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I was just on test and got told by 2 stalkers that they were held with one hold application; either this is a bug or they missed the fact they had stacked holds on them or had their mezz resist knocked off in some other way. They also said that they could take 14 holds in Siren's on live (that's a Mag resist of 42) so I'm not sure about the credibility of this. I would have been interested in testing this but one of them was talking so much nonsense my teeth were beginning to hurt.
All of my holds and holds with domination have been behaving as expected so if there is an issue it's probably villains only.
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yeah i was lyssa and it wasn't just one hold it was atleast 4 and it went through Rin and retsu which is something you just can't do on live at the moment.
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I was just on test and got told by 2 stalkers that they were held with one hold application; either this is a bug or they missed the fact they had stacked holds on them or had their mezz resist knocked off in some other way. They also said that they could take 14 holds in Siren's on live (that's a Mag resist of 42) so I'm not sure about the credibility of this. I would have been interested in testing this but one of them was talking so much nonsense my teeth were beginning to hurt.
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yeah i was lyssa and it wasn't just one hold it was atleast 4 and it went through Rin and retsu which is something you just can't do on live at the moment.
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4 holds is mag 12, I'd be very surprised if Ninjitsu gives you more than that. Mag 12 is enough for me to Hold a Regen Scrapper (maybe less but that is 2 holds with Domination). From the description Retsu doesn't look like it gives you any extra mezz resist in addition to Rin. Let me know if you want to test this on live.
It doesnt matter if my EM/EA is seen as shes pure speed and doesnt rely on AS in the least, she also works in a duo and both have invis friend so even if people are in the perception cap they cant see us unless we are standing right next to them.
I didnt see it mentioned but it seems that on applying a PVE boost to stalkers it means stalker can AS through all debuffs that dont caus damage, that means hotfeet, mudpots, CE and the like can all be ASd through even if affecting you. Will this make it through to live is the real question.
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An empath has to team, too, and i don't see any whining about it.
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Empaths are support AT's, looks as if stalkers will be soon as well.
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I was just on test and got told by 2 stalkers that they were held with one hold application; either this is a bug or they missed the fact they had stacked holds on them or had their mezz resist knocked off in some other way. They also said that they could take 14 holds in Siren's on live (that's a Mag resist of 42) so I'm not sure about the credibility of this. I would have been interested in testing this but one of them was talking so much nonsense my teeth were beginning to hurt.
All of my holds and holds with domination have been behaving as expected so if there is an issue it's probably villains only.
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yeah i was lyssa and it wasn't just one hold it was atleast 4 and it went through Rin and retsu which is something you just can't do on live at the moment.
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4 holds is mag 12, I'd be very surprised if Ninjitsu gives you more than that. Mag 12 is enough for me to Hold a Regen Scrapper (maybe less but that is 2 holds with Domination). From the description Retsu doesn't look like it gives you any extra mezz resist in addition to Rin. Let me know if you want to test this on live.
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I'd gladly sit in sirens while you throw holds at me because i know i will not be held with Rin on because click mez protect is harder to beat than toggle mez.
This is not so on the test server so something has changed.
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It doens't matter if they are support AT's, they are AT's anyway, and the people is moaning cause any AT could be forced to team while other can't (I don't think so, but...)
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I'd gladly sit in sirens while you throw holds at me because i know i will not be held with Rin on because click mez protect is harder to beat than toggle mez.
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Just realised of course we can't because different servers. Might be interesting to do a test if you can get hold of 2 controllers. Click or toggle doesn't matter (other than click can't be dropped which obviously is a big plus) its the Mag that's important.
If you can try with a dominator with Domination running, I'd be surprised if you can take more than 2 ST holds (mag 12) and amazed if it can take 3 ST holds (mag18).
What does ST refer to?
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Support ATs are those that buff friends, the other class is those that kill the enemy. I think stalkers still belong to the latter class.
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because click mez protect is harder to beat than toggle mez.
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Why? Personally I don't know the magnitude resistances of the mez-protect powers but afaik there is no particular difference in favor of the clicky powers.. The one advantage clickys do have, is that the resists arent dropped when the character gets held like in the case of toggles, so the holds afaik wear off sooner because resistances are still in effect as long as clicky power is still affecting character? Please correct me if Im on the wrong track..
i've sat in sirens with my mind dom spamming holds at SR scrappers with practiced brawler on and i can vouch for how hard it is to get past click mez protection and thats with TK.
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I always thought the clicky and toggy mez protects had the exact same magnitude. You *can* stack clickies for higher mag, but not for long. I'd have thought the main reason that toggles are easier to get past is simply toggledrop potential.
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i've sat in sirens with my mind dom spamming holds at SR scrappers with practiced brawler on and i can vouch for how hard it is to get past click mez protection and thats with TK.
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Well since youre on defiant I can bring my tank around sometime if you want a test on a toggle mez-protection 
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Single Target, so a base Hold that every Controller & Dominator has - fossilise, strangler etc. These are Mag3 usually, Mag4 on a critical from a controller, Mag6 with Domination.
Ah! So you are Bilharzia, Filth! You may not remember, but thanks for the fun in RV last week. Don't suppose you know who the Stalker "Smirk" is do you? I had a great cat and mouse game with him that night...
jeje yes, RV was fun for a while. Don't know Smirk, possibly a Defiant player as I don't remember the name from the union zones.
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i've sat in sirens with my mind dom spamming holds at SR scrappers with practiced brawler on and i can vouch for how hard it is to get past click mez protection and thats with TK.
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This is the reality: Practiced Brawler has a mez resistance of Mag 7. This means that 3 standard (controller or Dominator) ST Holds can hold an SR running PB, or 2 ST holds with Domination - if those holds hit, the +Def armours of SR will help you avoid being hit but that's not the same thing as having a high mez resist.
The interesting thing about PB is that it can be stacked with a downtime of 20-30 seconds, so you can run 2xPB at some times giving you a total Mez resist of Mag 14.
Just tested this on live with the help of Kuroshi and Aphotica.
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I only just found and read this right now 
They are fun fights too...
ne1 no how much the -perception is for:
grant invis
superior invis
group invis
invis
thx for any info
Right. I'm gonna take a right moan at this myself now. And guess what, I, myself, have a 40 Stalker, and am in the process of levelling up another. Now, I've been PvPing with my new one (LvL 29 Em/Nin), and was up against people with perception (They all did thanks to tactics, along with ice armour etc), and I have no stealth, only hide. And what did I do? I kicked major [censored]. Only a sucky Stalker should RELY on the ability to hide and not be seen. Mix it up a bit, use TACTICS (No, not the power). Stop complaining here. If you're moaning about being seen in PvP, then you obviously don't have what it takes to be an effective Stalker.
Something else, I wasn't even running Mez Rez or BFs. I could have played with hide off if I liked. Would have made life slightly more difficult but I'd still have managed.
I patiently await the counter arguement on this one.
Not gonna argue with what Kite said, but...
Isn't the entire premise of a Stalker to Stalk? I mean i've never really heard of many assassins letting everyone know who they are when they kill someone... 
LoL yes, but my point is, Stalkers are not made useless because enemies have perception. Nor are they forced to team for the same reason, as Chelsea seems to think. What I'm saying is it IS possibly that I could go without hide, but I'm not going to because it defeats the purpose.
Also it's funny taking out the stalker hunters. They think they're all it with their perception and their blapping, the next thing they know, they been TP'd, Stunned, ET'd and AS'd, and are lying dead on the ground. Then they start moaning about how stalkers are lame
Kinda disproves that idea that "AS and hide is all we have!". Also, how could you run mezz protection when "stalkers have no defences" anyway?
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Kinda disproves that idea that "AS and hide is all we have!". Also, how could you run mezz protection when "stalkers have no defences" anyway?
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I'm not sure how many Stalkers know that if you use Placate -> Attack you will critical that attack and you don't even need to be running Hide.
When I was testing Ninjitsu with Roaster he tried BU -> Placate -> Eagle's Claw, took over 50% of my health which is around 500 points of damage.
Invis + Hide stacks great, the downside is that you can't attack while invised, so it is more useful for getting away than attacking. To attack you have to execute both "drop invis" and "attack" actions. Not sure if they can be bound to a single macro/bind (not an expert on binds).
The other downside is that Invis reloads a bit slowly, so it might mean a bit of running or slotting it for recharges.
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