Oh, and here I was hoping for something good.
That melee damage change has been around for a while, I think.
Unless there's a bulletpoint that's been left off the I8 patch notes stating Domination's recharge time has been reduced drastically or eliminated altogether, this doesn't really count as a buff becuase it doesn't actually have an effect :/
Kinda annoying, really.
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Oh, and here I was hoping for something good.
[Edit] Found this though, havn't had the chance to read it all
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Increased Dominator Melee damage modifier to 0.75 -- this increases their melee damage by 6.7%
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Check when that was posted Jum :P That update is dated 5/08/06 lol
I for one ain't happy with the new buff...
@Under Control
Was just about to edit it out when I realised my mistake but now you quoted it for all too see!
This does not help us with LRSF at all like promised. Control is as useless as ever and nobody is picked for LRSF for their mediocre damage. 
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Dominators will now build Domination faster depending on the size of the Team they are grouped with. Each member of the team (aside from the Dominator himself) increases the speed of Domination gain by approximately 16%. Note that this bonus does NOT apply to the existing bonus Assault powers gain in PvP. The maximum bonus to Domination will happen in a full 8 person group.
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I'm sure you probably know by now that the above is the actual buff for doms. Should be great news for the all-dom team 
For completeness and accuracy's sake, there are two buffs...
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Dominators will now build Domination faster depending on the size of the Team they are grouped with. Each member of the team (aside from the Dominator himself) increases the speed of Domination gain by approximately 16%. Note that this bonus does NOT apply to the existing bonus Assault powers gain in PvP. The maximum bonus to Domination will happen in a full 8 person group.
Base Domination gain increased by 50% (to 3 points per attack up from 2 points per attack.)
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...and they both increase the charge rate of the Domination bar.
Its looking like hasten is going to be a must for doms. Unless they increase the recharge of the domination power, you will be sitting there with a full domination bar and not being able to use it. With hasten it will be better, get a kin on the team and we should be able to stack domination
Its a buff I suppose, so Ill take it. However it still does not address the fundamental problems of a Dominator. What a shame, roll-on the next Issue.
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Its looking like hasten is going to be a must for doms. Unless they increase the recharge of the domination power, you will be sitting there with a full domination bar and not being able to use it. With hasten it will be better, get a kin on the team and we should be able to stack domination
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we can already the bar stays full for the 90 seconds domination lasts. if it recharges before it expires it can be reactivated, this doesn't change that. only seen it happen once though and that was a dom with hasten and a rad and kin on the team.
The simple fact about this change is that domination will be up a lot more often in teams. This must be good, no matter how you look at it?
I'll happily take any buff but I was hoping for something to make our primary a bit more relevant in AV/Hero fights..
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I'll happily take any buff but I was hoping for something to make our primary a bit more relevant in AV/Hero fights..
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yeah that seems to be the feeling in the US too, they're trying to make doms more appealing for those situations, but that problem at least is down to the AVs not the doms, same with trollers, it's the purple triangles of kitten slaying that are the problem, whereas trollers bring buffs/debuffs/heals when their holds are useless, doms just bring their mediocre damage
EDIT: though i guess having domination up more often for the damage boost rather than the hold improvements may be the thought behind it
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Its looking like hasten is going to be a must for doms. Unless they increase the recharge of the domination power, you will be sitting there with a full domination bar and not being able to use it. With hasten it will be better, get a kin on the team and we should be able to stack domination
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My point exactly. I've never had an issue with the filling speed of my Dom bar, solo or in teams. I'm almost always left waiting for the Domination power itself to recharge. :/
That said, I'm not too fussed about the fighting of AVs. I was always more interested in the prospect of a general buff for Dominators to help them in the 99% of the game that isn't the LRSF. I just wish that what we've been given had more of an effect, or at least (as far as I'm concerned) any effect at all.
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yeah that seems to be the feeling in the US too, they're trying to make doms more appealing for those situations, but that problem at least is down to the AVs not the doms, same with trollers, it's the purple triangles of kitten slaying that are the problem, whereas trollers bring buffs/debuffs/heals when their holds are useless, doms just bring their mediocre damage
EDIT: though i guess having domination up more often for the damage boost rather than the hold improvements may be the thought behind it
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Yeah, I agree that's probably the thought behind it. The trouble is, they don't seem to realize that more damage doesn't help at all to make us more wanted in LRSF, like promised for this buff. It's why stalkers get left in the cold too, despite having excellent single target damage.
LRSF teams look for three things:
Longevity (brutes)
Damage mitigation (corruptors, MMs, doms to some extent but too unreliable)
Damage multiplication (corruptors, MMs to some extent)
They also want damage but why take an AT that brings only damage when you get other ATs that bring enough damage and other useful things.
In about a years time the dom team will be able to test out the changes in the RSF 
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Its looking like hasten is going to be a must for doms. Unless they increase the recharge of the domination power, you will be sitting there with a full domination bar and not being able to use it. With hasten it will be better, get a kin on the team and we should be able to stack domination
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I've never had a Dom with hasten, so it really does boost its recharge speed, even though Domination is an unslottable (with recharge red.) inherent power?
Wow...may need to respec with i8 then.
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I've never had a Dom with hasten, so it really does boost its recharge speed, even though Domination is an unslottable (with recharge red.) inherent power?
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Its looking like hasten is going to be a must for doms. Unless they increase the recharge of the domination power, you will be sitting there with a full domination bar and not being able to use it. With hasten it will be better, get a kin on the team and we should be able to stack domination
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I've never had a Dom with hasten, so it really does boost its recharge speed, even though Domination is an unslottable (with recharge red.) inherent power?
Wow...may need to respec with i8 then.
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yeah it's recharge is inreased by hasten it's base recharge is 5 minutes, with hasten this should go down to about the 3 maybe 4 minute mark
EDIT: according to hero builder with hasten it'll recharge in 174 seconds, since you can only have hasten up for 120 of those seconds i'd estimate about 200 seconds if you click hasten when you click domination
The base recharge is not 5min anymore, it was shortened in I7. To 3 minutes, I think.
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The base recharge is not 5min anymore, it was shortened in I7. To 3 minutes, I think.
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ahh excellent, not played a dom in a while didn't notice the change, so as it is now it's available 50% of the time, you get 90 seconds to refill the bar after it expires so you can use it again, maybe the increase in dom build up is a better thing than i thought. with hasten it's down to approximately 20 seconds between uses and with a /kin surely an overlap should be possible even if it is only for a few seconds. don't see an issue with its recharge time in lgiht of all that.
EDIT: just got the calculator out and with hasten (+66% recharge) and speed boost (+20%) it recharges in about 96 seconds. no overalp but only 6 seconds downtime, course it needs to be filled in that time
EDIT EDIT: gah was looking at the recharge bonus of AM 
speed boost gives 37.5 from a corruptor which does indeed give it a small 1.3 second overlap roughly, good to know
I've noticed that if a power isnt recharged when hasten drops, the power's icon shrinks, as if its recharge time gets pushed back to what it is without hasten. Something to consider, although I'm not sure if this is a bug, intended, or if it even affects the recharge in the way it suggests.
And yep, this will be handy on the all dom team :O)
I just hope it doesnt ruin the pinball feel of the AT.
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I've noticed that if a power isnt recharged when hasten drops, the power's icon shrinks, as if its recharge time gets pushed back to what it is without hasten. Something to consider, although I'm not sure if this is a bug, intended, or if it even affects the recharge in the way it suggests.
And yep, this will be handy on the all dom team :O)
I just hope it doesnt ruin the pinball feel of the AT.
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That shrinking or growing icons thing is normal and happens with all powers when the +recharge or -recharge effects drop from you.
I'm very happy with this domination buff, beans I can fire it off a lot more in regular missions and not worry too much.
ESPECIALLY good for big teams! Just need some kinetics friendlies and I'm rocking!
Checked the notes on the test server board as well, hoping it would be a wind up. No luck, looks genuine.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...=0#Post6702716
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