OK, so now that I'm back, is it true I'm useless?
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Posted on: 2009-06-29 23:44 in Virtue
Make sure the team gives you proper buffs until those towers are down. Things like Fort and shields can make a huge difference.
Heroes : Angrem (50 Stone tank), Exo Inferis (50 Fire blaster), Exo Proteus (50 ill/emp), IceVengance (50 cold defender)
Villains : AtomBomb (50 Rad/Kin corruptor), Aleks (50 SS/Inv brute), StoneLethal (50 EM/Stone brute), Davroz (50 Bots/Dark mastermind)
So, what do you need to tank the STF anyway? I'm looking at a Lethal/Bashing Resistance-Capped WP build. Would that be good enough?
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Make sure the team gives you proper buffs until those towers are down. Things like Fort and shields can make a huge difference.
[/ QUOTE ]But if the tanker can use buffs, the whole AT is invalidated! D:
Even a stone tanker can die to Recluse if there's absolutely no support and/or the team takes too long getting red/blue towers down. And then there's Ghost Widow.
Oh yeah, and Reichsman too, now.
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So I need to know:
Is this a fluke, and I'm only getting input from people who think that for some reason Stone is the only "true" tank, or are they right, and the character I made now obsolete as far as the reason he was created in the first place, to tank?
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Unfortunately, I had to snip that quote a bit. Having said that, I know how you feel. In other games, there were builds I really wanted to try, and wound up being stopped because I was told "This is the right build for your class, nothing else for raiding/PVP/PVE" Usually, the advice would be coming from the hard core raiders. I'd wind up getting disgusted...probably why I'm not raiding any more..
I've yet to run into the stone leetists- which may be a good thing, since I've only been here a month. Else, I might have back on LOTRO already.
I say play what makes you happy here, especially since he's your main. Ignore the leetists. Eventually, that stone build will be replaced with the new flavor of the month in the leetist eyes, and if it turns out to be yours, then you can say..I told you so.
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That depends on how the stone tank is built ROBO. 
How do buffs invalidate the AT Talen? Against Recluse and his towers almost noone can stand alone, it's a very extreme situation.
WP will struggle against Recluse because he does MASSIVE bursts of damage and RttC has no minions to draw on for regen. WP would need good support from someone with powerful heals and probably need to chew some inspirations.
Once the red tower is down Recluse is much more manageable due to lower damage. But while it's up he can two shot a lot of tanks of they are not getting good support.
Heroes : Angrem (50 Stone tank), Exo Inferis (50 Fire blaster), Exo Proteus (50 ill/emp), IceVengance (50 cold defender)
Villains : AtomBomb (50 Rad/Kin corruptor), Aleks (50 SS/Inv brute), StoneLethal (50 EM/Stone brute), Davroz (50 Bots/Dark mastermind)
Just saw the thread. I've done many STFs, most of them being MoSTFs. Any tanker can tank the STF, period, as long as the player of the tank is good.
For the MoSTF, stone is generally preferred, however, an invuln can certainly do it, if they have Tough and Weave and worked on their build. The tank powersets that tend to have trouble in an MoSTF are willpower, fire and ice, but add a sonic bubbler to them and voila, they're good to go. Large insps can also be used, but takes some timing. The Master Saturday has even had a successful Master of STF with a dark/dark tanker, I believe.
For any other TF in the game, all tanks are fine, and my invuln usually doesn't notice being attacked unless it's psi damage.
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Ive seen willpower tanks, tank Lord Recluse, you just need a Thermal or Empath baby sitting you & Bunch of Oranges & Greens in your tray.
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One of the best tanks on an STF team I've been on has been ice. Now, ice is generally regarded as 'useless' and a waste of powers, but the tank did pretty well.
I don't know why people say that only Stone is the only viable tank in the game. My Warshade has tanked Romulus in a ITF (in Lobster form) and definately isn't IO'd up, besides commons.
Now, talking about 'useless'... in some teams. Energy Aura as a defense set, is not useless as people may say. It may not be as strong as some other builds, but it's not 'useless'. Granted that popping Overload is the closest I could get to Godmode, and whenever I have used Overload I never have died during the overloading. Enough to off tank during a LRSF while the stone tank was faceplanted
ATs to 50 - TA/A Def, Nrg/Nrg Blaster, EM/EA Brute, WS,ELM/ELA Stalker
You mean stone brute Rad. Tanks cannot RSF. And I have never heard ice armor called useless. As far as I have ever heard it's a good defensive set. Would be curious to hear the reasoning behind someone calling it a waste of powers.
Heroes : Angrem (50 Stone tank), Exo Inferis (50 Fire blaster), Exo Proteus (50 ill/emp), IceVengance (50 cold defender)
Villains : AtomBomb (50 Rad/Kin corruptor), Aleks (50 SS/Inv brute), StoneLethal (50 EM/Stone brute), Davroz (50 Bots/Dark mastermind)
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Nox I run the weekly Master Saturday runs. That being the Master of the Statesman TF badge runs, no deaths or temp powers. I will tell you any tank can do the STF and they can even do it without a single death to themselves or their team. If you want to run a regular STF any time send me a tell ill gladly form a team or just come along with one of my Pirates. There is nothing in this game someone who is determined to do cant do. They just need the help of people who are willing.
Good Luck on your STF if Im not on it its lots of fun.
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What BT said. Show up on Saturday at the boat, 7 pm CST (after the Hami raid), there should be people forming teams.
Are you interested in an STF to get your feet wet, or full-bore MSTF attempt?
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Thanks for the input everyone, you've given me a lot to mull over. Most important of which is: <ul type="square"> [*]There is a difference between the Statesman TF and the MoSTF (and I can see where I fall short of the playing experience to do the latter)[*]I have either been getting the minority of folks who think that only Stone tanks can do it or folks who are looking for an MoSTF rather than an regular version.[*]I need to learn the "numbers" for this game (something that I had been trying to avoid)[/list]
Thanks again for the input and in helping me find out what I still need to learn! 
As for the offers to join various group runs, thank you for those as well, I would be happy to join you folks.
I tanked Recluses SF on Crab Spider.
Anything can tank statesmans TF, your team just needs to be full of people who didnt come from teh MEOW Farm generation. I've seen STF tanked by a Blaster.
You can probably do it better than a blaster.
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There is no way a blaster could take a hit from Recluse, not a chance.
Nox, grab mids hero builder. It's free and it lets you play around with different combinations to see the results.
Heroes : Angrem (50 Stone tank), Exo Inferis (50 Fire blaster), Exo Proteus (50 ill/emp), IceVengance (50 cold defender)
Villains : AtomBomb (50 Rad/Kin corruptor), Aleks (50 SS/Inv brute), StoneLethal (50 EM/Stone brute), Davroz (50 Bots/Dark mastermind)
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I've been playing CoX since Dec. 2004 in an on again/off again manner, the one thing that always made me feel I could come back was that unlike most games, all aspects of the game evolved and changed, not just the "endgame", and there never was the hidebound mentality of "You need X and only X to do Y, and nothing else will succeed." Apparently that has changed as well.
In the past month and a half of trying, I've been repeatedly told that there is no point in my Inv/SS tanker trying to tank the Statesman TF, that ONLY stone tanks can do this. Now, this isn't a month and a half of trying the TF and not succeeding, this is a month and a half of not even being allowed to try because I'm not a Stone Tank.
If this was an alt, I wouldn't care, but this is the character who was my first character, not just in CoX, but the first MMO character I have ever played. He's the one I play best, who I have spent 90% of my time and inf on, and the one I love to play and has had most of my creative energy expended on.
So I need to know:
Is this a fluke, and I'm only getting input from people who think that for some reason Stone is the only "true" tank, or are they right, and the character I made now obsolete as far as the reason he was created in the first place, to tank?
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I've done this TF as support for the Inv/SS tank. You just need buffs and a dedicated actual healer. Bubbles are ideal for buffs and while dealing with the towers anyway.
Dev's. There are people who would play Kin/FF. Chop-chop.
Edit: Your MotSTF will/should be a slow and cautious run with everyone paying attention to chat (ideally voice chat, but meh). Always refill on insps as needed and NOBODY on the team should be less than 50.
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Thanks for the input everyone, you've given me a lot to mull over. Most important of which is: <ul type="square"> [*]There is a difference between the Statesman TF and the MoSTF (and I can see where I fall short of the playing experience to do the latter)[*]I have either been getting the minority of folks who think that only Stone tanks can do it or folks who are looking for an MoSTF rather than an regular version.[*]I need to learn the "numbers" for this game (something that I had been trying to avoid)[/list]
Thanks again for the input and in helping me find out what I still need to learn!
As for the offers to join various group runs, thank you for those as well, I would be happy to join you folks.
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The MoSTF is short for "Master of Statesman's Task Force", where you initiate two challenge settings: NO deaths, and all your temp powers are locked out. So if you die, you fail the challenge. And you can't use Sands of Mu (especially harsh for a tank if you use it as a fill-in attack) or Warburg rockets or anything.
As for numbers, you can always use Mids hero planner or City of Data... though it might be a bit much to digest. I would start by accessing your own "real numbers". Click the "Powers" tab in your power tray, then click "Combat Attributes". You can see your defense, resistance, and other numbers. Then, if they're not to your liking, you can start investing in IOs to beef up whatever stats you're looking for.
-STEELE =)
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I have done it with my Ice tank Silicone. Recluse was a problem, everyone else was ok. And this was on invincible. As person with a 50 Inv tank also,I can tell you that it would be easier with an inv tank than an ice tank.
And if things don't go your way, start your own TF. Why are you waiting for other people to invite you?
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I've been playing CoX since Dec. 2004 in an on again/off again manner, the one thing that always made me feel I could come back was that unlike most games, all aspects of the game evolved and changed, not just the "endgame", and there never was the hidebound mentality of "You need X and only X to do Y, and nothing else will succeed." Apparently that has changed as well.
In the past month and a half of trying, I've been repeatedly told that there is no point in my Inv/SS tanker trying to tank the Statesman TF, that ONLY stone tanks can do this. Now, this isn't a month and a half of trying the TF and not succeeding, this is a month and a half of not even being allowed to try because I'm not a Stone Tank.
If this was an alt, I wouldn't care, but this is the character who was my first character, not just in CoX, but the first MMO character I have ever played. He's the one I play best, who I have spent 90% of my time and inf on, and the one I love to play and has had most of my creative energy expended on.
So I need to know:
Is this a fluke, and I'm only getting input from people who think that for some reason Stone is the only "true" tank, or are they right, and the character I made now obsolete as far as the reason he was created in the first place, to tank?
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Whoever told you that Invuln tankers can't run STF's is a FIRST CLASS NOOB!!!! I Prefer Invulns on STF's. I consistantly run MSTF's on my invuln. Stone tankers are slow, but you will always hear the argument that they are gods of STF's. God or not, i will take an invuln over a stone any day for sheer speed.
Everything in this game can be geared for whatever you want to do, simple game mechanics make it a wonder to behold. If you ever need help rebuilding your Invul tanker I am @EverStryke
Also, just to bear creedance to what I said, I have repeatedly Tanked LR with an Inv/Kat Scrapper and gotten MSTF's.
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Is this a fluke, and I'm only getting input from people who think that for some reason Stone is the only "true" tank, or are they right, and the character I made now obsolete as far as the reason he was created in the first place, to tank?
[/ QUOTE ]You're teaming with retards. Quit the team and form your own.
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QFT
So after reading thru this thread i'm starting to get nervous about my Shield/Ice i'm rolling. I'm 36(spent a week or so at 33 doing FB's and such for Sets(yes I PvP)) now and after seeing this am starting to wonder if its going to be worth the roll to 50(building this for our SG and what i 'thought' would be good to do the MoSTF).
Am I boned? or just 'learn my build' well and i'll do fine?
and to the OP: Based on the responses it seems You'll do fine!
Doc
Nox,
You've been running into or with the wrong folks. Inv is easily the second best for pulling off an MoSTF. If your tanker is well built and you know what you're doing with it, you can tank Lord Recluse on the ground with a good support team to back you up. Personally, I'd rather run the MoSTF with a good Inv than a Stoner most times because the Inv is more manueverable than the Stone tank just naturally.
If you've got a good build, then you're far from useless for an STF and can pull of a MoSTF with a good team.
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So after reading thru this thread i'm starting to get nervous about my Shield/Ice i'm rolling. I'm 36(spent a week or so at 33 doing FB's and such for Sets(yes I PvP)) now and after seeing this am starting to wonder if its going to be worth the roll to 50(building this for our SG and what i 'thought' would be good to do the MoSTF).
Am I boned? or just 'learn my build' well and i'll do fine?
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Shield can tank MSTF. Just learn your strengths and weaknesses/limits and plan accordingly. Prepare inspirations and optionally some base empowerments for the finale, and use OwtS when it's available. With some team support to keep you buffed and healed, you'll be golden.
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Just an update:
Again, I want to thank you all for your words of encouragement. Since I posted this I still have yet to find a team willing to go the whole distance. Last night was the fist team I was able to get on, and while I feel I did an admirable job, the group kept deciding to reset after a squishy got oneshot-ed by the Thorn tree. It was around 4 am when we finally called it. I have done the Reichsman TF, and proud to say that I tanked him like a champ, holding him and the other AV's attention without the need to trip "Unstoppable."
Needless to say, I'm feeling much more confident, and Blazing Tiger, I somehow missed your invite, thank you for the offer and expect to hear from me this week.
As Hobo Healer would say:
Cheers!
Unfortunately, STF is bugged at the moment, so now is probably a bad time to attempt it.
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With Recluse, you'll need large orange and purple inspirations, and maybe a few large blues. Stand next to a tower and taunt him, popping one of each purple/orange per minute until the red tower is down. After that, he probably won't be able to one-shot you, which will allow the team healer to prop you back up, along with your self-heal.
I mean, my invuln gets BORED tanking Recluse. One time, he and his banes couldn't even HIT me for a good 3 minutes... but by the same token, he's also chainguned me twice in a row and flattened me before i could blink, so you do have to be cautious.
-STEELE =)
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