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It makes my character look alive, like you can see more into him throw his eyes now and I don't really want to lose the effect.
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This is a raid not a beauty contest.You want the beauty contest np make a cossie contest etc etc.During a raid you come prepared for the raid even if it means that you look like a bag of chips.
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I've read the guide and don't get me wrong I'm all up for having a plan but you keep using this will cause lag and that will.... but surely all these little bits is nothing compared to the lag thats going to be cause by the number of peeps who turn up.
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Apparently you havent been to a raid.
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Also why does it have to be game over when the yellow things appear?
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Because when the "yellow things" appear they hold a big sign that says ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US FROM THE FRIGGIN LAG OF 100+ players and 1 "yellow thing" for every player in the blob which makes it 100+ DEAD players and 100+ "yellow things".
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If your are roleplaying then a hero would be willing to put his/her life on the line no matter the odds and no matter how hopless it looks but you say just to give up?? Thats not very heroic.
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We dont say give up the server says give up with the INSANE LAG.
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If this is a community thing surely you should be encouraging people to turn up and not turning them away because they don't fit in to your plan?
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Actually this is an open invite to all that want to participate provided that its not a mass chaos in there and everyone fulfills their role.A raid is a coordinated attack and not a playground where everyone does what he/she wants.
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Do you even think about the rest of the community below lvl 45?
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NO.Because they are not in the Hive at that moment.
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Then of cousre theres this conga line I've heard about, something once again cause lag and which will affect those of us not taking part in the raid.
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Is this a joke or something?The conga line was something made when we beat Hamidon 2times.What is this all about.
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The community is EVERYONE not just those who do what you tell them too. If you think the community is just your little group going to fight a big old blob then well done, you're starting your own little dictatorship.
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Community:A group of people having common interests. Taking down Hamidon is a common interest.During a raid simple rules are set to be followed in order for this community to achieve its goal.A group of 100+ players out of a 700 player base is not a small group.
i will give it a go for the last time. If we failed this time agin then i think we can not take hami down forever. Tho i will miss jelly. cya all in inside hami 
TG, is your avatar Swedish?
Can't take my ruddy eyes off it!!!! Damn you!!! *shakes fist in air before going back to watch avatar*
Just realised I'm double booked on the 2nd with RL stuff so wont be able to make it sorry 
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This shows you have put zero thought or research into your posts. The Hive is a level 45+ zone. Anyone lower physically can't get in the blooming zone!
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This shows you have but zero thought or research into your posts. The Hive is a level 45+ zone. Anyone lower physically can't get in the blooming zone!
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Perhaps we should get the devs to open the zone up so the rest of the community can be included? :P
I think his point is that he believes a raid ongoing in the Hive affects other zones adversely by causing lag.
Certainly the second Hamidon event over Xmas (when loads of people were stuck in PI and couldn't access their characters) it did seem to be very laggy overall. I think there was even a flame war around it at that time, with people insisting the raid was causing lag and others equally vehement that it wasn't the raid itself causing the lag. Personally I think that when you have zones shutting themselves down there's a bigger problem with the system than if a Hami raid is on.
Anyway, I believe thats why he's making that point.
For me, I'm always 100% happy to follow the directions of the raid organisers. I didn't like it when TG told Proximity to use the dance emote next to Hami whilst calling him a n00b, but I did it regardless 
Final point, I think it's absolutely vital that we do not allow that second wave of mitos spawn. Yeah, I know, I'm a genius! But it seems to me, on the last few raids that the lag on the server when 100+ Mitos respawn and kill everything in the Hive, that it is THAT which causes the server crashes. And once the server crashes you can't try and re-kill all the mitos as there's a 3 hour delay on Hami reappearing.
Well the PI bugs happened before the raid even started.
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Yup, as a lot of the raiders couldn't assemble due to their characters being stuck
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It makes my character look alive, like you can see more into him throw his eyes now and I don't really want to lose the effect.
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This is a raid not a beauty contest.You want the beauty contest np make a cossie contest etc etc.During a raid you come prepared for the raid even if it means that you look like a bag of chips.
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I can confirm it's not a beauty contest, I've seen TG on a raid in his speedos and it ain't beautiful.
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It makes my character look alive, like you can see more into him throw his eyes now and I don't really want to lose the effect.
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This is a raid not a beauty contest.You want the beauty contest np make a cossie contest etc etc.During a raid you come prepared for the raid even if it means that you look like a bag of chips.
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I can confirm it's not a beauty contest, I've seen TG on a raid in his speedos and it ain't beautiful.
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You not want me in speedos in there tomorrow trust me 
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TG, is your avatar Swedish?
Can't take my ruddy eyes off it!!!! Damn you!!! *shakes fist in air before going back to watch avatar*
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I let the nationality to your imagination amongst other things
TBH it looks like a slim Britneeeeee.
*chants* Hamidon will fall! We want jelly and Hami os! (repeat) *end chant*
Could allways distract it with greeks avatar, then sneak up a nude greek and scare him to death.
No just the nude Greek would scare him to death.
Last you'll be hearing from on this. I didn't set out to anger anyone I just saw what I would call a flaw and began to pick at it, so sorry if I've cheesed you off.
The cost of changing a costume is not what I'm picking at, lol also being vain has nothing to do with it either.
Also not being ignorant, I'm trying to learn more about this. I've heard stories of nightmare lag and it's what has put me off. I always wondered how the blob was killed and now I know the tactics used thanx to the guide.
What my point was, but I don't thing anyone got, what happens to your freedom?I know you prefer people not to come in capes and auras because of lag but what if people do?This is a game after all so why be so botherd if someone does come in a cape.Theres no point in sending them tells asking (if your polite) or telling (for the not so polite peeps out there) to change the costume as that person would be quite happy to carry on cape swooshing in the wind because that is how they like to play the game.What's stopping those who are very unhappy with having a go at this person and then things get nasty because that person would still prefer to keep the cape. Cape person could recieve alot of abuse for playing the way they like and all they did was turn up to have fun and kill big old mean hammi. I would say that being called things, that would be censored, by someone repeatedly or by a big group of peeps bullying.Just because that person is different doesn't give you the right to have a go at them.Then of course those throwing the abuse would be petitioned,their defense?The silly "that guy was wearing a cape and wouldn't take it off."
So what i'm saying is if someone does turn up in a cape and/or aura It's most likely they ain't going to change it so leave them be and just focus on the task in hand. It's going to be a night full of unholy laggy evil, just don't take it out on the ones that are different and want to keep their capes and auras as they are there to help.
So be it fully equipped with cape and cowl or stripped down to your undies, Good luck and have fun
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Last you'll be hearing from on this. I didn't set out to anger anyone I just saw what I would call a flaw and began to pick at it, so sorry if I've cheesed you off.
The cost of changing a costume is not what I'm picking at, lol also being vain has nothing to do with it either.
Also not being ignorant, I'm trying to learn more about this. I've heard stories of nightmare lag and it's what has put me off. I always wondered how the blob was killed and now I know the tactics used thanx to the guide.
What my point was, but I don't thing anyone got, what happens to your freedom?I know you prefer people not to come in capes and auras because of lag but what if people do?This is a game after all so why be so botherd if someone does come in a cape.Theres no point in sending them tells asking (if your polite) or telling (for the not so polite peeps out there) to change the costume as that person would be quite happy to carry on cape swooshing in the wind because that is how they like to play the game.What's stopping those who are very unhappy with having a go at this person and then things get nasty because that person would still prefer to keep the cape. Cape person could recieve alot of abuse for playing the way they like and all they did was turn up to have fun and kill big old mean hammi. I would say that being called things, that would be censored, by someone repeatedly or by a big group of peeps bullying.Just because that person is different doesn't give you the right to have a go at them.Then of course those throwing the abuse would be petitioned,their defense?The silly "that guy was wearing a cape and wouldn't take it off."
So what i'm saying is if someone does turn up in a cape and/or aura It's most likely they ain't going to change it so leave them be and just focus on the task in hand. It's going to be a night full of unholy laggy evil, just don't take it out on the ones that are different and want to keep their capes and auras as they are there to help.
So be it fully equipped with cape and cowl or stripped down to your undies, Good luck and have fun
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OK I have been to severaly Hami raids, people come in capes and auras all the time, they are infringing on my freedom not to have extra lag and my freedom not to have the zone crash when Mitos spawn. (I think you have taken Xanthus's words too literally, I have never seen people "bullied" for capes and auras but since the last 3, 4? attempts have failed due to the servers and not the people I can see why he feels more strongly than usual, there are also increased measures than normal to combat lag)
The biggest problem at Hami raids is lag, Hami dissapears, we have to target through pets, powers stop firing, he breaks free, spawns a mito for every hero crashes the zone, Hami puts up a sign "out for lunch, back in three hours", game over.
There is a reason for the guide, organising people is not easy, this is a raid if you join (volunteer for) a raid organised by someone else then you do what they tell you or you are not helping, dont like it then you are free to organise your own.
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What my point was, but I don't thing anyone got, what happens to your freedom?I know you prefer people not to come in capes and auras because of lag but what if people do?
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The difference is Hamidon is not a regular zone where people go to have a bash and a party and thats what people not realise. It requires a lot of effort from more than 100 people and as the pyramid of authority goes up u find more and more stress and responsibilities gathered on top.It sounds weird yes but while everyone else simply appears outside the Hive the people organising a raid go through a Marathon for many days before the actual raid.During the raid things are seriously hectic.The amount of tells requests spam outside info and the whole coordination part is strenuous enough. Anyone that doesnt understand this feel free to put a raid together and you will see what i mean.
When we are talking about a community effort towards a common goal there is simply no room for much freedom.You need a plan to be set out that people will stick with it and is well thought out. This is how society works.Someone decided to carry the responsibility of organising sets the rules people need to follow and he thinks is best way to achieve and is ready to take the blame.
You know that for every failed raid majority puts the blame on the organisers/leaders of raid and is the leaders that take responsibility for the outcome. So when you decide to take part to such an event cause its volunteer event u cant talk about freedom.There is little freedom when there is a lot of coordination required.People dont really understand this and thats why in raids u see the usuall people saying "sod them what do they know" and then they run to mitos alone cause they think their ubah scrapper can kill the mito or taunt hami or they think they knwo better so they turn on steamy mist to get "protection". And of course when Hami puts the game over sign is all blamed on the organisers.
this might sound harsh but the organiser/leader of a raid has to know when to be harsh and direct.Insulting of course and abuse is out of the question but still a level of control has to be maintained in situations like this.Otherwise the 100 people inside the blob become a mob and is game over for everyone.Many will think [censored] this guy talking about but like everything in life when u wanna do good in something it takes a lot of effort.Cheesy?Maybe but thats the truth.See u all tomorrow in the Hive as i am back from USA and i ll be there with my spoons as well Good luck to organisers.
Krunch has just brought an important point I think needs to be posted here
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Im sorry couldnt resist it.
Back on point though I think this is another sign of how tense things an get just lately. And to be fair I think alot involved are taking this too far.
Maxi all the organisers are saying is common sense about lag. We have as has been said a mosh pit of heroes setting off graphics effects. Powers need to be used. They are part of every partcipants input. Capes and auras are not.
They are excess lag producing effects that carry no value but aesthetics. And so along with the theory we have the tried and tested raids were experiance told organisers x and y are best left out of it.
And so the organisers ask those attending if they would please refrain from using any costumes and powers that serve no purpose in the raids other than to cause empty lag. As time has got on organisers are more insistent due to experiance. And it is merely reccomendation aleit a strong one this guideline is followed. And its considerate to follow it. Is it wrong to ask for someone to be polite? Its just etiquette is all.
Now I can see how from your point that looks like dictatorship but as others have pointed out you have not researched your argument well. Points you make which are inaccurate. But all in all I admire your passion and as a free spirit myself Im all for watching the zealous factor. But you have jumped in both feet first and got the wrong end of the stick. And you also got a simialr response from people who feel just as passionately as you on their views.
Im not talking down to you so I hope you see that when I say I hope a lesson was learned. Im a bit tired to get all the info I meant into this post but the general feeling is there.
Last note TG while I missed the recent raids for reasons discussed in another thread I have never myself felt a failed raid was the fault of the organisers and have said as much to some of the organisers in past raids. Yes ok thats me, but I have never ever come across anyone who felt that raid leaders botched it either.
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Last note TG while I missed the recent raids for reasons discussed in another thread I have never myself felt a failed raid was the fault of the organisers and have said as much to some of the organisers in past raids. Yes ok thats me, but I have never ever come across anyone who felt that raid leaders botched it either.
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Hmmm just to clarify something cause my english and the insane jetlag made me not very clear about what i meant.
I didnt mean people went around blaming the leaders or organisers BUT bottomline is during such things for anything that might go wrong it comes down to those that lead the raid to solve it and anticipate things that might come up. And even if people wont point the finger at the end of a raid successfull or not the leaders of the raid certainly have to carry a lot of the responsibility especially when it all fails.
Even if it all goes perfect and is just due to the server a failure is a failure and leaves a bitter taste to all and especially to the raid leaders due to the amount of effort put and the stress they go through during the raid.
Sounds a bit excessive maybe but thats the way it is..a mass stress with yellow letters from tells all over the screen and broadcasts,requests,GM's,Hami's HP, Teamspseak, lag, powerspam,watching the groups move around,coordinating PA drops,aggro management,yelling at people,repeating orders,adjusting things on the go with the rest raid leaders.Sounds an awful lot and it is.
Anyway point is lets go and have fun, everyone just put their cossies for the raid come there in good spirit and just do their best in coordinating.
Those that dont know anything about a raid should ask the more experienced ones and not hesitate even bug one of the leaders for some quick info.
By the way any new players that need more clarification on what they need know for the raid feel free to send me a tell in game or offline message and i will mail you or pm you some helful things to know.Best i can do to help some people that might not know.
I ll be outside the Hive early as well since i wanna enjoy this raid from the non leading side this time around..
Cya all tomorrow and Lode welcome back 
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Hami die... tonight!!!! bwahahahaha... if not all lvl 50s on a suicide run!!!!!!
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Hami die... tonight!!!! bwahahahaha... if not all lvl 50s on a suicide run!!!!!!
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My lvl 46 will join them
Oh boy, my first raid - I'll be there (in plain black "stealth" cossie)
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Sounds like Statesman and his latest batch of nerfs.
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