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"Come on then! One on one! But you can't use hide. Or AS."
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I love these conditions. I always say "ok, but you can't use a hold (trollers)/any armours (tankers)/any heals (regen scrappers)/aim or build up (blasters)/any buffs or debuffs (defenders)"
they usually change their mind at that point.
Back on topic, I've never wanted, needed or used stealth in PvP.
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Back on topic, I've never wanted, needed or used stealth in PvP.
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Thats interesting.
The reason i think i MAY be able to get away with it is because i hide behind buildings about 90% of the time anyway. How did you get on without stealth? My only concern is with people who go out there way to hunt me, like that [censored] frosty mcneil 
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Back on topic, I've never wanted, needed or used stealth in PvP.
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Thats interesting.
The reason i think i MAY be able to get away with it is because i hide behind buildings about 90% of the time anyway. How did you get on without stealth? My only concern is with people who go out there way to hunt me, like that [censored] frosty mcneil
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Yeah, bearing in mind you were seeing straight through Hide + Stealth at a decent range, Frosty, I'd be concerned for your health.
I try and keep buildings and other things in the way too, even though I'm using hide + stealth, but I think there could be a problem at the point of attack. One of the things I learned to carry over to my Hero ATs by playing a stalker is to have a quick activation, high accuracy attack in your build, with which you can knock off hide.
(For my empath that's Power Push, which is something like 97.5% accuracy to an even and I then have it slotted with 2ACC. PP has an added bonus in that it's 100% knockback too, so you have a stalker who's out of hide and possibly prone too.)
So you may well be able to sneak up on folks, using terrain, but when you land and click AS, they have four seconds to spot you and slap you and then your AS is off and your is hide down.
There are obviously plenty of stalkers who are working just fine around that, it seems, but I'm not one of them. 
Maybe I'll wheel out Icy Ewe when you get to BB and we can reverse roles.
My Stalker is level 19 atm, Energy/Energy and I will not be stepping into any form of PvP untill i at least have full SOs.
Only thing I need to settle on, is Stealth and Invisibility or Aid Self.
Thanks for the tips, on ghostblade my strategy is to hide behind things or hover above the battlefield. When a target looks hot i hit build up, TP beside them, and queue AS/placate and my follow up. Its that strategy that has me thinking I could possibly chuck stealth (even high perception targets wont see me till i'm up close, and I've run into ppl using the same strategy on frosty). On ghostblade i've attacked duellers where there were sympathetic villains to give a "ninja alert" to my targets. I'm going dark/ninja, for the fear and higher survivability. Probably fly and TP. I havent found an effective way of useing tpfoe, i guess tpfoe and queued fear, something i didnt have on ghostblade. Anywho, if its rubbish i guess thats what respecs are for 
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Thanks for the tips, on ghostblade my strategy is to hide behind things or hover above the battlefield. When a target looks hot i hit build up, TP beside them, and queue AS/placate and my follow up. Its that strategy that has me thinking I could possibly chuck stealth (even high perception targets wont see me till i'm up close, and I've run into ppl using the same strategy on frosty). On ghostblade i've attacked duellers where there were sympathetic villains to give a "ninja alert" to my targets. I'm going dark/ninja, for the fear and higher survivability. Probably fly and TP. I havent found an effective way of useing tpfoe, i guess tpfoe and queued fear, something i didnt have on ghostblade. Anywho, if its rubbish i guess thats what respecs are for
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I have superjump and teleport and my strategy is almost the same, except I use superjump to go in and fire BU on the down part of the jump. It's taken a lot of practise, but I can usually land next to someone now. My TP is then an emergency button for when I get immob'd or slowed.
Many's the time though that I've landed next to someone, whacked the AS key and they see me straight away and then it's all down to my defences whether I get the AS off, or they hit me. I guess this is the bit I'll be most interested in hearing about your success - can you get your AS off without being interrupted.
Having fear in the back pocket will probably help your stalker a lot.
I haven't found an effective way of using TPFoe either. So much so that I keep forgetting I've got it. I think maybe once I've used it to grab a fleeing hero when my hide was already down, for a placate/impale combo.
Me and some mates respecced stealth out on purpose to make it more challenging and all still do fine..its a pain when you get ganked but in even numbers it isn't really a problem like people say..
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If you have three, you're cheating.
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1. Hide
2. Stealth
3. Hyper Stealth
And even with Hide+Stealth empath can still be a problem for you little stalkers, since thay can stack CM on a single target... if i ativate my hasten i can stack 22 CMs on a single target when the first starts to run out
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dont forget that SS have a built in stealth as well.. not that it matters much when the CM's start to fly about :P
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dont forget that SS have a built in stealth as well..
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Not in PvP.
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dont forget that SS have a built in stealth as well.. not that it matters much when the CM's start to fly about :P
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Not that it matters at all, in PvP, where SS has no stealth.
Just target the Empath, not the squishies :P
Oh... Don't kill me though I'll send you back to hospital.
btw guys I know for a fact that SS doesn't get stealth at all, jsut that in PvE enemy Ai doesn't get enough time to react. The other day in PvP I chased an SS stalekr with SJ+hurdle. SJ+hurdle also acts as a part "stealth" in PvE.
so.....
SJ+hurdle FTW!!!!!!!!
Just one question, Demon: Are you on crack?
This is me, hanging out in IP, using cloak + SS. Note, I am dancing, I am not blurring through the screen at one meeelleon miles per hour. Do you like my friend?
This is me, five seconds later, having turned off Superspeed, because it has no stealth element - fact! Now my friend is dancing too!
Ouch! He danced me, right in the head!
Superspeed has a stealth element, even when standing still. Superjump, does not.
I am jsut saying in pvp it doesn't have stealth.
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I am jsut saying in pvp it doesn't have stealth.
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btw guys I know for a fact that SS doesn't get stealth at all, jsut that in PvE enemy Ai doesn't get enough time to react.
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Ok, then.
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Just one question, Demon: Are you on crack?
This is me, hanging out in IP, using cloak + SS. Note, I am dancing, I am not blurring through the screen at one meeelleon miles per hour. Do you like my friend?
This is me, five seconds later, having turned off Superspeed, because it has no stealth element - fact! Now my friend is dancing too!
Ouch! He danced me, right in the head!
Superspeed has a stealth element, even when standing still. Superjump, does not.
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"Look guys, I'm standing here, next to these mobs with SS on. Now I'm going to turn it off.....And now I'm dead"
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btw guys I know for a fact that SS doesn't get stealth at all, jsut that in PvE enemy Ai doesn't get enough time to react. The other day in PvP I chased an SS stalekr with SJ+hurdle. SJ+hurdle also acts as a part "stealth" in PvE.
so.....
SJ+hurdle FTW!!!!!!!!
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LMAO. I'm going to respec in SJ and hurdle on my Corruptor now and see how long he lasts standing in the middle of a +3 mob thanks to his stealth
SS does have stealth and anyone who uses that stealth can confirm that. It has nothing to do with the enemies AI not reacting in time as I can happily go AFK in the middle of a mob with SS/stealth stacked for full invisibility.
interesting thread folks lol, but me ar/dev blasters is one of them blasters with double boosted perecpt (TD&Tactics) my usual tactics when stalkers land next to me is hit caltrops (autohit power & slow so...) 90% time lets me avoid being as'd add in web grenade and there goes your fly/jump [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] never mind the -speed -recharge ontop of the immob... as for tp foe, well cant remember the name quite rightly, but a stalker by name of zodd has been giving me a bit of trouble of late with tp foe, but i'll adapt :P and can confirm invis does make things tricky as i cant see, however noticed that i CAN still hear buildup going off, which is usualy time to sj up and/or away or hit caltrops, as someone mentioned in this thread, invs, you got to drop it to use as, and sade a stalker in sirens call of late he's damn good lol been more of a challege for once, most times i get ASd is due to being locked in animations formy attacks, but happy hunting folks in sirens call on defiant, looking forward to seeing some new tactics being used for a change, time for a challege, and sade and zodd ty guys def been fun and a challege hunting you both :P
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I hope you and Mr Frosty will let us (me) know how you get on, sans stealth. I'm always interested in alternate builds.
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Nooo, its a big ol' secret!
Nah, I play as "Master kano" lvl 5 just now. I'll give you a shout when he starts his pvp career.
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