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The real problem for me is I can not find anyone to really rp with....that and the few I do tend to find tend to be flat.
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That is exactly the current problem with Virtue right now. It needs a gathering area for the RP community with characters who are not affiliated with any groups. Sadly, the only place is Pocket D and we already stated what's wrong with it.
I tried to create another RP spot. So did many others. But it never got enough motivation from the RP community. So I just gave up. *shrug*
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The problem with Pocket D isn't that cyberers are there. The problem is that RPers aren't there, or at least that people think they aren't there. When the D first got patched in I remember pretty clearly posting here that the only way the D is going to be an awesome place to RP is if RPers go there, RP there, and don't just let the cyber crowd have it. And for a while, RPers did go there and it was awesome. Then they didn't, and it wasn't. You can say whatever you want about how horribly offensive it is to know that someone in the same zone as you is swapping the dirty talk, but when it comes down to it if RPers were there, it would be the place to be, no matter what the cyber crowd does or says. The RP community, such as it is, just doesn't want a central RP spot badly enough to make it happen. And honestly, I'm not sure what's so wrong with that.
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Well RPers do in fact go to P-D. They generally hang out blueside upstairs. However, the public RP there is generally rather flat with people RPing ordering their favorite drink, RPing flirting with others, and RPing making small talk. In short RPing all the same stuff you can find in absolutely any bar in the world IRL which always seemed kinda pointless to me.
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Ah, this is why I rarely sway away from my Archetype Forum tours. I go to my home server forum for a hope of some amusing antics or pictures of characters in compromising positions, and all I get is this! Of course there's RP, but it has to come to you. I have a few pointers that should help you out.
There's two guides to this; The first is either make a godly, or just blatant "everything" character. Then comes the tricky part; you have to make your character original with the minimal about of work possible, simply be some sort of demon but say you're not, or be some sort of mutant that's "special". Then it's time for your story- the funnest part. Simply put that you have a VV page in your Bio, then leave your VV page a perpetual WIP, therefore never requiring you to write anything, but people will think you're working on it because you got a VV page for it! Now that you have your established character, you just do whatever you want and say whatever you want, because you can and you're superior(Pro tip: proceed to smirk and wink at everyone if your character is female, or be silent and "badass" if your character is male). You'll eventually be loved for one reason or another, but they'll grow tired of you, and you'll have to: Join a clique and shun everyone else, leave RP and become a PvPer, or go to CO in a couple months to start all the way over.
The alternate guide is just make a character for fun with a cool concept that you enjoy playing and find other people who like the same things, but that could take time, and you want results now!
(Note: I'm not saying everyone's character is like either example. Still, I can feel flames from here 
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Whats worse is this is a "T" rated game which means one of them could be 30 years old, and the other one could be 13.
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Not to support ERP. But...
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Way to miss the point.
This is a "T" rated game, which means it's reasonable to assume many people who play it might just be teens.
i.e. If you don't find something wrong with the idea that, if you're a 30 year old man and you're having cybersex with someone who, for all you know, *could* be a 13 year old kid, then there's something seriously screwed up about you in the head.
Seriously.
ERP with someone whom you do not know IRL is irresponsible. At best. Squicky pseudo-pederasty at worst.
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I didn't say it's okay for a 30 year old man to ERP with a 13 year old kid.
What I said was:
If a person is mature enough to buy a video game without requiring permission from their parents, then they should also be mature enough to accept that online interactions are not covered by the ERSB rating and that by buying this game, they are exposing themselves to such scenarios. I also do hope that they are mature enough to understand what ERP is and decide if they want to avoid it or not.
If a person is NOT mature enough to buy a video game without requiring permission from their parents, then the parents are the ones who should be mature enough to read the labels on the box and understand the consequences of letting their child play an online video game.
I'm merely saying that unless the 30 year-old person in question KNOWS they are 'ERPing' with a 13 year-old, then they have done nothing wrong as far as the rules go, and it's mostly either the child's fault, or their parents for letting them be there in the first place.
Then, there is also the topic of difference between "Cyber" and "ERP"...two completely different things that a lot of people don't seem to grasp the difference between them. Just like people who confuse MRP with ERP. I'm not criticizing anyone. I'm merely sharing my opinions. :P
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I never said it is. :P I avoid Pocket D for many reasons, a lot of which have nothing to do with Cybersex and/or ERP. Read my previous paragraph for one example.
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YEs they do rp at
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as Ood Sigma said....We will sing to you, Doctor. The universe will sing you to your sleep. This song is ending. But the story never ends.
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The server appears to have become very fragmented. There is not so much a "rp community" anymore like there once was a couple of years back.
Me & a couple of friends are going to be running some rp / story events through the summer. So watch this space I suppose.
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Very true. Though its not necesarilly a horrible thing since playing to a smaller crowd, as it were, grants you a freedom you might not otherwise have, and also an intimacy that allows many people to participate who re inimidated or feel out of place in the larger crowds.
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Mutual social masturbation, and occasional ego stroking, much like every other fluff thread you're familiar with.
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Whats worse is this is a "T" rated game which means one of them could be 30 years old, and the other one could be 13.
Really people... THINK before you ERP!
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Not to support ERP. But...
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Way to miss the point.
This is a "T" rated game, which means it's reasonable to assume many people who play it might just be teens.
i.e. If you don't find something wrong with the idea that, if you're a 30 year old man and you're having cybersex with someone who, for all you know, *could* be a 13 year old kid, then there's something seriously screwed up about you in the head.
Seriously.
ERP with someone whom you do not know IRL is irresponsible. At best. Squicky pseudo-pederasty at worst.
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I am sorry, Smurhc, but that thought doesn't bother me at all. I don't do cybersex, here or anywhere else, but not because I'm afraid a teanager might be involved. The best efforts of certain groups to claim otherwise not withstanding, cybersex is not sex. Cybersex involves typing about things you fantasize about doing to people who don't exist. Sex involves, well... actual sex. they are not moral equivalents.
And just for the record, I feel fairly confident that teangers will have fantasies (and masturbate about them) without the benefit of my (amditedly, inspired) input.
Also, there is no way to be certain that any cybersex you have anywhere on the internet will be with an adult. You could go to a chatroom or website devoted to that explicit purpose which is theoretically for adults only, but their rigorous background check system, I gaurantee you, will consist of asking anyone who visits to click a button saying "I am 18 years old" (or possibly select their age from a pulldown menu). And the reason for that isn't because those sites want to hurt children either - its because there's no practical alternative. Unless you're charging for the service, and demand a credit card (which will likely not work too well since there are many free ways to set up chatrooms) there is simply no practical way to check if someone on the itnernet is really as old as they say they are. The point being, that "taking it outside", as it were - not doing it in a video-game as opposed to some more ostensibly appropriate venue, is a completly inefecual way to protect minors from exposure to horrors of explicit sexual description.
Because, you know, its not like they would have figured out what their parts were for if no one told them.
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Whats worse is this is a "T" rated game which means one of them could be 30 years old, and the other one could be 13.
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Not to support ERP. But...
"Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB."
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Way to miss the point.
This is a "T" rated game, which means it's reasonable to assume many people who play it might just be teens.
i.e. If you don't find something wrong with the idea that, if you're a 30 year old man and you're having cybersex with someone who, for all you know, *could* be a 13 year old kid, then there's something seriously screwed up about you in the head.
Seriously.
ERP with someone whom you do not know IRL is irresponsible. At best. Squicky pseudo-pederasty at worst.
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I didn't say it's okay for a 30 year old man to ERP with a 13 year old kid.
What I said was:
If a person is mature enough to buy a video game without requiring permission from their parents, then they should also be mature enough to accept that online interactions are not covered by the ERSB rating and that by buying this game, they are exposing themselves to such scenarios. I also do hope that they are mature enough to understand what ERP is and decide if they want to avoid it or not.
If a person is NOT mature enough to buy a video game without requiring permission from their parents, then the parents are the ones who should be mature enough to read the labels on the box and understand the consequences of letting their child play an online video game.
I'm merely saying that unless the 30 year-old person in question KNOWS they are 'ERPing' with a 13 year-old, then they have done nothing wrong as far as the rules go, and it's mostly either the child's fault, or their parents for letting them be there in the first place.
Then, there is also the topic of difference between "Cyber" and "ERP"...two completely different things that a lot of people don't seem to grasp the difference between them. Just like people who confuse MRP with ERP. I'm not criticizing anyone. I'm merely sharing my opinions. :P
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Bit of a tangent, but when the peope who actually do it stop calling cybersex "mature roleplaying" thats when I will too.
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Whats worse is this is a "T" rated game which means one of them could be 30 years old, and the other one could be 13.
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Not to support ERP. But...
"Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB."
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Way to miss the point.
This is a "T" rated game, which means it's reasonable to assume many people who play it might just be teens.
i.e. If you don't find something wrong with the idea that, if you're a 30 year old man and you're having cybersex with someone who, for all you know, *could* be a 13 year old kid, then there's something seriously screwed up about you in the head.
Seriously.
ERP with someone whom you do not know IRL is irresponsible. At best. Squicky pseudo-pederasty at worst.
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I didn't say it's okay for a 30 year old man to ERP with a 13 year old kid.
What I said was:
If a person is mature enough to buy a video game without requiring permission from their parents, then they should also be mature enough to accept that online interactions are not covered by the ERSB rating and that by buying this game, they are exposing themselves to such scenarios. I also do hope that they are mature enough to understand what ERP is and decide if they want to avoid it or not.
If a person is NOT mature enough to buy a video game without requiring permission from their parents, then the parents are the ones who should be mature enough to read the labels on the box and understand the consequences of letting their child play an online video game.
I'm merely saying that unless the 30 year-old person in question KNOWS they are 'ERPing' with a 13 year-old, then they have done nothing wrong as far as the rules go, and it's mostly either the child's fault, or their parents for letting them be there in the first place.
Then, there is also the topic of difference between "Cyber" and "ERP"...two completely different things that a lot of people don't seem to grasp the difference between them. Just like people who confuse MRP with ERP. I'm not criticizing anyone. I'm merely sharing my opinions. :P
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Bit of a tangent, but when the peope who actually do it stop calling cybersex "mature roleplaying" thats when I will too.
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The real problem for me is I can not find anyone to really rp with....that and the few I do tend to find tend to be flat.
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That is exactly the current problem with Virtue right now. It needs a gathering area for the RP community with characters who are not affiliated with any groups. Sadly, the only place is Pocket D and we already stated what's wrong with it.
I tried to create another RP spot. So did many others. But it never got enough motivation from the RP community. So I just gave up. *shrug*
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The problem with Pocket D isn't that cyberers are there. The problem is that RPers aren't there, or at least that people think they aren't there. When the D first got patched in I remember pretty clearly posting here that the only way the D is going to be an awesome place to RP is if RPers go there, RP there, and don't just let the cyber crowd have it. And for a while, RPers did go there and it was awesome. Then they didn't, and it wasn't. You can say whatever you want about how horribly offensive it is to know that someone in the same zone as you is swapping the dirty talk, but when it comes down to it if RPers were there, it would be the place to be, no matter what the cyber crowd does or says. The RP community, such as it is, just doesn't want a central RP spot badly enough to make it happen. And honestly, I'm not sure what's so wrong with that.
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Well RPers do in fact go to P-D. They generally hang out blueside upstairs. However, the public RP there is generally rather flat with people RPing ordering their favorite drink, RPing flirting with others, and RPing making small talk. In short RPing all the same stuff you can find in absolutely any bar in the world IRL which always seemed kinda pointless to me.
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Hence the out I left myself, "or people think they aren't there". I haven't spent a lot of time there since coming back to the game, but the complaints about it are the same old stuff. Some things never change, I guess.
Your point about being bored with the RP that goes on there, though, interests me. I wonder, what exactly do people who want a public RP space think that they want to do there? What exactly is supposed to go on? My character going out for a couple drinks or just to hang out at a club is something I can relate to, it's something a real person would do. Bars and clubs are natural social gathering points. The idea of a whole bunch of supers arbitrarily converging on a random rooftop or on Gemini Park for no particular reason and having all sorts of crazy story stuff happen there has always struck me as awfully difficult to swallow even in a setting where people fly and have eye lasers. Personally I don't tend to say to myself "Hey, I think I'll go to a place where there's nothing to do so I can hang around with a bunch of people I don't know and may or may not have anything at all in common with", and I don't think anyone I know tends to think like that either. I don't see how something like that is more satisfying than a location where there's actually things to do, that's commonly recognized by normal people as a social gathering spot, and where a real person put into this situation would very likely at least consider popping into now and again.
I too have been away for some time, and plan to stick around till either the old republic or 40k mmos are released (maybe CO if A lot of people I know move there)
however I have my master mind who needs to RP and i need to know who is RPing and where so I can meet them in game.
(however there is a minor problem he's based on 40k but i am not planning on him being a comic relief the way I played "the Irken" and Mariel. but as for comic relief Mariel and "the Irken" are still around and need funny.)
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That is exactly the current problem with Virtue right now. It needs a gathering area for the RP community with characters who are not affiliated with any groups. Sadly, the only place is Pocket D and we already stated what's wrong with it.
I tried to create another RP spot. So did many others. But it never got enough motivation from the RP community. So I just gave up. *shrug*
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The problem with Pocket D isn't that cyberers are there. The problem is that RPers aren't there, or at least that people think they aren't there. When the D first got patched in I remember pretty clearly posting here that the only way the D is going to be an awesome place to RP is if RPers go there, RP there, and don't just let the cyber crowd have it. And for a while, RPers did go there and it was awesome. Then they didn't, and it wasn't. You can say whatever you want about how horribly offensive it is to know that someone in the same zone as you is swapping the dirty talk, but when it comes down to it if RPers were there, it would be the place to be, no matter what the cyber crowd does or says. The RP community, such as it is, just doesn't want a central RP spot badly enough to make it happen. And honestly, I'm not sure what's so wrong with that.
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Well RPers do in fact go to P-D. They generally hang out blueside upstairs. However, the public RP there is generally rather flat with people RPing ordering their favorite drink, RPing flirting with others, and RPing making small talk. In short RPing all the same stuff you can find in absolutely any bar in the world IRL which always seemed kinda pointless to me.
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Hence the out I left myself, "or people think they aren't there". I haven't spent a lot of time there since coming back to the game, but the complaints about it are the same old stuff. Some things never change, I guess.
Your point about being bored with the RP that goes on there, though, interests me. I wonder, what exactly do people who want a public RP space think that they want to do there? What exactly is supposed to go on? My character going out for a couple drinks or just to hang out at a club is something I can relate to, it's something a real person would do. Bars and clubs are natural social gathering points. The idea of a whole bunch of supers arbitrarily converging on a random rooftop or on Gemini Park for no particular reason and having all sorts of crazy story stuff happen there has always struck me as awfully difficult to swallow even in a setting where people fly and have eye lasers. Personally I don't tend to say to myself "Hey, I think I'll go to a place where there's nothing to do so I can hang around with a bunch of people I don't know and may or may not have anything at all in common with", and I don't think anyone I know tends to think like that either. I don't see how something like that is more satisfying than a location where there's actually things to do, that's commonly recognized by normal people as a social gathering spot, and where a real person put into this situation would very likely at least consider popping into now and again.
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I am sorry, Smurhc, but that thought doesn't bother me at all. I don't do cybersex, here or anywhere else,
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Nor do I. But thats not the point.
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but not because I'm afraid a teanager might be involved. The best efforts of certain groups to claim otherwise not withstanding, cybersex is not sex.
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It's still wholly inappropriate for an adult to engage in with a minor.
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And just for the record, I feel fairly confident that teangers will have fantasies (and masturbate about them) without the benefit of my (amditedly, inspired) input.
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No doubt. However that is, again, not the point.
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Also, there is no way to be certain that any cybersex you have anywhere on the internet will be with an adult.
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Yes, exactly! THAT is my point.
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The point being, that "taking it outside", as it were - not doing it in a video-game as opposed to some more ostensibly appropriate venue, is a completly inefecual way to protect minors from exposure to horrors of explicit sexual description.
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Yes, that may be true. Still, when you're in a venue that specifically is designed to cater to people of multiple ages, minors included, it means the odds that any particular person you engage in an activity is much more likely to actually be a minor.
If you go to an "adult" chat room where 18+ people only are ostensibly allowed, the odds you are speaking to another adult are exponentially better than if you go to a video game about comic books.
However, there is a point that you still cannot be sure whom you are speaking with and should, therefore, act accordingly.
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Because, you know, its not like they would have figured out what their parts were for if no one told them.
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I guess since 13 year olds will figure it out on their own we should remove all statutory [censored] laws on the books and let adults have sex with young teens, right? Since teens are gonna have sex anyways?
It's not a question of "will teens be having sex/talking about sex/fantasizing". It's a question of whether or not it's appropriate for an adult to engage a teenager in those activities. I think the general consensus in our society is that it is not. Do you disagree?
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Hence the out I left myself, "or people think they aren't there". I haven't spent a lot of time there since coming back to the game, but the complaints about it are the same old stuff. Some things never change, I guess.
Your point about being bored with the RP that goes on there, though, interests me. I wonder, what exactly do people who want a public RP space think that they want to do there? What exactly is supposed to go on? My character going out for a couple drinks or just to hang out at a club is something I can relate to, it's something a real person would do.
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It is, in fact, something I do regularly in real life. I don't generally get to be a supervillain in real life (as much as I try). I don't understand why I'd want to spend time roleplaying perfectly normal every day activities I already do with actual real live people.
I expect RP to revolve around stories of some kind. Meet and greet is fine... if it's used to develop or further plots, make allies and enemies, to recap the development of existing plots and stories, and to further the dramatic development of characters involved. RP about small talk subjects is about one hundred times LESS interesting in a game than it is in real life.
They RP about Nothing in Particular. It's frightfully dull.
People talk about the dark corners. If people were using those dark corners to plot to overthrow the world instead of learning to type one-handed, it'd be a much more interesting place to visit.
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Sure. That's not the problem. It's not the venue that's the issue. It's what they do when they get there. Which is, basically, nothing.
You know what's more interesting than nothing? ANYTHING!
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With respec to actual sex? No. With respect to cybersex? Yes, absolutely. Depending on where you live the law may bare that out as well.
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With respec to actual sex? No. With respect to cybersex? Yes, absolutely. And the law which you seem to be so fond of agrees with me.
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Again you fail to grasp my point.
This isn't about the law. I honestly don't know (nor really care) what the law says about that sort of activity.
It's about if it's ethically appropriate or not. Apparently this is an area we disagree. I feel it's irresponsible and unethical for an adult to engage a young teenager in sexual behavior of any kind, including phone sex or cybersex. You apparently do not.
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--on this ERP thingy, I say get a room post on Craigslist and get the real thing...lol
really its funny walk through the bar in D and read the info, I say we should find the funniest ones and post them 'cause i will go in there stand in the corner an start reading the Infos while drinking rum...
read them outloud its better that way.
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With respec to actual sex? No. With respect to cybersex? Yes, absolutely. And the law which you seem to be so fond of agrees with me.
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Again you fail to grasp my point.
This isn't about the law. I honestly don't know (nor really care) what the law says about that sort of activity.
It's about if it's ethically appropriate or not. Apparently this is an area we disagree. I feel it's irresponsible and unethical for an adult to engage a young teenager in sexual behavior of any kind, including phone sex or cybersex. You apparently do not.
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I'm a bit reluctant to put words in Fernandes' mouth, but keep in mind you guys are talking about a situation in which a) one would presumably be unknowingly cybering an underage person, b) where it's statistically unlikely that you'd wind up in that situation with someone that young (check out any demographic information available about consumers of either comic books or MMOs), and c) not only is it not sex, it's not a sexual fantasy about the actual human beings involved. I would say that it's less like phone sex or actual non-RP cybersex (which involves fantasies that are presumably about the actual human beings) and more like collaborating on slashfic with someone you only know online. Not something I'd call morally praiseworthy, but it's a very, very far cry from an adult and child knowingly and willfully engaging in sexual fantasy about each other.
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With respec to actual sex? No. With respect to cybersex? Yes, absolutely. And the law which you seem to be so fond of agrees with me.
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Again you fail to grasp my point.
This isn't about the law. I honestly don't know (nor really care) what the law says about that sort of activity.
It's about if it's ethically appropriate or not. Apparently this is an area we disagree. I feel it's irresponsible and unethical for an adult to engage a young teenager in sexual behavior of any kind, including phone sex or cybersex. You apparently do not.
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Smurch, you're literally putting words in peoples' mouths with your claims. Fernandes never said an adult engage in cybersex or ERP with a minor is ethically and morally acceptable. Sadly, you completely ignored my post regarding the issue. Here it is again:
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If a person is mature enough to buy a video game without requiring permission from their parents, then they should also be mature enough to accept that online interactions are not covered by the ERSB rating and that by buying this game, they are exposing themselves to such scenarios. I also do hope that they are mature enough to understand what ERP is and decide if they want to avoid it or not.
If a person is NOT mature enough to buy a video game without requiring permission from their parents, then the parents are the ones who should be mature enough to read the labels on the box and understand the consequences of letting their child play an online video game.
I'm merely saying that unless the 30 year-old person in question KNOWS they are 'ERPing' with a 13 year-old, then they have done nothing wrong as far as the rules go, and it's mostly either the child's fault, or their parents for letting them be there in the first place.
Then, there is also the topic of difference between "Cyber" and "ERP"...two completely different things that a lot of people don't seem to grasp the difference between them. Just like people who confuse MRP with ERP. I'm not criticizing anyone. I'm merely sharing my opinions. :P
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Hence the out I left myself, "or people think they aren't there". I haven't spent a lot of time there since coming back to the game, but the complaints about it are the same old stuff. Some things never change, I guess.
Your point about being bored with the RP that goes on there, though, interests me. I wonder, what exactly do people who want a public RP space think that they want to do there? What exactly is supposed to go on? My character going out for a couple drinks or just to hang out at a club is something I can relate to, it's something a real person would do.
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It is, in fact, something I do regularly in real life. I don't generally get to be a supervillain in real life (as much as I try). I don't understand why I'd want to spend time roleplaying perfectly normal every day activities I already do with actual real live people.
I expect RP to revolve around stories of some kind. Meet and greet is fine... if it's used to develop or further plots, make allies and enemies, to recap the development of existing plots and stories, and to further the dramatic development of characters involved. RP about small talk subjects is about one hundred times LESS interesting in a game than it is in real life.
They RP about Nothing in Particular. It's frightfully dull.
People talk about the dark corners. If people were using those dark corners to plot to overthrow the world instead of learning to type one-handed, it'd be a much more interesting place to visit.
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Sure. That's not the problem. It's not the venue that's the issue. It's what they do when they get there. Which is, basically, nothing.
You know what's more interesting than nothing? ANYTHING!
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Well, if you can manage to get that kind of RP going in a public forum then more power to you, I'm not one to tell people how they may or may not RP. But obviously a lot of people disagree with you about the banality of casual social RP, and I think you'll find that RPing out world domination plots and so forth in a public forum is going to bring pretty significant problems with it. There's a reason that even guys like Lex Luthor or Doctor Doom tend to talk about these things in private, where random walk-ons can't screw things up for them. The same generally goes for RPers who've put a certain amount of work and creativity and time into their storylines and would like to enjoy them with their friends rather than having some random godmoder or RP cop or other disruptive individual ruin it for them.
Incedentally, my question about what people expect to have happen in a public RP space wasn't directed specifically at Smurch, I'm curious as to what other proponents of a designated public RP area think.
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Incedentally, my question about what people expect to have happen in a public RP space wasn't directed specifically at Smurch, I'm curious as to what other proponents of a designated public RP area think.
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You see. This is another issue. I believe we don't need -a- designated public RP area. Any designated public RP area would eventually turn into Pocket D.
I believe we need SEVERAL designated public RP areas. For instance, Pocket D, Midnighter's Club, Center of Cimerora, an area in Rikti War Zone, etc.
This way we'll have several themes, which would expand the variety of character. Not ALL characters have to be forced to go to a night club in order to find a few friends. Not ALL characters want their meet n' greet limited to flirting, drinking, and watching bar fights.
Sadly, the above proposal is not really possible. First of all, the population of roleplayers on Virtue is not enough to always fill Pocket D up, let alone several places at once. Second of all, as I've learned, you can't just point to a spot and tell people "RP THUR!". So this is more like a 'in a perfect world' scenario.
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With respec to actual sex? No. With respect to cybersex? Yes, absolutely. And the law which you seem to be so fond of agrees with me.
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Again you fail to grasp my point.
This isn't about the law. I honestly don't know (nor really care) what the law says about that sort of activity.
It's about if it's ethically appropriate or not. Apparently this is an area we disagree. I feel it's irresponsible and unethical for an adult to engage a young teenager in sexual behavior of any kind, including phone sex or cybersex. You apparently do not.
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Thats because I don't see it as sexual behavior any more than writting an action sequence is violent behavior. As you say, it seems we simply must agree to disagree on the point.
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Incedentally, my question about what people expect to have happen in a public RP space wasn't directed specifically at Smurch, I'm curious as to what other proponents of a designated public RP area think.
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You see. This is another issue. I believe we don't need -a- designated public RP area. Any designated public RP area would eventually turn into Pocket D.
I believe we need SEVERAL designated public RP areas. For instance, Pocket D, Midnighter's Club, Center of Cimerora, an area in Rikti War Zone, etc.
This way we'll have several themes, which would expand the variety of character. Not ALL characters have to be forced to go to a night club in order to find a few friends. Not ALL characters want their meet n' greet limited to flirting, drinking, and watching bar fights.
Sadly, the above proposal is not really possible. First of all, the population of roleplayers on Virtue is not enough to always fill Pocket D up, let alone several places at once. Second of all, as I've learned, you can't just point to a spot and tell people "RP THUR!". So this is more like a 'in a perfect world' scenario.
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You can only give ideas and see if others follow. Case in short, Pocket-D is just easier because it's consistent. Even if you're the only person, it's always there giving you something interesting to look at.
Cimerora has certain variables conflicting with why I would gather there specifically to roleplay. It crosses me more as "Episode x" where it's once in a few weeks kind of thing due to the lore surrounding it. Rikti Warzone, same idea; certain characters don't fit without extensive concept work which I don't care much for on say Seraph. The PVP zone idea months back was one of those "great on paper but fails in practice" situations.
Seraph would fit well in Dark Astoria but there's just not enough content nor does it allow hero/villain pairs.
Pocket-D just has one of those cosmetic feels to it.
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I miss the ol' angel rock... and wandering round Gemini Park, I may not have been the most active RP'r but i did have fun till i got to drunk... 
and come on when that guy hit on the Irken...i mean I had to post it on the forum it was so funny... hmmm i may have to repost it one day.
As for ERP.. I do not see the big issue really if your RPing regularly and something happens no big, how ever making a bunny cat girl vampire who needs sex to survive I think that is a line I will never cross, but will Laugh very hard when i see it.
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I was talking to a friend about this. And it seems the only way to solve this...IC/OOC mix-up is to make an OFFICIAL RP server...and it kindda made sense.
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Wont happen. Servers are at low as it is so adding a new server would be currently counter productive. The best that could happen is Posi holds an event to vote for servers and basically rename the chosen server as a dedicated RP server.
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It also wouldn't actually accomplish anything. I've played on a lot of official RP servers in various games. Some of them sucked, some of them were outstanding. But none of them were all RPers, and most of them weren't even majority RPers. As nice as having an official RP server where everyone RPs may sound, it's not enforcable. And besides that, you still don't solve any of the problems that come from OOC drama between RPers. If anything, you encourage it by implying to drama-prone players that their baggage and craziness is somehow acceptable since this server is "different, it's RP".
Whatever complaints some of us may have from time to time, Virtue has a really good thing going. I'd suggest focusing more on the positive rather than getting too dragged down by the popular complaints about the D and so forth. Just get out there, have fun with your friends, and stay out of the corners.
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This really is a good point. I've been on "official" RP servers in other games and Virtue, for all it's unofficial status, is much much better than just about all of them. Such as it is.