Why?

I've asked something similar before, I think, but I can't find the thread, so I'll ask it again.

I'm building a base right now for a team of my own heroes. As it stands, I can't put in more than a couple of rooms, because the prestige costs are so high. I mean, I don't understand why it's necessary for purely decorative rooms to cost tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of points of prestige.

Certainly, rooms that have a function, like control, or power, or medical facilities; those I can understand the high costs. Why are decorative rooms so expensive? They don't do anything but take up space.


What am I missing?


I mean, my SG has 5 characters in it now. They all joined the SG at L2. They are all now L16. They have all been in SG mode from the moment they joined. All this, and I still can't add more than two rooms, and NEITHER is actually functional because the cost of the power and control pieces are so expensive.

Are bases intended only for L50s or something?

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think its bad now....you should have seen what it was like before they cut most of the prices to a 1/3 of what they were...

....oh and get off my lawn you dang kids!

I feel for new SGs....

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I got a base that was pretty functional for the 300K Prestige you get for the first 15 members. It had Control/Energy, Storage, a Teleporter and, IIRC, a Rez Ring. There are guides out there to help you make that happen.

What are you trying to build that needs more control than the Combo Unit in the Oversight Room, Ultimo_?

We can perhaps you get some more of the functionality you are looking for if we knew what you wanted to see.

Although I do agree that the jump between the Combo Unit/Oversight Room and the next larger separate Energy & Control Rooms with those items is a pretty steep jump for the new base builder. That's actually the point where I would like to see an adjustment made.

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Altoholic - but a Blaster at Heart!

Originally Posted by SpyralPegacyon

"You gave us a world where we could fly. I can't thank you enough for that."

add more of your alts to it. you get 20,000 for each member up to 15 of them that joins. with 15 members you get 300K. more then enough to do what you want for now.

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Are bases intended only for L50s or something?

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No, they're intended to grow as your characters grow. In other words, you need to have a little patience and actually... you know.... generate Prestige by playing the game. Just like your toons aren't that powerful or robust at level 16, neither will your base be.

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add more of your alts to it. you get 20,000 for each member up to 15 of them that joins. with 15 members you get 300K. more then enough to do what you want for now.

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This pretty much nails it. If you and your friends have multiple characters, and you probably do , invite your friends' alternate toons, and have them invite yours as well. You will gain bonus prestige as Sharker pointed out AND you will earn prestige for your group, no matter what character you are playing.

Sidenote: even as players fall to the wayside and leave or certain characters don't get played anymore, leave them in the SG. You will lose prestige they earned if you kick them, as well as bonus prestige. Having too many inactive members won't be an issue unless you try to recruit alot of outside people and max out your roster.

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think its bad now....you should have seen what it was like before they cut most of the prices to a 1/3 of what they were...

....oh and get off my lawn you dang kids!

I feel for new SGs....

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The above made me giggle.Good thing the Op wasnt around before rent reduction and cost reductions,huh? I'll have a strret party on your lawn and bring the corona!!!! Aiieeee!!!!* does Mexican hat dance on the lawn**

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Well, that's the thing, I don't have ANYTHING in it that uses power. I might have tried to put a work bench in there in preparation for eventually putting in teleporters, but basically what I was after was the ability to create a decorative base with no real utility.

I mean, I realize it would grow as the characters grow, but it's only on the basic plot! even if I could fill the whole basic plot, the thing would still have room to grow.

My issue is that decorative rooms are just that: decorative. They're there exclusively because they're fun. Yet, for some reason, we're so restricted in using them that there's no fun to be had. It seems counterproductive to me.


As for adding members, the SG is really meant just for my Avengers homages, and I don't expect to have more than 6. I could add other people to the group (if they had avengers homages of their own, perhaps), but it kind of defeats the purpose of the group, and very likely no one would want to join a SG with a non-functional base.

It's just frustrating.

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My assumption (and it is just that, an assumption with little to actually back it up) is that since bases were initially envisioned as PvP areas first and foremost, decorative rooms were viewed as "defensive items" for PvP.

If you're in a decorative room, you're not in a vital area winning the PvP match. As such, they were priced through the roof originally (and just up to the roof now).

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Well, that's the thing, I don't have ANYTHING in it that uses power. I might have tried to put a work bench in there in preparation for eventually putting in teleporters, but basically what I was after was the ability to create a decorative base with no real utility.

I mean, I realize it would grow as the characters grow, but it's only on the basic plot! even if I could fill the whole basic plot, the thing would still have room to grow.

My issue is that decorative rooms are just that: decorative. They're there exclusively because they're fun. Yet, for some reason, we're so restricted in using them that there's no fun to be had. It seems counterproductive to me.


As for adding members, the SG is really meant just for my Avengers homages, and I don't expect to have more than 6. I could add other people to the group (if they had avengers homages of their own, perhaps), but it kind of defeats the purpose of the group, and very likely no one would want to join a SG with a non-functional base.

It's just frustrating.

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I totally feel for ya. edit: I'm rooting for you too!

One thing that always paid off even though its a total rip off was making that horrible personal sacrifice of converting inf to prestige. You might not want to hear this if you hate farming...

I would farm for prestige. I would use tickets and random roll all those recipes. I would take said recipes to market for cheap. I would take said profits to sg register and "Use my influence to boost the prestige of my sg"

its a personal sacrifice. Not one that is meant for everyone. One of my wishes for i15 is the prestige to inf revamp. It really is a rip off to the extreme, but thats what I'm willing to go through for prestige, additionally Iv'e had to deal with farmerhate as well.

The Twisted Burrow gives new meaning to decorating. Its not just to look pretty. Its there as a monument to creativity and skill. Its on a different level that kind of blows the "useless objects taking up space" out of the water.

Those that have seen it will testify on my behalf.

Don't give up! EVER!

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Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.

I didn't know you could convert Influence to Prestige... That could help a lot. Does that mean that I could win a costume contest and buy a million prestige?!

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no the exchange rates are ridiculous for infl to prestige. it is 1 mil infl for 2K prestige. not worth it at all. just add 9 more toons and you will get 180K prestige. im sure you haven't used up all your slots yet.

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Nope -- 1 million Inf will buy you 2000 Prestige.

In my opinion, it really is easier to just put your inf into IOs for your toons and use their actions to roll up the Prestige. As for decorative rooms, I'd recommend starting with the 3x3 Oversight room. They're listed under "Control" and they're only 50K. I have one base that's an entrance room and four Oversights, so yeah it really is a viable way to go for purely decorative stuff. One of those rooms is three stories, which isn't so hard to do either for cheap.

If you're interested in what you can do on the cheap, I'm willing to show you my bases on Virtue.

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like I said. its not for everyone. I'm a fanatic, especially about bases for obvious reasons.

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Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.

lol Yeah, I'm pretty fanatical about bases too, having been the primary guy for 7 at one time for a while there. There have been a few months where I didn't do any mishes, just base editing. I'd just rather see someone build their characters and let the base grow as they do. It's not that hard to do it that way. I have multiple personal bases that I've grown that way as well.

Seriously, add alts until you get to 15 members and then try to get in on TFs at least once a week if possible, or at least complete a story arc a week if a TF can't be done. Stay in SG mode and you'll see it all add up. It just takes a little patience.

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you must have had very little time for your friends if any at all. I know the feeling when you "just can't leave it alone"

sound advice btw. well said.

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Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.

Yeah nobody saw me much at the time, including my roommate, who also plays CoH and only saw me when I would scurry out of my room in search of more coffee. The biggest projects were some major additions/expansions to two Top 100 bases on Virtue when i13 hit. There was a lot to be done in those two SG bases, where I was quite active at the time.

Always want to make sure the SGs I do any editing for get the best and the brightest, something to show off and be proud of. I was lucky in working on those as they had a lot of Prestige to work with.

And thanks.

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one day hopefully I can see your work.

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Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.

I still have a few bases on Virtue if anyone ever wants to see.

The Horsemen of Apocalypse -- a small VG, where I have War, one of the Four Horsemen. It's essentially a dark, demonic set of temples connected by a series of subterranean tunnels. Every couple weeks I dive back in to add a few things here and there.

Shadows of Paragon -- new redside group for my heroes operating in the Isles. Small base and not much to see really yet, as it takes the place of a group I left a month or two ago now.

The House of Heroes -- my planned JLA/Avengers-style RPSG (just me and a friend for the moment) operates out of an orbital satellite and is already fully equipped with all telepads, full workshop, infirmary, customized generator, rec area (and second floor meeting room), and a superhuman testing lab. I'd like to have a second workshop and an airlock with experimental shuttlecraft put together before open recruiting begins. Sitting on about 240K in Prestige there right now. A few hundred K more and I'll be able to set up everything I want for that base. I'm guessing late July or early August until I'm ready to launch that full-time.

DH's Apartment -- my main's home has had three different layouts, representing homes in Dark Astoria, then Asgard, and now in a parallel reality where no humans apparently evolved on earth. I think I posted a few pics of the current layout in the i13 rooms thread. There are a lot of details that can't really be seen in those pics though, because of how its all set up.

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Prestige is slow to get. However, I did a test once. I made my scrapper on freedom, joined my SG at level 1, 0 XP after I just made her. Kept her in SG mode all the way until 50. When she finally dinged 50, she had amassed over 600K prestige (she has earned over 1 million prestige now).

Once you get your guys to 50, you'll have plenty of prestige to build your base. I started my SG back when SGs were just a name only and had no base. I sat there solo in my own SG for more than a year. Then bases. Expensive bases. Expensive rent. So now, we have a very nice non-PvP base with teleporters to everywhere but Terra Volta (I've been too lazy to get the beacon so far...maybe this weekend).

You're base will ramp up faster than mine did. But getting a SG off the ground and running with all the goodies takes some time...I'd estimate maybe 3-6 months or so, it's definitely a long term project.

Good luck. Post pictures when you get a chance.

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Nope -- 1 million Inf will buy you 2000 Prestige.

In my opinion, it really is easier to just put your inf into IOs for your toons and use their actions to roll up the Prestige. As for decorative rooms, I'd recommend starting with the 3x3 Oversight room. They're listed under "Control" and they're only 50K. I have one base that's an entrance room and four Oversights, so yeah it really is a viable way to go for purely decorative stuff. One of those rooms is three stories, which isn't so hard to do either for cheap.

If you're interested in what you can do on the cheap, I'm willing to show you my bases on Virtue.

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Using multiple Oversight Rooms is a great idea!

At 50K apiece, they are the cheapest large open areas in the game, and you can divide them up by raising/lowering floors, blocking the center out entirely, etc.

Can you still place the single storage item in each of them? That would handle a good bit of storage as well - for the same cost as the smallest Workshop (1X2) you could have the same utility in 3X3 room (times as many as you want to place).

Sweet!

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Altoholic - but a Blaster at Heart!

Originally Posted by SpyralPegacyon

"You gave us a world where we could fly. I can't thank you enough for that."

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Nope -- 1 million Inf will buy you 2000 Prestige.

In my opinion, it really is easier to just put your inf into IOs for your toons and use their actions to roll up the Prestige. As for decorative rooms, I'd recommend starting with the 3x3 Oversight room. They're listed under "Control" and they're only 50K. I have one base that's an entrance room and four Oversights, so yeah it really is a viable way to go for purely decorative stuff. One of those rooms is three stories, which isn't so hard to do either for cheap.

If you're interested in what you can do on the cheap, I'm willing to show you my bases on Virtue.

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Using multiple Oversight Rooms is a great idea!

At 50K apiece, they are the cheapest large open areas in the game, and you can divide them up by raising/lowering floors, blocking the center out entirely, etc.

Can you still place the single storage item in each of them? That would handle a good bit of storage as well - for the same cost as the smallest Workshop (1X2) you could have the same utility in 3X3 room (times as many as you want to place).

Sweet!

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Yep still works that way for storage, so you can drop one storage and one workshop item in each Oversight. Can only place one Combo unit per base, so you can't use that to get around power/control issues for cheap, but its very easily done for other things.

I like having RP space in my bases, so I like the larger rooms.

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Sidenote: even as players fall to the wayside and leave or certain characters don't get played anymore, leave them in the SG. You will lose prestige they earned if you kick them, as well as bonus prestige.

[/ QUOTE ] Is this true? I mean, I knew about the thing if you fall under 15 members, but I don't think you lose any earned prestige from members if they're kicked or quit the SG.

Oh also, to the OP: you can make a pretty nice and functional base with the 300k prestige bonus for having 15 members in your SG. I agree with others who've said to get your friend to invite your alts, and you invite theirs. Good luck in getting your SG and base up and running!

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Sidenote: even as players fall to the wayside and leave or certain characters don't get played anymore, leave them in the SG. You will lose prestige they earned if you kick them, as well as bonus prestige.

[/ QUOTE ] Is this true? I mean, I knew about the thing if you fall under 15 members, but I don't think you lose any earned prestige from members if they're kicked or quit the SG.

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Nope -- the Prestige you generated by your actions stays with the SG after you leave. They lose the 20k bonus if your loss drops them below 15 members, but they still keep the rest.

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Man, it's as if they don't want anyone making bases. A MILLION Influence converts to 2000 prestige? You can't put in even ONE ROOM for that. That's a BANNER.

It's ridiculous. Bases should not be endgame content.

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