Is this a farm?


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I entered a mission the other day where all the mobs were LTs. and it was on a common farm map, Map 02. And there was no story to speak of.

So I figured it was a farm.

However, instead of all the mobs being the same kind, these were all custom ... kind of like the Justice League of America, except their names and costumes were nothing like the JLA.

But it was clear who they were supposed to be. A black clad, black caped martial artist ... a HUGE invul/ss tank all in green and yellow ... an yellow clad archer ... a very UGLY and SCARRED sonic gal in fishnets ... and so forth. All with the different power sets of the JLA.

So is this a farm? (It wasn't playing to any specific strength or weakness; wide variety of melee and ranged ATs, and fliers) There is no story. Just a Kill All mission. (though the status said Story in Progress, or some sort)

Is it a copyright infraction? The intent is clearly the JLA but there are no similar character names or costumes? Is that the difference between a copyright infraction and a homage?

I don't know what to make of this thing. I'm not looking to report it or anything ... so I won't list its name or number ... but I am curious.


 

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That's what I would call a tribute mission. Unless you specifically rip a costume, name, background, etc, it usually doesn't constitute copyright infringement.

Now... is it a farm? Hell if I know. I don't quite understand the rules on that one or if they really care anymore now that they nerfed it to be reasonable xp. I can tell you there's far worse instances of missions you could farm out there. If you classify that as a farm, you could really classify some of the dev's missions as such as well.

More likely a tribute mission with poor writing.


 

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Sounds like someone was/is just having fun with MA.

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Is it a copyright infraction?

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No, it's a homage, which is fair game.


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Work in progress is a legit state to be published. An obvious homage mission that at some point when the author has time away from RL stuff like, work, marriage, kids, other entertainment, they will finish up their mish.

People need to relax on the entire is this a farm issue IMHO of course.


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I entered a mission the other day where all the mobs were LTs. and it was on a common farm map, Map 02. And there was no story to speak of.

So I figured it was a farm.

However, instead of all the mobs being the same kind, these were all custom ... kind of like the Justice League of America, except their names and costumes were nothing like the JLA.

But it was clear who they were supposed to be. A black clad, black caped martial artist ... a HUGE invul/ss tank all in green and yellow ... an yellow clad archer ... a very UGLY and SCARRED sonic gal in fishnets ... and so forth. All with the different power sets of the JLA.

So is this a farm? (It wasn't playing to any specific strength or weakness; wide variety of melee and ranged ATs, and fliers) There is no story. Just a Kill All mission. (though the status said Story in Progress, or some sort)

Is it a copyright infraction? The intent is clearly the JLA but there are no similar character names or costumes? Is that the difference between a copyright infraction and a homage?

I don't know what to make of this thing. I'm not looking to report it or anything ... so I won't list its name or number ... but I am curious.

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Since it's all LT's, it can be farmed... Is it an optimal farm? No .... It doesn't sound like the intent of the mission is to be a farm... Just hard...


 

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I entered a mission the other day where all the mobs were LTs. and it was on a common farm map, Map 02. And there was no story to speak of.

So I figured it was a farm.

However, instead of all the mobs being the same kind, these were all custom ... kind of like the Justice League of America, except their names and costumes were nothing like the JLA.

But it was clear who they were supposed to be. A black clad, black caped martial artist ... a HUGE invul/ss tank all in green and yellow ... an yellow clad archer ... a very UGLY and SCARRED sonic gal in fishnets ... and so forth. All with the different power sets of the JLA.

So is this a farm? (It wasn't playing to any specific strength or weakness; wide variety of melee and ranged ATs, and fliers) There is no story. Just a Kill All mission. (though the status said Story in Progress, or some sort)

Is it a copyright infraction? The intent is clearly the JLA but there are no similar character names or costumes? Is that the difference between a copyright infraction and a homage?

I don't know what to make of this thing. I'm not looking to report it or anything ... so I won't list its name or number ... but I am curious.

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Since it's all LT's, it can be farmed... Is it an optimal farm? No .... It doesn't sound like the intent of the mission is to be a farm... Just hard...

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I farm a LT. mission with 6 different damage types.


 

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I entered a mission the other day where all the mobs were LTs. and it was on a common farm map, Map 02. And there was no story to speak of.

So I figured it was a farm.

However, instead of all the mobs being the same kind, these were all custom ... kind of like the Justice League of America, except their names and costumes were nothing like the JLA.

But it was clear who they were supposed to be. A black clad, black caped martial artist ... a HUGE invul/ss tank all in green and yellow ... an yellow clad archer ... a very UGLY and SCARRED sonic gal in fishnets ... and so forth. All with the different power sets of the JLA.

So is this a farm? (It wasn't playing to any specific strength or weakness; wide variety of melee and ranged ATs, and fliers) There is no story. Just a Kill All mission. (though the status said Story in Progress, or some sort)

Is it a copyright infraction? The intent is clearly the JLA but there are no similar character names or costumes? Is that the difference between a copyright infraction and a homage?

I don't know what to make of this thing. I'm not looking to report it or anything ... so I won't list its name or number ... but I am curious.

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Since it's all LT's, it can be farmed... Is it an optimal farm? No .... It doesn't sound like the intent of the mission is to be a farm... Just hard...

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I farm a LT. mission with 6 different damage types.

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As I said, it can be farmed, but it's not optimal.

Edit: Good way to avoid the ban hammer.


 

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It was a farm in my opinion.<ul type="square">[*]All Lts.[/list]A group that is not composed of minions, LT, and bosses definitely has a statistical advantage - otherwise why do it?


If it was just a one-mission arc with no story then I would say it is a farm based on that as well. There really is no excuse for making a arc without a story if it is only one mission.
Farmer's are going to tend to avoid multi-missions arcs as they are in it for the quick turn around that running the same "one" mission yields.


I can't get a call from the DEVs on what exactly the "no parody and no derivative works" actually is supposed to cover, but this seems to fit that. You could see who an individual character was supposed to be. You could see a whole team of individual characters that were very much like a team in a DC comic. I think that the rule was definitely mean to to catch and remove this kind of thing before another lawsuit starts.
It should be reported so that the DEVs/moderators/GM/customer support or whoever can make the call in order to protect this game for all of us.

There was a discussion about the "no parody and no derivative works" rule on this thread ::
https://boards.cityofheroes.com/show...8066&amp;page=


 

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I entered a mission the other day where all the mobs were LTs. and it was on a common farm map, Map 02. And there was no story to speak of.

So I figured it was a farm.

However, instead of all the mobs being the same kind, these were all custom ... kind of like the Justice League of America, except their names and costumes were nothing like the JLA.

But it was clear who they were supposed to be. A black clad, black caped martial artist ... a HUGE invul/ss tank all in green and yellow ... an yellow clad archer ... a very UGLY and SCARRED sonic gal in fishnets ... and so forth. All with the different power sets of the JLA.

So is this a farm? (It wasn't playing to any specific strength or weakness; wide variety of melee and ranged ATs, and fliers) There is no story. Just a Kill All mission. (though the status said Story in Progress, or some sort)

Is it a copyright infraction? The intent is clearly the JLA but there are no similar character names or costumes? Is that the difference between a copyright infraction and a homage?

I don't know what to make of this thing. I'm not looking to report it or anything ... so I won't list its name or number ... but I am curious.

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Since it's all LT's, it can be farmed... Is it an optimal farm? No .... It doesn't sound like the intent of the mission is to be a farm... Just hard...

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I farm a LT. mission with 6 different damage types.

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As I said, it can be farmed, but it's not optimal.

Edit: Good way to avoid the ban hammer.

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Did I mention that it includes end drainers and other disgusting melee power sets?No? Well it does.

Its also got a story with dialogue


 

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Given that there was variation and in absolutely no wild scenario is a faction composed entirely out of legitimate LTs going to be easier than a group with minions... I'm going to say no.


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making all lt's is not an exploit. there are reason to only have lt's. power availability, story lines requiring a raid on an officer convention. plenty of ways this would be used.

Just because the outdoor map was used doesn't make it a farm. just because they were all lt's. you don't have a guy in blue and red with an s on his chest and you don't have some one named man'o'steel or other variant.


nothing i have seen described deserves a complaint being sent to get it pulled. Anyone claiming it needs to be yanked needs to rexamine their priorities.


 

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Why would a player get hit with the "ban hammer" for a Farm? WTF is wrong with all of you? Don't confuse "farm" with "exploitative" otherwise we would have seen bans for everything from Wolves to Drill Machines to Rikti Portals to Kraken sewer trial farming long before the AE existed.


 

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nothing i have seen described deserves a complaint being sent to get it pulled. Anyone claiming it needs to be yanked needs to rexamine their priorities.

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Yep, but as expected, to some people any mission or player behavior that differs from their "acceptable" way to play is an evil exploit and should be reported.


 

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I can't get a call from the DEVs on what exactly the "no parody and no derivative works" actually is supposed to cover, but this seems to fit that.

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It doesn't.


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Why would a player get hit with the "ban hammer" for a Farm? WTF is wrong with all of you? Don't confuse "farm" with "exploitative" otherwise we would have seen bans for everything from Wolves to Drill Machines to Rikti Portals to Kraken sewer trial farming long before the AE existed.

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Because farming AE isn't allowed. Creating custom lt's that have only attacks what you are immune to isn't allowed. Oh, and they aren't going to fix it either. So just don't play like that ...

Creating several LT's with several different attack chains and adding a story is a good way to ensure you get the rewards you deserve while fighting in a well built team.


 

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... running one AE mission multiple times in a row is exploiting now?


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Everything is exploiting.


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Lord Recluse spawns buches of bosses so he must be an expoit.


 

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Why would a player get hit with the "ban hammer" for a Farm? WTF is wrong with all of you? Don't confuse "farm" with "exploitative" otherwise we would have seen bans for everything from Wolves to Drill Machines to Rikti Portals to Kraken sewer trial farming long before the AE existed.

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Because farming AE isn't allowed. Creating custom lt's that have only attacks what you are immune to isn't allowed. Oh, and they aren't going to fix it either. So just don't play like that ...

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Soooo what if someone creates fire mobs to face their Ice tank. Would that be ok? So what if I come along (not my arc mind you) with my Fire tank and played the same one. Is the creator suddenly at fault because it is easy for some people and not others?

Nitpick note. No one is immune to any type of damage.


 

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Well, I revisted the arc and I guess it really is a work in progress. Now, instead of one mission, its two missions. And when you click on each hero there's a custom discription. Clickies have been added, as well, to each mission.

There are more custom critters -- yet they all appear to be only Lts -- but now with an even greater range of AT types and powersets.

And the second mission is also on a frequent farm map?

Do farms usually have more than one mission? There appears to be a story shaping here, but again all the mobs are JLA type heroes, with similar powers but differnt names and costumes. It was mentioned that this could be a tribute MArc, and it appears that's what this guy or gal is going for. So maybe it is legit.


 

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My suggestion is that you worry more about what you are doing while playing, and less about what others are doing. That also happens to be a pretty good approach to the real world too...


 

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There are plenty of farms with more than one mission.


 

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My suggestion is that you worry more about what you are doing while playing, and less about what others are doing. That also happens to be a pretty good approach to the real world too...

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Worried? No. Curious. Yes.


 

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Come on! Give up the MArc number already!

Cuz i Prefer MArc content!


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I entered a mission the other day where all the mobs were LTs. and it was on a common farm map, Map 02. And there was no story to speak of.

So I figured it was a farm.

However, instead of all the mobs being the same kind, these were all custom ... kind of like the Justice League of America, except their names and costumes were nothing like the JLA.

But it was clear who they were supposed to be. A black clad, black caped martial artist ... a HUGE invul/ss tank all in green and yellow ... an yellow clad archer ... a very UGLY and SCARRED sonic gal in fishnets ... and so forth. All with the different power sets of the JLA.

So is this a farm? (It wasn't playing to any specific strength or weakness; wide variety of melee and ranged ATs, and fliers) There is no story. Just a Kill All mission. (though the status said Story in Progress, or some sort)

Is it a copyright infraction? The intent is clearly the JLA but there are no similar character names or costumes? Is that the difference between a copyright infraction and a homage?

I don't know what to make of this thing. I'm not looking to report it or anything ... so I won't list its name or number ... but I am curious.

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If your conscience compass twinged then you better just report it and hope you don't get banned!!!!!

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