd say it popularity is more to do with the level range than the rewards. Alot more people have toons in the Sirens range than Warberg or RV and by 30 most people are begining to get a real idear of how there AT and power sets work. The rewards are ok but lets face it you can get SO's faster through earning Inf in PVE most of the time. The best thing to trade your bounty in for is the special BF's you can get in Sirens.
Well it's pretty hard to be bad at PvE, it's not like the mobs do the unexpected, you just need a good grasp fo th ebasics of playing and teamwork, and if you're good at PvP you should have plenty of both.
However I could see some people who solo in PvP being bad in teams, just due to lack of knowledge, or a selfish playstyle.