Stalkers, as much as i hate to say it... Brutes fair quite well, but everything else is quite easy to take out unless they have Personal Forcefield running 
Best villains AT without the salker !
There's none... Heroes win. 
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Bah! "I don't want stalkers, I don't want this answer..."
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Actually, Stalkers suck in higher level PvP and will be completely obsolete in Recluse's Victory (Lvl 50 PvP zone coming in I7).
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Actually, Stalkers suck in higher level PvP and will be completely obsolete in Recluse's Victory (Lvl 50 PvP zone coming in I7).
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A somewhat blanket statement as it is impossible to make such a claim given that the ability to test it is not in existance yet.
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Actually, Stalkers suck in higher level PvP and will be completely obsolete in Recluse's Victory (Lvl 50 PvP zone coming in I7).
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Besides... why would they?
Anyway, I've been thinking hard and couldn't really think of another class that would do good in PvP.
Brutes need rage, and that's gone once you're dead.
Corruptors are far behind in damage dealing, and no damage = you don't win
Materminds- I haven't seen them in action, but AFAIK most people just go for the mastermind and ignore the pets...
Dominators are a minority in PvP... have seen so few around. :/
That leaves us Stalkers, who are one-hit wonders. High-suprise damage output is damn good in PvP.
I guess if you'd ask for a second spot, it'd be brutes. Cos once they get charged up, they CAN dish a load of damage.
EDIT: Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'd gladly be proven wrong actually. As this is a grim view on how effective villains are in PvP. 
Well at 40-50 every Scrapper and his mother has Focused Accuracy which gives +perception, so if they don't have Stealth+Hide atleast, they're mincemeat.
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Well at 40-50 every Scrapper and his mother has Focused Accuracy which gives +perception, so if they don't have Stealth+Hide atleast, they're mincemeat.
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Hmm... shouldn't stalkers get a lvl 40+ power pool called "super stealth" then?
EDIT: Don't all PvP stalker builds include Hide+Stealth? And I'd like that Focus thingy myself ya know! 
Well since two CMs work at spotting Stalkers with Hide+Stealth I figure Focused Accuracy +Clear Mind/Tactics/various-other-+perception-powers should be able to spot them.
It'll suck to be a Stalker when there's a Dark Armour of SR scrapper around.
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Well since two CMs work at spotting Stalkers with Hide+Stealth I figure Focused Accuracy +Clear Mind/Tactics/various-other-+perception-powers should be able to spot them.
It'll suck to be a Stalker when there's a Dark Armour of SR scrapper around.
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So it's even one less class from that "best PvP class" set.
Oh well, I guess I'll be visiting Sirenes mostly.
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Corruptors are far behind in damage dealing, and no damage = you don't win
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I've not seen a problem with Corruptor damage at any point in PvP. Add Scourge into it, and it's silly how much damage can get dumped onto an opponent.
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Plus the debuff sets can proper screw things up.
Very good for duels, I think.
World of Jackcraft.
Stalkers. What a surprise eh?
Brutes come a distant second but only due to the lack of them that i've seen in Sirens, or anywhere else for that matter.
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For me personally it would have to be either Domi or corrupter. Why? cause I like to do my PvP in teams and I wish villains would do more team PvP (more diversed group PvP I should say. Not all stalker teams) as I think it would make it a lot more interesting for both sides. Personally i refuse to make a stalker
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For me personally it would have to be either Domi or corrupter. Why? cause I like to do my PvP in teams and I wish villains would do more team PvP (more diversed group PvP I should say. Not all stalker teams) as I think it would make it a lot more interesting for both sides. Personally i refuse to make a stalker
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Stalkers seem prevailant only as they can survive long enough in the zones not to get p*ssed off with the lvl 50s bashing on u I wish more of the other ATs would come to Sirens but they are all getting lvld, untill more come in im not bring my brutes to get battered by the huge hoards of lvl 50 heroes (at least not till its lvl 38 and I have my kinetics in tow )
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(at least not till its lvl 38 and I have my kinetics in tow )
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hmm wonder how siphon would work on a stone brute with SB on. Gonna be interesting to find out unless someone likes to inform me before hand? btw who's your kinetics? I'll pay him/her a visit first
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Bah i say! If they get [removed] so easily then they need to stay away How many times as a defender have i suffered from AS before i learned how to mostly avoid it
If my comp could run CoLag I mean CoV I would be there giving heroes hell once in a while. Oh and not all heroes are lvl 50 in sirens *cough* Memnon *Cough*
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(at least not till its lvl 38 and I have my kinetics in tow )
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hmm wonder how siphon would work on a stone brute with SB on. Gonna be interesting to find out unless someone likes to inform me before hand? btw who's your kinetics? I'll pay him/her a visit first
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Bah i say! If they get [removed] so easily then they need to stay away How many times as a defender have i suffered from AS before i learned how to mostly avoid it
If my comp could run CoLag I mean CoV I would be there giving heroes hell once in a while. Oh and not all heroes are lvl 50 in sirens *cough* Memnon *Cough*
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yeah but you are cool and integrate into the pleasant pvp dynamics in sirens, plenty of heroes [censored], whine and even send me abuse via tells even when i havent killed them
As for my kinetics, you know one quite well Gandrol is his name lol. I actually ahve another 3 (minimum) waiting in the wings and a stone brute or two that i know, I wonder if i can organise a 4xGranite 4xKinetic team Get the kinetics equiped with stealth pool with stealth and invisibility when they dont need to be buffing and watch the insanity unfold as a walking mountain runs up to you at mach 6 (Oh and he also has TP foe so even immobile I can bring u close for a pounding )
When I got 3 kinetics together (and my stone brute) and went into a mission i had 6xSBs, I assume there must be some form of a cap but even with rooted i was moving too fast, I could bearly see lol
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Well at 40-50 every Scrapper and his mother has Focused Accuracy which gives +perception, so if they don't have Stealth+Hide atleast, they're mincemeat.
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Depends if the Stalker without Stealth takes time to study his foe's. If he stands 'the default Stalker range' of some 20 odd metres away from his target, then yes his survival rate against these perceptions will not be too good. However if he uses his head, adapts and actually stalks ( ) he can get by.
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all archtypes have thier pros and cons towards PvP,
it is almost impossible to judge which archtype is the best. IMO it entirly comes down to;
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Player Skill,
Player Powers,
Opponent-s / Team.
stalker is by far the best in pvp, then again saying that i only made one becuase of player v Player. come to sirens and i will show you why :P
I did take my mm to pvp he was able to get the occasional kill especailly if it was a one on one fight. but they dont seem to happen often.
if i had to pick a best hero build for player vs player it would be blaster, having the most advantage being good ranged damage dealers.
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Sadly kinetic corrupters are easily disposed off by kinetic defenders in sirens (least I haven't met one that put up a decent challenge) as they lack that vital Transference
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I do know you have TP foe. You've mentioned this before or I've seen you use it. I keep a mental note of these things
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So you will have forgotten it by teatime then :P
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Hi all !
For you, what's the best AT for villains in PVP ?