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Going from Level 9 to Level 16 Within 1 AE Mission

AncientSpirit_NA

By AncientSpirit_NA,
Posted on: 2009-07-06 07:58 in Mission Architect

 

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Also, my point was, that if those missions are not "exploits" then I don't see how an AE mission with identical mobs could be either.

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I don't believe I said it was an exploit. I was simply referring to the ease of creating easily defeated custom mobs that have essentially no defense. Are you going to make a custom group of Psi/Psi Bosses for your Invul Tank's AE farm or go with bosses that do nothing but S/L? Kind of a no brainer.

I'm also not saying that people shouldn't be doing those kinds of things. But content like the Mitos where they can be killed with no risk is an exploit.

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Um I thought a few pages ago you said it was an exploit and that there was absolutely no risk in fighting 17 level 54 lieuts with less-than-l33t powerset choices. W/e. TBH I agree Mitos are exploits but I'm still going to use them if I get the chance because I, like many others, am completely repulsed by the thought of taking longer than necessary to do my least favorite part of the game (the non-50 part).

 

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The Infernal and Battle Maiden missions have stayed unchanged for over three years so I don't think that they are planning any changes for them.

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Given that it took three years to change Psychic Shockwave, I don't feel that this argument has much validity.

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Also, my point was, that if those missions are not "exploits" then I don't see how an AE mission with identical mobs could be either.

I'm not saying that it's impossible to make missions that are abusive, just that the damage type that the mobs in the mission do or do not do cannot be the only criteria that a mission is judged upon.

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You may be right there. Making a custom mob that has easily mitigated damage only really matters if you were otherwise going to be in danger of being defeated. For many farming characters, that's not necessary - you're already "survivable enough" even before damage type optimization is taken into account.

It does become a problem in the AE though when you combine it with the ability to scale the enemy difficulty upwards by making factions with no minions. In some cases, all-boss factions can be faced successfully only by also optimizing damage types.

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I agree that being able to customize the mob levels in a group (minions, LTs and Bosses) can be overused, but since the mobs have the appropriate HPs, Damage Levels, attacks and regeneration rate for their category I still see little difference in that versus a mission like the Infernal one which my Fire tank can take on solo in record time.

Fifteen minutes to farm 1500 tickets in AE vs a ton of salvage and recipies in the Infernal mission sure seems like the same risk vs reward to me.

 

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Um I thought a few pages ago you said it was an exploit and that there was absolutely no risk in fighting 17 level 54 lieuts with less-than-l33t powerset choices. W/e. TBH I agree Mitos are exploits but I'm still going to use them if I get the chance because I, like many others, am completely repulsed by the thought of taking longer than necessary to do my least favorite part of the game (the non-50 part).

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Seriously Rikti, if you have toons that can not easily survive level 54 Lts and Bosses that are custom tailored to be as weak as possible against your toons strengths, then you just plain stink. I also never said it was an exploit.

If you can apply a little reading comprehension, the discussion is referring to new players coming into the game that believe the AE is the entire game. Also, given the choice of the easy road to 50 within a few hours by running quick-and-easy AE farm missions or at least trying some of the other content, it's a safe bet what route most will go.

Something like the Mitos is an exploit. Creating farms of NPCs custom tailored to be as weak as possible against you is not, but also not necessarily good for the game overall either.

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Founding Member and Leader : Shadow-Force
Co-Leader: Council of Heroes
"Whatever evils come this way... we will be there to stop them."

 

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Um I thought a few pages ago you said it was an exploit and that there was absolutely no risk in fighting 17 level 54 lieuts with less-than-l33t powerset choices. W/e. TBH I agree Mitos are exploits but I'm still going to use them if I get the chance because I, like many others, am completely repulsed by the thought of taking longer than necessary to do my least favorite part of the game (the non-50 part).

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Seriously Rikti, if you have toons that can not easily survive level 54 Lts and Bosses that are custom tailored to be as weak as possible against your toons strengths, then you just plain stink. I also never said it was an exploit.

If you can apply a little reading comprehension, the discussion is referring to new players coming into the game that believe the AE is the entire game. Also, given the choice of the easy road to 50 within a few hours by running quick-and-easy AE farm missions or at least trying some of the other content, it's a safe bet what route most will go.

Something like the Mitos is an exploit. Creating farms of NPCs custom tailored to be as weak as possible against you is not, but also not necessarily good for the game overall either.

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But by the same token its easy to find enemy groups that already exist that are completely tailored to be useless against a chosen powerset in the regular content.

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But by the same token its easy to find enemy groups that already exist that are completely tailored to be useless against a chosen powerset in the regular content.

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Oh...... you mean how Council are to my Kheldians? and how most things are to my Ill/Rad or Plant/Thorn Dominator?!

Yeah, you'd be surprised how easy this game gets when you build right and play right.

I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!

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But by the same token its easy to find enemy groups that already exist that are completely tailored to be useless against a chosen powerset in the regular content.

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The major difference being you do have to leave the AE building to find them.

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Co-Leader: Council of Heroes
"Whatever evils come this way... we will be there to stop them."

 

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The major difference being you do have to leave the AE building to find them.

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And yet, when I was doing the Unai Kemen story arc on my PB, those Maltas found me! Darn you Sappers!

I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!

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I agree that being able to customize the mob levels in a group (minions, LTs and Bosses) can be overused, but since the mobs have the appropriate HPs, Damage Levels, attacks and regeneration rate for their category I still see little difference in that versus a mission like the Infernal one which my Fire tank can take on solo in record time.

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I've seen someone taken from 1 to 50 in 6 hours using a custom AE mission built around fire damage. I don't think that's mathematically possible in the PvE Infernal mission.

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They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
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We can't force people to stop using the AE for fast 50's, but it seems like the average person doesnt give them a whole lot of incentive to stop when they try to.

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Some of us on Triumph are running a weekend long, server wide event to help newer players learn the game and explore other areas the game has to offer.

Not everyone treats newer players badly.

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Thats good to hear at leats. I get annoyed at how often people seem to rage about the AE in broadcast in Atlas when I pop into virtue yet when people try to ask "wheres so and so zone" people rage at them. ;/

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I think you'll find the same on every server. They may be less vocal, but there are definitely players around who are willing to help new people learn the ropes.

If we can help one new player enjoy the game outside from AE, our goal for the event is accomplished. I'm looking forward to our multi-Kronos spawn in KR. Those are always fun

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Founding Member and Leader : Shadow-Force
Co-Leader: Council of Heroes
"Whatever evils come this way... we will be there to stop them."

 

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I agree that being able to customize the mob levels in a group (minions, LTs and Bosses) can be overused, but since the mobs have the appropriate HPs, Damage Levels, attacks and regeneration rate for their category I still see little difference in that versus a mission like the Infernal one which my Fire tank can take on solo in record time.

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I've seen someone taken from 1 to 50 in 6 hours using a custom AE mission built around fire damage. I don't think that's mathematically possible in the PvE Infernal mission.

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If true, that would be fairly abusive and I agree that it probably isn't possible to duplicate that on the Infernal map due to the need for a 3rd character to be in there to act as a bridge for the level 1.

However I do know that I have managed to level a friend's alt to level 15 in a little over one hour using My Fire Tank, an alt to mid from my wife's account and the Infernal mission. (and a map set for 8)

That was as far as we pushed it though as he just wanted to be up to the point of having a travel power.

However, it does give some comparison that "insane" power leveling isn't the sole providence of the AE Studios but can be accomplished fairly easily in the Dev created content as well.

 

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lol @ 1-15 in one hour, people honestly think that's fast? I would quit the team if it was that slow nowadays.

 

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OMG I SEEN SOMEONE HACK!!!! I'M TELLING POSITRON!!!

OMG... someone with a fire shield made enemies with fire attacks so they don't do much damage to them! And they bring a earth controller to stop them from running away and use a BURN PATCH!!!! OMG! EXPLOITING!

PLUS!!! I also see them using purple inspirations so the enemies can't hit them! OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT EXPLOIT!

OMG.... OMG... OMG... I'm so worries about what other people do, I spend all day watching everyone! o.o

I can do 1-15 in like 10 min's

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