PvP and waste of time on it from the Devs
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Dark_Blasphemy_EU,
Posted on: 2007-03-28 09:14 in Everything about PvP
shouldnt rewards just to one zone, i mean we only go BB for the badges and/or pvp missions until sirens lvl. SO its pointless unless theres a wide range of rewards (yes like WoW-like it or not best rewards ive seen on any MMO)
its just not good enough. AND what i was trying to say about sirens is that there is a goal if u like, rep (as alot go there) and the bounty which gives +3 SO's (1k insp ofc too)
those are what i would call minor rewards. and i want that for all pvp (obviously maybe not in that guise) and alos like it or not to me pvp is end game content as theres nothing else to do except get badges - get inf - roll an alt.
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It'd be nice if you could PvP and complete an objective at the same time, try win a hotpot/find a scientist/take a pillbox while Pvp'ing at the same time, it just puts you at so much of a disadvantage no one bothers!
Can't we have a take and hold objective with no NPC's and a decent reward for doing it?
To prevent farming maybe it only becomes active after a certain pop of the zone is met?
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and i want that for all pvp
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Yeah, I'd like that too. Then I could get a friend and we could pummel each other into the ground until we were fully stocked out with +3 SOs. That would be cool.
Of course, it would also mean an end to any casual PvP since if you didn't have a full PvP build, you'd get farmed as soon as you entered one of them.
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I also wanted to add to this post what I think would attract existing players to PvP.
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The things you list would make things better for PvPers. They would not cause non-PvPers to start PvPing
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I think the Duel Build or even more than just Duel would be brilliant, that way everyone that was adamant on PvEing as best as their build allows could still join in with PvP with a 2nd build devoted to PvP.
Also I believe that if the use of PvP in the test server could be removed so all these absolutely superb PvPing events, organised by the players could be made on live servers in someway, it would improve PvP for everyone. It would attract people to PvP with seeing how big these events actually get. In order to do this though, the Duel Builds would have to be added, live cross server challenging maybe in Arena only and more respecs for your PvP specific build. (VERY unlikely)
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Thats why the arena is packed to bursting with hero only teams then?
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I pretty much always play my corruptor in arena PvP and we had a recent 7 vs 7 on test union vs defiant it wasnt all heroes. Corruptors are the only villain AT that can noticably enhance a hero team as a whole scourging ice or fire attacks really rock. Other ATs can really enhance teams poison MM's, Mind/* or Ice/* Doms CM out of slows or TK 
EM brutes and stalkers can also be very nice.
I would love to have a villain vs heroes match with no AT resistrictions I think it will be much closer than people would think.
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I think the Duel Build or even more than just Duel would be brilliant, that way everyone that was adamant on PvEing as best as their build allows could still join in with PvP with a 2nd build devoted to PvP.
Also I believe that if the use of PvP in the test server could be removed so all these absolutely superb PvPing events, organised by the players could be made on live servers in someway, it would improve PvP for everyone. It would attract people to PvP with seeing how big these events actually get. In order to do this though, the Duel Builds would have to be added, live cross server challenging maybe in Arena only and more respecs for your PvP specific build. (VERY unlikely)
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I would like to see this 
Also a joint EU/US test server would be awesome but probably very hard to do . . . but I can dream
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Thats why the arena is packed to bursting with hero only teams then?
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To be honest the only reason that high level PvP is packed with Heroes is because there are more of them.
Like English football. The Premiership has many foreigners, and the best teams have only a few English players. Does this mean English players are worse than everyone else? No, it just means there are more quality footballers from the rest of the world than there are from England, which makes sense because England's population is like 1/10000 of the world (or give or take a few '0's ).
To sum up, CoH = existed for longer, hence more people with more 50s with whom they are confident in arena on CoH than CoV.
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Siren's is the most popular PvP Zone because it has the 'best rewards' for PvPers.
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I'd say it popularity is more to do with the level range than the rewards. Alot more people have toons in the Sirens range than Warberg or RV and by 30 most people are begining to get a real idear of how there AT and power sets work. The rewards are ok but lets face it you can get SO's faster through earning Inf in PVE most of the time. The best thing to trade your bounty in for is the special BF's you can get in Sirens.
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And the hotspots too - it's awesome when you get Heroes and Villains fighitng in the middle of the Longbow and Arachnos battles 
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I think the Duel Build or even more than just Duel would be brilliant, that way everyone that was adamant on PvEing as best as their build allows could still join in with PvP with a 2nd build devoted to PvP.
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A dual build system would have persuaded me to at least give PvP more of a try, but it isn't going to get many people to do it. It's really making life easier for PvPers and doing nothing much for PvEers.
I can't see any reason to have more than two builds, it would just be exploitable. The dual build system only works really if the switch between builds happens on entering or leaving a PvP environment.
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A dual build system would have persuaded me to at least give PvP more of a try, but it isn't going to get many people to do it. It's really making life easier for PvPers and doing nothing much for PvEers.
I can't see any reason to have more than two builds, it would just be exploitable. The dual build system only works really if the switch between builds happens on entering or leaving a PvP environment.
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I completely agree that if implemented it would be a must that the 2nd build could only be used in PvP Zones and Arena (anywhere that PvP was possible) or as you said it would be extremely exploitable.
I disagree that it would not increase the number of chaps that would take part in PvP. Players enjoy PvE more than PvP therefore they keep their build made for PvE, and so their not cut out for the fast paced action that goes on in the Arena and PvP Zones. If they could keep their favoured PvE builds and still enter a PvP area of the game with a 2nd build capable of PvP they would almost certainly be happy to give it a whirl every now and them.
Another reason is; if there was actually a part in the game where you had a second build and it was devoted to PvP only, by being functional only in PvP sections of the game, it would most defiantly give players a whole new view over whether its worth trying. Still being optional as it is now, but at the same time tactically, on the Devs part, giving everyone as little bit more of a push. As something that they are expected to have a go at, instead of just a hand full of veteran players making the decision to drop theyre PvE builds and being happy to have alts only really able to take part in the PvP activities in the game. If no one had to make that decision and everyone was able to do both I believe everyone would be more then happy to do it. I find that many people are quite ignorant of PvP and how much fun it can actually be.
You could come back at that comment saying you still wouldnt take part if you had a 2nd build, but then I could just say maybe thats cos your build, at the moment, just isnt cut out of PvP
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Feel better?
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Feel better?
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Worse actually.
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I wasn't saying the rewards are good, I said they were the best rewards available. It's not really my argument, it's one I've seen on PvP threads, made by PvPers, many times.
It's also beside the point. The point is that adding extra rewards in other zones won't increase the PvP population significantly. It's more likely to smooth it out over more zones.
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