MS Office 2010 include free, online version
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Posted on: 2009-07-18 18:10 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
So I never have to install an office suite again? I can get the striped down version of Office without all the "value added" features I couldn't give two [naughty word] about?
AWESOME!! Thanks, I hadn't heard this.
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So I never have to install an office suite again? I can get the striped down version of Office without all the "value added" features I couldn't give two [naughty word] about?
AWESOME!! Thanks, I hadn't heard this.
And you're right, that actress sucked!
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Another added bonus! No more MS junk installed on your PC!
Although if they do any like Google Docs they m ay provide some plugin that may let you work offline and sync in case you are forced to be without internet connection. Never bothering with that plugin with Google Docs, though.
Another bonus: never loosing your files due to a computer crash! 
On the bad side, seems they are sticking to the stupid ribbon thing instead of a menu bar... oh well, I can live with it, hate it but every time I use it for a few weeks I do get used to it.
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Oh and for the rest of you out there, this also means you wont have to pirate Office ever again, you can now use it free online, well not now, once it comes out.
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Never had to pirate Office. OpenOffice is free.
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Oh and for the rest of you out there, this also means you wont have to pirate Office ever again, you can now use it free online, well not now, once it comes out.
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Never had to pirate Office. OpenOffice is free.
[/ QUOTE ]I never had to pirate Office, because my dad had a blanket license to the whole Office suite
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Oh and for the rest of you out there, this also means you wont have to pirate Office ever again, you can now use it free online, well not now, once it comes out.
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Never had to pirate Office. OpenOffice is free.
[/ QUOTE ]It also feels like steering an [censored] on stilts.
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Oh and for the rest of you out there, this also means you wont have to pirate Office ever again, you can now use it free online, well not now, once it comes out.
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Never had to pirate Office. OpenOffice is free.
[/ QUOTE ]It also feels like steering an [censored] on stilts.
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I spent 20 minutes fighting with Writer to get it to properly display a graph comparing three equations.
Ind. Variable: X. Dependent Equations: y1, y2, y3.
Should work, so I input the values and get:
X y1 X y3
Fix, inputting the values again:
X X y2 y3
Fix, again:
X y1 y2 X
Fix, again:
X y1 X y3
I mean, yes, I can do the work in Calc (or Math, whatever their name for it is) as well but I like being able to make on-the-fly changes if necessary as opposed to having to copy and paste from another program. I pretty quickly dug out my Office 2010 disks after that...
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I use OpenOffice, because I can't afford Office. But let me tell you, there's a [censored] reason that they can charge hundreds of dollars for Office and OpenOffice is free.
"Through Windows Live". Hmm.
I'll wait to see how it works exactly before cheering.
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Oh and for the rest of you out there, this also means you wont have to pirate Office ever again, you can now use it free online, well not now, once it comes out.
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Never had to pirate Office. OpenOffice is free.
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I tried that, my company uses it because they are cheap like that but it does really not compare with the feature set in MS Office, reason why us developers and the rest of IT and management get actual MS Office copies and Open Office is given just to regular staff.
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"Through Windows Live". Hmm.
I'll wait to see how it works exactly before cheering.
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Not related to XBox Live, btw. Live is just Microsoft's label for Online Services. I doubt it will be much different than google docs integration with the rest of Google's Mail and other online services.
Well, I don't play consoles so I don't know what Xbox live is. My negative experience comes from Fallout 3 and Dawn of War 2.
Xbox Live, Windows Games Live, its basically the same thing, although I hear the Windows side of things sucks. Never used it, though.
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I tried that, my company uses it because they are cheap like that but it does really not compare with the feature set in MS Office, reason why us developers and the rest of IT and management get actual MS Office copies and Open Office is given just to regular staff.
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It's a matter of what your requirements are. I do have MS Office, but in practice I generally use TeX/LaTeX for writing/typesetting; I get much better handling of equations and better version control as well as superior integration of external content (use of PostScript/PDF files in MS Word always was less than satisfactory, as was programmatically generated content that didn't happen to be an Excel graph/sheet). And I tend to use programming languages rather than Excel if I have to do complex calculations, so the interaction with Excel is a moot point. MS Word is still nice for the occasional dead-tree letter, of course, even if it's a bit of overkill.
Obviously, the lack of WYSIWYG with TeX-style typesetting software is a downside for most users, but for me the downsides of MS Office (or OpenOffice.org, for that matter) are generally bigger. I still keep MS Office and OpenOffice.org around for the odd job for which they are superior.
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Obviously, the lack of WYSIWYG with TeX-style typesetting software is a downside for most users
[/ QUOTE ]Have you ever tried Wolfram's Mathematica? It's not quite TeX, but it does do typesetting and equations. I know the CS chair at my university has used it to write a textbook, for example.
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I use OpenOffice, because I can't afford Office. But let me tell you, there's a [censored] reason that they can charge hundreds of dollars for Office and OpenOffice is free.
[/ QUOTE ] You are looking in the wrong places then, there are legit sites that sell even the fullest loaded edition of office for less than $60.
Also I am pretty sure they are going to do this with Windows 7 and office 2010 too. 
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Obviously, the lack of WYSIWYG with TeX-style typesetting software is a downside for most users
[/ QUOTE ]Have you ever tried Wolfram's Mathematica? It's not quite TeX, but it does do typesetting and equations. I know the CS chair at my university has used it to write a textbook, for example.
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The thing is that WYSIWYG is (for me) not a sufficiently high priority compared to my other needs.
First of all, WYSIWYG generally doesn't help me much. I do my proofreading and editing using printouts, not on-screen display, even when I use software with WYSIWYG capability. It's simply a more effective way of editing. WYSIWYG helps me with controlling the layout, but that's not a big concern for me.
Conversely, I have requirements that are not satisfied by proprietary document formats:
(1) Version control. Everything I write gets checked into a Mercurial repository, even if I work on something alone. But mostly I also collaborate with at least one other person, so a shared repository that we all have access to is generally our best choice. Word or OpenOffice.org versioning is not a suitable replacement for modern version control software.
(2) A non-trivial part of what I put in papers is programmatically generated, such as program output being turned into tables, pretty-printed pseudo-code, diagrams and graphs generated with GLE. Generating LaTeX programmatically is much easier than, say, RTF, and it also enables me to have a build process using SCons ensuring that whenever I or somebody else changes anything anywhere, I get up-to-date, correct PDF output.
There are a couple more features of TeX that I am rather fond of, too, but they are properties of the software and are not related to document formats.
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(1) Version control. Everything I write gets checked into a Mercurial repository, even if I work on something alone. But mostly I also collaborate with at least one other person, so a shared repository that we all have access to is generally our best choice. Word or OpenOffice.org versioning is not a suitable replacement for modern version control software.
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If this online version is anything like Google Docs, it will have version control. Google Docs does, and It's a feature I love. The ability to roll back to previous edit have saved many charts from being lost forever!
I am not sure I understand what the TeX features you talking about are, never dealt with that (at least not by that name so am lost)
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If this online version is anything like Google Docs, it will have version control. Google Docs does, and It's a feature I love. The ability to roll back to previous edit have saved many charts from being lost forever!
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What you're talking about is more having a history of changes (which is already pretty useful, but not quite what I mean). When I say "version control", I mean the full feature set that modern version control systems such as Mercurial, Subversion, Bazaar, or Git have, which is considerably more than just a revision history.
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I am not sure I understand what the TeX features you talking about are, never dealt with that (at least not by that name so am lost)
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Actually, these aren't related to TeX at all, just to the fact that TeX documents are straight text files.
Version control is definitely, by definition, what you have on google docs. Something more robust is, of course, more robust and perhaps personally more desirable. Sometimes, though, we just have to go shopping in the mini-van instead of the ATV with transforming boat option and helicopter attachment. 
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I am not sure I understand what the TeX features you talking about are, never dealt with that (at least not by that name so am lost)
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Actually, these aren't related to TeX at all, just to the fact that TeX documents are straight text files.
[/ QUOTE ]Well, so are Mathematica notebooks, which is why I suggested it 
I also like the ability to have folding sections.
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Version control is definitely, by definition, what you have on google docs.
[/ QUOTE ]No it's not. Google Docs doesn't even pretend to call it version control: right in their menu, it's called "Revision history".
Version control would imply some control over the versions, like merging versions or getting locks on segments of the repository.
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Version control is definitely, by definition, what you have on google docs. Something more robust is, of course, more robust and perhaps personally more desirable. Sometimes, though, we just have to go shopping in the mini-van instead of the ATV with transforming boat option and helicopter attachment.
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Google Docs lacks branching and merging in order to be considered to have something resembling modern version control. (This is not a complaint, since creating these features for, say, spreadsheets is very much a non-trivial exercise.)
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Well, so are Mathematica notebooks, which is why I suggested it
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I didn't realize that (I knew that you could export Mathematica formulas to LaTeX, though). Is it reasonably useful outside of Mathematica or an obscure markup language? After all, Framemaker's MIF format is technically also text (like RTF), but far harder to generate by outside tools (bad memories here from having to write my MS thesis in Framemaker on a Sun4).
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Now, why on earth am I posting this in the Archetypes and Powers section? Well, if you are hardcore number cruncher like me you likely are very familiar with both: Excel and Google Docs. You may stick offline in Excel due to google Docs raw feel, or prefer Google Docs due to the huge sharing and colaboration advantages that come with it being online.
Well, coming 2010, all of us true number crunchers will get access to online versions of Excel that will likely make Google Docs look ... even more raw.
Now... if MS could just hire good actors for to do their presentations... that woman was stiffer than a popsicle...
Oh and for the rest of you out there, this also means you wont have to pirate Office ever again, you can now use it free online, well not now, once it comes out.