Energy Melee

I was playing my stalker yesterday (EM/Regen). I hit total focus from hide and, as expected, it was a partial Critical. Later I hit Energy Transfer out of hide and, as expected, there was no critical (though no loss of life either.)

So, I got bored of the stalker and I went to my brute, EM/Elec. I'm using small attacks....and I hit total focus...I continue to build fury and I hit total focus again....and...the damage increased with fury. So, in my chain I hit ET, hit some smaller attacks....hit ET again..and the damage increased.

So, why is it that the EM attacks work flawlessly with the brute inherent but not the stalker inherent?

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I was playing my stalker yesterday (EM/Regen). I hit total focus from hide and, as expected, it was a partial Critical. Later I hit Energy Transfer out of hide and, as expected, there was no critical (though no loss of life either.)

So, I got bored of the stalker and I went to my brute, EM/Elec. I'm using small attacks....and I hit total focus...I continue to build fury and I hit total focus again....and...the damage increased with fury. So, in my chain I hit ET, hit some smaller attacks....hit ET again..and the damage increased.

So, why is it that the EM attacks work flawlessly with the brute inherent but not the stalker inherent?

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Uhm....I'm lost....what the heck is your question?

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The devs hate Stalkers.

That or else they decided when porting EM to Stalkers that they didn't want it outperforming the other sets by that drastic an amount, and they limited the criticals on it so that they wouldn't be double damage; the "critical" value on Total Focus is equal to the damage from Energy Transfer... which is already double the value of some of the other attacks in other sets (Eagle's Claw, Golden Dragonfly) and some powers (One Thousand Cuts) have slightly reduced criticals to be equal to that damage scale. The only non-AS attack available to Stalkers that hits harder on a critical in PvE is Midnight's Grasp.

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The devs hate Stalkers.

That or else they decided when porting EM to Stalkers that they didn't want it outperforming the other sets by that drastic an amount, and they limited the criticals on it so that they wouldn't be double damage; the "critical" value on Total Focus is equal to the damage from Energy Transfer... which is already double the value of some of the other attacks in other sets (Eagle's Claw, Golden Dragonfly) and some powers (One Thousand Cuts) have slightly reduced criticals to be equal to that damage scale. The only non-AS attack available to Stalkers that hits harder on a critical in PvE is Midnight's Grasp.

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With the recent animation change to ET, why wasn't that changed anyways?

Hmm... Let's put it this way, then.

Devs hate EM =P

It's been a long time since I've looked at stalkers, but isn't the "crit" on ET for stalkers regular damage to target with no damage to self?

Well.. yeah they traded those that way =/

I was just making fun =X

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It's been a long time since I've looked at stalkers, but isn't the "crit" on ET for stalkers regular damage to target with no damage to self?

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Yea....pretty lame. Especially given that TF is only a very very minor "partial crit" and all....and especially in light of what Thunderstrike can achieve in damage You'd think the dev's would at least allow ET to partially crit....or up the crit portion of TF.

The funny part is that EM is like "ONLY FOR PvP" power... which they don't give a s$#% about nor even care about. But they're just nerfing it =/ I really don't get the reason =X

Being an EM on a PvE teams... you know =/ it sucks... as hell. I, even a big fan of EM, would prefer something else if I try to build a PvE team (even in farms).

But its PvP part "was" so great and that caused them to nerf it? =O hmm maybe this is something like what happened to Spines for its fugly outlook(ended up nerfing it).

Gah... I think I'm gonna have to go to bed =/

I have something to say, but can't express it =x

My brain's probably already asleep xP

Later all.
Jin.

I'm don't understand. Why are you saying that EM is bad in PvE?

I love my EM/Nin and I find myself utterly destroying things that I fight. The fact that ET and TF doesn't do double damage out of Hide or with crits doesn't bother me, but then again I am used to Tanker EM which doesn't crit so no complaints here.

For PvE, people prefer AoE's, A LOT more. (than strong ST's)

That's a reason.

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The fact that ET and TF doesn't do double damage out of Hide or with crits doesn't bother me

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It bothers someone. It even weakens ST damage output.

That's why I would prefer something else other than EM if I'm building a PvE team.

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That's why I would prefer something else other than EM if I'm building a PvE team

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So far, my most favorite Stalker primary for "pvE" has been Elec Melee, HANDS DOWN.


It has some pretty dang sweet AoE mixed in with some good old fashioned "Stalker Single Target" thrown in, all on top of some pretty fun visual effects (L.Rod, I'm lookin at you heh). Thankfully...ElecMelee is also pretty sweet in PvP too lol, so it's win/win for me

So true that.

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For PvE, people prefer AoE's, A LOT more. (than strong ST's)

That's a reason.

Plus,

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The fact that ET and TF doesn't do double damage out of Hide or with crits doesn't bother me

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It bothers someone. It even weakens ST damage output.

That's why I would prefer something else other than EM if I'm building a PvE team.

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To each their own I guess. I don't really worry to much about the small things. As long as the enemies end up on the ground and my exp increases thats all that matters to me.

I have done the Elec Melee Stalker and I just don't like Elec Melee enough despite its blend of area of effect and single target. I like Havoc Punch, Charged Brawl and Thunderstrike, but thats mainly because of Elec Manipulation on heroes which I am inlove with. For Stalkers I still prefer Energy Melee or Dark Melee over anything else.

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For PvE, people prefer AoE's, A LOT more. (than strong ST's)

That's a reason.

Plus,

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The fact that ET and TF doesn't do double damage out of Hide or with crits doesn't bother me

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It bothers someone. It even weakens ST damage output.

That's why I would prefer something else other than EM if I'm building a PvE team.

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That's stupid, Total Focus does 203 damage unenhanced and ET does 253, almost the same as a crit Eagle's claw. And you don't need TF and ET to crit to do stupid damage like the other tier 9s. EM is fine for a boss killer in PvE teams, Spines and Elec can wipe the minions while you work on hard targets. And if you're a defensive set you're probably use your controlled crits (from Hide) with AS anyway.

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EM is fine for a boss killer in PvE teams

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What kind of well-built PvE team is not capable killing bosses? I prefer having more AoE's, b/c it was faster timewise to get rid of +4 bosses.

There was no reason for me to get a strong ST such as EM/ over a decent AoE.

If you still don't get it, then don't try replying.

It's more of a difference between preference of yours and of mine.

Novella// I am, too, still a big fan of EM/. It's just that EM/ doesn't match with my preference when I'm building a PvE team.

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EM is fine for a boss killer in PvE teams

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What kind of well-built PvE team is not capable killing bosses? I prefer having more AoE's, b/c it was faster timewise to get rid of +4 bosses.

There was no reason for me to get a strong ST such as EM/ over a decent AoE.

If you still don't get it, then don't try replying.

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No need to get butthurt , I get it, AoE is great for teams. I just think that ST stalkers, especially DM and EM, which offer high DPS and great burst respectively, are good for your casual pve team for taking out the biggest threats fast.

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EM is fine for a boss killer in PvE teams

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What kind of well-built PvE team is not capable killing bosses? I prefer having more AoE's, b/c it was faster timewise to get rid of +4 bosses.

There was no reason for me to get a strong ST such as EM/ over a decent AoE.

If you still don't get it, then don't try replying.

It's more of a difference between preference of yours and of mine.

Novella// I am, too, still a big fan of EM/. It's just that EM/ doesn't match with my preference when I'm building a PvE team.

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If you only ever play on well built 8 man teams, possibly true.

In the real world, I've PvEd 2 stalkers, 50 EM/WP and 48 ElM/EA, and the EM was pretty much as good in a team of 6, and better solo/small team.

If Energy Melee is "bad" for PvE... then where does that put sets like Ninja Blade that have one crappy melee cone? Personally, I'd take my EM/ Stalker over my Nin/ Stalker any day from a raw performance point of view.


(and it's funny that people want crits on an attack that already out damage most attacks that have crits!)

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EM is fine for a boss killer in PvE teams

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What kind of well-built PvE team is not capable killing bosses? I prefer having more AoE's, b/c it was faster timewise to get rid of +4 bosses.

There was no reason for me to get a strong ST such as EM/ over a decent AoE.

If you still don't get it, then don't try replying.

It's more of a difference between preference of yours and of mine.

Novella// I am, too, still a big fan of EM/. It's just that EM/ doesn't match with my preference when I'm building a PvE team.

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You're giving AoE stalkers a bad image. Know your place and learn to team. AoE sets aren't better just more versatile by trading hard ST damage. And if you're teaming right (IMO, inviting anyone until the team is full) then everything always balances out, you just have to know how to work with the team rather than just doing what you want.

Where's A_C? He's usually making this argument