Spines\SR Scrapper or Spines\SR stalker?
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Hi im pretty new to the PvP element of Coh ...
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@Scorpio EU
Yes and I refer to the game as Coh even though I have both. I have a Spines/SR on the villains game, but as he'd put "h" I thought I'd clarify before starting some long goop that would be not much use to him.
You've made your first mistake already, Barb Swipe instead of Lunge. It's a minor mistake, you probably wont use it either way, but it's a mistake anyway.
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You've made your first mistake already, Barb Swipe instead of Lunge.
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I currently have taken, Barb swipe, Lunge and build up from primary
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Way to read, Jobo. [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Barb Swipe isn't a bad attack for a Spines/SR. It's a low-end filler attack that serves its purpose right up until the point where you can respec it out and slot other attacks with SOs - it's certainly a better option than Spine Burst, seeing as SR isn't the best set for herding until SOs at earliest, until 35 realistically, and in all likelihood: never. [img]/uk/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
@Synaesthetix
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Spine Burst, seeing as SR isn't the best set for herding until SOs at earliest, until 35 realistically, and in all likelihood: never. [img]/uk/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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With elude or fort a spines/sr can herd as good as anything in i7
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Way to read, Jobo.
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Oh come on! Look at the time of my post! I'd only just woken up!!!
Though I'd still favour Spine Burst over Barb Swipe for this build in the early levels (to be respeced out of), I'd rather risk being great than live is a gimp!
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With elude or fort a spines/sr can herd as good as anything in i7
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Well that's great, but it doesn't help you between levels 2 to 12 at the earliest, or 2 to 39 if you're not seeking outside assistance. I wouldn't have thought that using Elude as a herding tool was a particularly effective playstyle either... herd, herd, herd, wow this is great!, herd, herd, end crash, death. [img]/uk/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
If you're wanting to herd, I'd recommend /Regen (for survivability), or /Dark (for AoE dustbunny doom). SR can do it, but it's not really built for it.
@Synaesthetix
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Spines/super reflex, is a fantastic scrapper set in PvP and PvE, its much harder to play in PvE in my opinion in comparison to spines/regen which was just a joke to play in PvE. However it is a late bloomer, later on spines/regen and spines/sr become very close to one another, the problem with the build is sticking it out till later levels. eg mid to late 30s when you get a full attack chain, elude and in my case aid self. once you have ripper and aid self it just keeps getting better.
You can pretty much build a spines/sr any way you want, best advice is make sure you get aid self.
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With elude or fort a spines/sr can herd as good as anything in i7
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Well that's great, but it doesn't help you between levels 2 to 12 at the earliest, or 2 to 39 if you're not seeking outside assistance. I wouldn't have thought that using Elude as a herding tool was a particularly effective playstyle either... herd, herd, herd, wow this is great!, herd, herd, end crash, death. [img]/uk/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
If you're wanting to herd, I'd recommend /Regen (for survivability), or /Dark (for AoE dustbunny doom). SR can do it, but it's not really built for it.
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Agreed.. even with SR's DEF buffing now and before you could herd.. but these days even with Aid Self, it can get very dangerous, and the AoEs' make you stick out (no pun intended), with Quills, and Spine Burst.
"Spine Burst" animation time can be a serious killer (As I found out a few times on Israfel). But it's a good stalker deterrant in PvP, as I've stood next to a stalker and seen with Quills running:: "miss" "miss", fire off build up, "hit" > "ripper" > "spine burst", and you see that Stalker run [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] -- a Spines is a herding monster.. but the trade off is it can kill you just as easy and as fast.
Tho Globefighter (as he has one) can give you a better idea on his build as he did it, you wanna be very careful with a Spines/SR, true you have a good DEF value now.. but as said.. it can get VERY dangerous in places (especially due to Stalkers using Hide+Stealth to circumvent the +perception, and use its DEF bonus).
As for using Elude as a herding tool :/ yea.. kinda just as bad as using Lightform or Invincibility.. true they work (to an extent unless you end up -DEF buffed (Radiation Emission anyone?) in which case you only prolong your own death, but once Elude crashes.. the fuse is short [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
But as fat as Spines/SR vs 1v1 no problems (just try to avoid those Debuffs, they hurt.. a lot..)
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As for using Elude as a herding tool :/ yea.. kinda just as bad as using Lightform or Invincibility.. true they work (to an extent unless you end up -DEF buffed (Radiation Emission anyone?) in which case you only prolong your own death, but once Elude crashes.. the fuse is short [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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If ur an SR (not sure with ne others def sets) u either get a resist against def debuff or ur not affected by em nemore. cnt remember which tho. [img]/uk/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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As for using Elude as a herding tool :/ yea.. kinda just as bad as using Lightform or Invincibility.. true they work (to an extent unless you end up -DEF buffed (Radiation Emission anyone?) in which case you only prolong your own death, but once Elude crashes.. the fuse is short [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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If ur an SR (not sure with ne others def sets) u either get a resist against def debuff or ur not affected by em nemore. cnt remember which tho. [img]/uk/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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You do yes and it scales with level.. at level 50 it's like RES to DEF Debuff::
Toggles: 22%
Passives: 10%
But, with such things as RAD stacked on you.. that won't last long, and eventually the DMG gets through, based on ur DEF debuffed and they're ACC vs SR overall.
i just feel sr is a bit lacking because it doesn't have a power like dull pain.
SR with a Dull Pain power would just make it seriously overpowered.
yeah sr is great, but in teams regen wins imop because it has dull pain [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] solo sr owns.
Built purposly for team PvP id say SR all the way
(depending on the team of course [img]/uk/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img])
nah when you've got a kin regen simply owns, sr can be quite easy for a blaster to kill.
indeed.. 2(or 3acc) + BU +Aim = byebye
then you have the DoT from fire blasters.. you start to add all the numbers up over time.
a decent PvP blaster vs an SR Scrapper can go either way, it'll all come down to who hit's first.
Ofcourse there problem is.. the more you kill a blaster, the more powerful he becomes.. so it's its a "kill or be killed" scenario
Id personally take both Regen and Invuln over SR for team PvP.
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yup invulnur has dull pain and resistance to repel as well or do you call it protection, what ever [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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indeed.. 2(or 3acc) + BU +Aim = byebye
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I'd really wish my SR defenses were uber enough to make a blaster have to pop yellows with BU+AIM to hit me, tbh [img]/uk/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
Spines/SR is great for zone PvP, and particularly in the concept of so-called stalker-hunter. Character with increased perception to counteract stalkers hide (focused senses + power pool tactics) and immobilize,slow and ranged attacks for catching the fleeing stalkers that spines gives. This in addition to good defensive capability you get for merely being a scrapper.
For other forms of PvP in more confined spaces such as arena and base raids, invul and regen are propably slightly better. SR doesnt cope well against overwhelming odds when elude is not running.
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indeed.. 2(or 3acc) + BU +Aim = byebye
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I'd really wish my SR defenses were uber enough to make a blaster have to pop yellows with BU+AIM to hit me, tbh [img]/uk/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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DX vs Demora [pvp arena] (fire/fire blaster) Build Up was more than enough to get thru [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
anything with enough ToHit and ACC stacked with circumvent it [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
SR is all about "luck", as you know yourself. [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] They won't hit all the time, but they'll hit enough to make it hurt.
Hi im pretty new to the PvP element of Coh and ater asking around decided to build a spines/sr for pvp as everyone kept telling me theyre great so i thought id give them a try. What i would like is any advice on slotting, power choices etc to make this a decent PvP build. I currently have taken, Barb swipe, Lunge and build up from primary and the first 2 powers from secondary.
Thanks in advance
Hawkblaze