I have to admit that the dominator feels quite right for me. With my toon at level 23 there are enough powers to choose from which will help the team.
Depending on team size and difficulty domination can kick in quite often (there are even times when I forget to activate it 
). When soloing I usually get to fire it up at least twice but I also tend to save for something big.
You probably are right that dominators are the least played AT but maybe all the controller fans want to try out something else. 
I'm not sure about the damage but I wouldn't think the dominator damage output is lower than that of a corruptor or even a mastermind.
Plus, your team will be grateful if you can hold or slow down the second or third boss when they're still busy with the first.
That's my opinion anyway!
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I lvoe being a dominator, a couple of dominators in a team are very effective at locking down most things! 
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I lvoe being a dominator, a couple of dominators in a team are very effective at locking down most things!
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you're lucky if you get that many... I think I've been in one team with more than one dominator in. It was amazing while it lasted.
I'm only level 12 and did find I wasn't that useful in an 8 person team. It seems to be getting better slowly. Feels a lot like controllers did until quite recently (in terms of damage output).
I agree that my brute, MM(s), corruptor(s) and even stalker seem to do more damage. I level so slowly solo compared to all my other villains. But I managed (at level 10) to solo 2 level 10 elite bosses in back to back missions, taking 20 minutes total (the mobs took more time than the bosses). I don't think I could do that with any other build, except possibly my MMs (which in my opinion are a little overpowered). If it wasn't for the nagging feeling I have that once I hit the 30s with this dominator it will be awesome, I'd have deleted it by now.
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I dont think its just you btw.
There are a hulluva lot of stalkers roaming but i noticed a wee decline in MM's from Beta.
When summit is new everyone wants one(remember sonic and archery?) but then you get left with the 'born to dominator' players *waves*
Personally i love both of mine, now if Icould just sellte on a main....... 
It is definately not the dominator's strength that is the problem, I guess they are more dominating then damaging and that keeps some folks away. Being a dominator to me at least is a bit slow when soloing and you don't seem to be as busy in combats as everyone else when in groups. With all that said I love my dominator and laugh everytime my team mates tell me that dominators are too strong and will be the first thing to be nerfed.
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I love my dominator and have a second one waiting in the wings for when I've hit the level cap with this one. Our damage aint too hot sure but hell there's some good survivability in there. Sure doms aren't the best solo AT for CoV (would probably hazard a guess at the worst) but in a team I often feel like I make a difference.
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They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
I have an lvl24 ice/ice and feel that with Ice Slick and Arctic Air I make a big difference in teams.My damage however, except when Dominating, might as well not be there, it feels so negligible. I'm hoping things get better when I get the attacks slotted with SOs.
Pre-stamina, soloing was hell. I could blow my entire endurance bar killing three even con minions, without using anything but Block of Ice and my 3 single target attacks. It's a little better now as at least I don't run out of end mid-fight anymore, but I still think the mobs are basically bored to death. I was doing an old mission to finish an arc the other day and it took me at least 3 hits to kill a -6 minion (they were Heroes if that makes a difference).
That said, increasing damage much would make us über.
I think dominators could maybe use a little tweaking, such as reducing the endurance costs for the secondary, maybe even recharge times for some of the powers. Or maybe a tiny increase in damage after all?
Think I'd rather the endurance and recharge decrese than damage, dont mind not being the damage king but have to wait a long time for attacks and feel the end/damage relationship isn't great.
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
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Think I'd rather the endurance and recharge decrese than damage, dont mind not being the damage king but have to wait a long time for attacks and feel the end/damage relationship isn't great.
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Yes I think I'd prefer that as well. It would be a subtle difference that would in no way overpower us.
BTW, I take it Frost Wolf is your dominator? How did you find life at lvls 25-30? Is Frost Breath any good, or do you have it at all?
I have all the powers from my secondry available.
Frost breath is good, but its taken me a while to work out its cone and I still haven't got it 100% right yet. Its not a very visual power so you have to know where you are hitting. It does the damage in two ticks so the numbers that appear above groups distorts who you have hit. It and Ice Sword Circle are my main offence and both are well equiped with slots (but waiting till next level to put SOs in them)
Usually I hate the 25-30 levels but it didn't seem too bad this time, but I was in some very good teams which always helps. Certain groups I find really hard work, long bow have too many things that fly and I've not got Glacier slotted up enough to deal with them yet, and nullifiers make me swear. I have collected the first debt badge, but most of my debt I got this week, and I think I just had a bad few days.
Hard part is I'm not ranged or mellee on attacks yet, that wont happen till I get the next two, cause there's not enough of one or the other to cycle. Ice Sowrd Circle eats a silly amount of end as well.
End costs reducing and recharge getting better would really make the whole thing ideal for me.
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
I'm considering dropping Ice Sword Circle in the 1st respec, because I find the end usage silly too, and the animation is ridiculously long. It also recharges really slowly. The only problem is that then Frost Breath would be my only AoE/cone attack... so I just don't know.
Once I have all 6 SO's in it I will tell you how it preforms then, it is without a doubt the most damaging attack in the set up to my level and I have a feeling it could be great.
If I had to choose would pick it over frost breath cause all the people I hit with it are sat in my aura's so may be confused and should definitely be slowed so their responses to it might not kill me, Frost Breath is not the same cause it extends beyond my aura's and has had me hit by a volley of grenades before sending me straight to floor eating.
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
I just created a Dominator this weekend, and it was a very pleasing experience - definately one Ill keep as a regular alt and start playing a bit more when I get my Brute to level 40 
I went for a pure psychic powered toon, and at least it worked pretty well up to level 8 - and the whole Domination super-buff of doom makes it all feel fresh.
On the downside it made playing my CoH Controller seem pretty drab and depressing
Yeah my Ice/FF 'troller got deleted after I'd played my dominator for a few days. Though I am thinking of a grav/storm troller, cant do storm on CoV........ mind you I have a lot of CoV left to do first as I see it, so many things I want to play.
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
My Dominator certainly feels somewhat underpowered. I can't believe they only have 65% effectiveness of Controller powers. Was wondering why Flashfire only dazed them for seconds... Was looking forward to level 18 and the group hold but this 65% thing combined with the hits AOE holds took in I5 makes me think it mightn't be worth it.
Also since I'm Fire/Thorns the AOE generates so much hate I die in seconds. And since I've no form of heal and feel bad about going "Heal me" every 5 seconds I've just sort of given up on him as he's little fun.
Personally I think the Dominator primaries should be reworked to throw a heal or two and a self-buff or two in.
Hopefully in a team with someone who has healing you dont have to yell "heal me" at all.
If all goes well I reign supreme, if my hold misses, or they resist the slows in my powers I die. Its not a bad feeling, and one SO's should help me balance more in my favour.
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
I have actually found that the timing and effectiveness of the Dominator powers is fine - you can still chain single-target powers for perma-holding (against one target) of equal level or up to 1 or 2 levels higher, as long as you don't miss.
What I find disturbing is that if you use any AoE holds, you are generally in major trouble because of the aggro it generates against you. With no Tank taunts to pull the mobs off, life expectancy is very short...leading me to no longer use my AoE stuff except in specific situations.
Yeah can chain hold one foe easily enough, but the AoE takes too long to come back, only get it about 1 in 3 fights.
Its how long my larger attacks take to come back the concerns me, Ice Sword Circle is the only thing I have with any sort of damage out put, it takes forever it seems. Frost Breath is nice too but I have to be careful not to agro anyone outside the area of my auras. If my ice sword, ice sword circle and AoE holds all came back sooner would feel comfortable soloing, just dont at the moment.
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
i know they shouldnt be the kings of damage but i do think dominators should be exelent at somthing..
maybe there powers recharge really fast.
it help are aoes and let us do more damage..
Well just to throw my two cents in...
My gravity/energy controller is really pretty powerful if you ask me. I could probably hold my own in damage compared to a corruptor pretty well between propel/power blast, and I get control on the side.
I don't solo a lot though, I duo with a mastermind who can keep a good chunk of aggro off me. This is probably what'll save me when I get crushing field and need to use it. Then again I haven't wished for Crushing Field except against foes that are woefully inadequate at range and way strong in melee (damn trolls).
Plus you know... Domination is good.
Dominators IMHO just should be played more blasty and less controllerish and they're fine. Of course, I took the controller set that has propel, that probably helps me personally.
EDIT: To clarify. Dominators are not controllers, don't even try to play one like one. You get a lot of damage dealing capabilities and domination, use them.
Ice is less blasterish and more blapperish, but the slow recharge is what kills you, nothing else.
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
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I have actually found that the timing and effectiveness of the Dominator powers is fine - you can still chain single-target powers for perma-holding (against one target) of equal level or up to 1 or 2 levels higher, as long as you don't miss.
What I find disturbing is that if you use any AoE holds, you are generally in major trouble because of the aggro it generates against you. With no Tank taunts to pull the mobs off, life expectancy is very short...leading me to no longer use my AoE stuff except in specific situations.
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I really don't want to be a Character whose raison d'etre is to lock down one or two mobs though. I should be able to deal with a lot more than than. I think the Damage side of things is fine, no issues with that at all but the lack of control I currently have is very depressing. Maybe when I can afford DOs for Flashfire it may make a difference.
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Well just to throw my two cents in...
My gravity/energy controller is really pretty powerful if you ask me. I could probably hold my own in damage compared to a corruptor pretty well between propel/power blast, and I get control on the side.
I don't solo a lot though, I duo with a mastermind who can keep a good chunk of aggro off me. This is probably what'll save me when I get crushing field and need to use it. Then again I haven't wished for Crushing Field except against foes that are woefully inadequate at range and way strong in melee (damn trolls).
Plus you know... Domination is good.
Dominators IMHO just should be played more blasty and less controllerish and they're fine. Of course, I took the controller set that has propel, that probably helps me personally.
EDIT: To clarify. Dominators are not controllers, don't even try to play one like one. You get a lot of damage dealing capabilities and domination, use them.
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Was thinking of a Grav/Psi controller over the weekend. The damage combos would mean you'd never have an enemy whose resistant to all your attacks. Plus Psi has a long range so it might keep you out of trouble.
Well like I said, I play grav/enr and I can only comment from that. I'm happy with my damage although a corruptor will -probably- outblast me. (I'd like to see them try though) My endurance problem isn't bad at all, and by the time it will be I'll be getting stamina and a few choice end redux slots on some end heavy powers and I should be fine.
Control is lacking, I spam Crush at things and keep them out of melee. Melee is the killer, a cobra in melee will kill you faster than you can say "ZOMGSQUISHYDOMINATOR". But this is why you have Crush! Without any enhancement but 1 acc I can effectively keep enough stuff out of melee to survive.
Gravity Distortion is what I use on bosses, high damage LTs, and when neither of those are available, choice minions that are still at full HP.
Even when Soloing at the 2nd difficulty level I don't have too much trouble. Crush and GD whittle away their lives. My energy knockback powers Power Bolt and Power Blast knock some down, propel knocks things down, so even then I can effectively hold 3/4 mobs off me at a time. And this is solo.
Boss mobs tend to be ow. I haven't dealt with the Lost's Rectors on my own, those could be a world of hurt. Fortunately if I can't GD them and they sleep me I can usually run. I suppose stocking up on breaks would be smart. Play smart and keep domination on your hand for them: hold their minions, then focus on the boss mob to kill it. Running isn't a shame against boss mobs but for gods sake if you're under Domination finish them first.
Miss streaks kill. I will start up on a group of minions, solo, by going crush, GD, propel/powerblast/powerbolt, crush, GD, crush, propel/powerblast/powerbolt. Run a lot and keep them out of melee. Hold them in series: as in the mobs you held at the start will be behind anyway. Hold the closer mobs when your holds become available. Keep them out of melee and on their backs.
Between propel/powerblast/powerbolt and a DoT I can easily off a minion with that single attack chain. If they're not dead after the attacks, GD or crush them for the last inch.
That's basically how I play my grav/enr. Like I said I haven't tried any other powersets yet (I plan to, but I'm waiting on more RAM to play CoV proper ) but my current choice has me a very happy camper, and I'm even more useful in teams between my blasting which isn't negligable at all and my single target holds.
EDIT: Inspirations are your friend. I forgot to say this. Inspirations can and will save your [censored] in all sorts of circumstance, keep a healthy balance. I've used for no reason and deleted inspires during missions of which I had too many duplicates to get more types. Don't be afraid to do this: you don't want to get with yellows and blues when what you need are greens.
it seems to me that dominators are a large minority on CoV i hardly ever see other dominators other than my self.
is this cause are control powers are only 65% effectivinus of controllers or is it we deal the less damage of all archtypes in cov.
the point that iam getting at is that dominators got screwed a bit they do need a little buff be it health damage or control.
dominators are a huge minority and well i can see why, my dominator is 18 and well the other archtypes are way more useful than me
i know domination makes powerful but in a mission ill only have it up once if iam lucky and well usally its right at the end and well by the time i click it theres only like one group left...
Dominators need to live up to there name.
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