Been that way since i6.
It's been noted, reported, and abused time and again for nearly 4 years now. The devs will get to it when they get to it (ie, never).
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
This was my first run in with it. It pretty much led to the decision that I'm done with PvP completely, except for possibly the arena. I don't mind the RV gank squads, I expect it anytime I venture in there. Yes, it IS annoying to get killed repeatedly, but the ones doing the killing aren't actually breaking any rules to do it.
If the devs want to nerf PvP to the ground and STILL allow such blatant griefing then I want no part of it. Which sucks, because it was a part of the game I USED to enjoy. With the addition of the PvP recipes we will be seeing more of this type of thing, if we haven't been already.
It's such a SIMPLE fix too. Just add a couple more drones in the corner the heroes hide in. That's what, maybe an hour's worth of work for a junior programmer?
My experience tonight was that a team of 4 Electric/Devices blasters could farm villain players at will and there was nothing the villains could do about it. You come out of the base, they snipe-spike you before you can even move. And once you rez (or are forced to) you have to run out of the hospital to avoid being killed again, which leads you right back into the field of snipes. Griefing, plain and simple. And if the same thing was possible in the hero hospital you can believe there would be an uproar. But since it's the villain's problem no one seems to care.
And yes, I know there are going to be people telling me to quit being such a crybaby about this, but this is a legitimate complaint about something that has been broken for over 3 years. I didn't know how long this has been an issue for, since I just recently started playing vilains more, and when I'm heroside I don't use PvP exploits to grief people like this.
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don't PvP in Siren's. No such thing can happen in RV.
You also don't get the accolade-required time badge for PvPing in RV. I don't have the luxury of being able to start a task force and lay there dead in the zone for the time badge.
And now that there is forced rezzing I can't even lay there dead while sitting at the computer.
It just annoys me that the players using this exploit think it's funny as hell while they're doing it, but if the same thing happens to them they scream bloody murder.
"LOL, did you see how many times we killed that guy and he couldn't do anything!"
turns into:
"Hey, I died, NO FAIR! They cheated!!"
The same kind of people that in a real life altercation will talk all kinds of trash while running away and come back later with 12 of their friends, at which point they become really brave all of a sudden.
I have zero respect and no use for those kinds of people.
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do you have fly and invisiability?
No I don't. The character in question is a Dark/Kin corruptor, who is never taking a travel power other than maybe SJ or SS.
It is beyond ridiculous to have to take certain powers just to be able to do NOTHING.
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The ability of hero players in Siren's Call to spawn camp INSIDE the villain hospital in the same room as the rez rings?
I went in to get the time badge (that for some stupid reason is required for an accolade) and saw some heroes in the zone, so I figured I'd do some PvPing instead of just standing around in the base. After I had been killed repeatedly (kind of cheaply, but legitimately) I saw that there were several heroes inside the hospital sniping villains as soon as their PvP timer counted down.
I generally don't complain about things in PvP, but that was just too much. There was no real way to avoid the heroes, I couldn't even stay dead because of the forced rez in zones now. If they were just hovering above the base sniping me as I came out, I could deal with that, as it isn't exploiting anything, and I would do the same myself if I had the ability.
In my book, spawn camping inside what is supposed to be a safe area for one side is a textbook example of griefing. Other than petitioning the players doing it (which I did) is there anything else I can do? Also, are there any plans to fix this that anyone is aware of, or are the devs just going to allow griefing like this?
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Its ridiculous, but what can you do? Silly people are going to log into their Vills and then TP Foe Heroes into the base for kills. Get on a toon with TP Foe and introduce them to a drone. Kids have short attention spans and will get tired of it after a cpl of drone hugs inside the base.
"Forum PvP doesn't give drops. Just so all of you who participated in this thread are aware." -Mod08-
"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
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Get on a toon with TP Foe and introduce them to a drone.
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That's just it, I don't HAVE a toon with TP Foe. There is little use for it anywhere else in the game and I hate teleport as a travel power, so I can't use it to open the pool.
My solution is easier still. I just quit PvPing.
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Are you aware that heroes doing this can be banned? Why worry so much it isn't that common.
Not really that worried. I was just bringing it to people's attention if they were unaware of it. My search for topics over the last year turned up nothing. Since I only recently started playing villains more I didn't know about this until yesterday.
I already petitioned it and, as far as I'm concerned that is the end of it.
I thought it was a new exploit, I didn't realize that it had been around for several years. Which just cements my decision to be done with PvP. They can do all these other things to th eentire PvP system, but they can't fix this exploit? Sheesh.
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Get on a toon with TP Foe and introduce them to a drone.
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That's just it, I don't HAVE a toon with TP Foe. There is little use for it anywhere else in the game and I hate teleport as a travel power, so I can't use it to open the pool.
My solution is easier still. I just quit PvPing.
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Yeah, I dont have any toons with TP Foe either...but there's always at least 1 droner in the zone on either side. Just broadcast, "heroes in the base!" and I promise you it'll all be over faster then you can make love to your wife 
"Forum PvP doesn't give drops. Just so all of you who participated in this thread are aware." -Mod08-
"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
It was the middle of the day, it started as 1 hero, and over the next 15 minutes more showed up, all from the same SG (naming them is against forum rules so I won't do so)
So, we ended up with 2 or 3 Electric/Devices blasters snipe-spiking anyone who ventured outside the hospital before they could even move, and another 2 or 3 inside the hospital waiting for PvP timers to count down. If you didn't run outside before the timer counted down they killed you in the hospital, inside the rez rings if they could. If you DID run out of the hospital you got spiked before you even finished zoning in.
No villains with TP Foe in the zone and it basically equated to the heroes farming us at will. I got disgusted and left, after petitioning the players doing the griefing. As it currently stands I don't believe I will be going back, as I'm not keen on the idea of being farmed by a bunch of jackholes using an exploit to make sure I can't defend myself or even avoid them. NPC critters can't avoid being farmed because their AI doesn't give them a choice in the matter. I can choose not to be farmed and that's exactly what I have done.
And all I really wanted was the accolade required time badge. Which I will either never get, or will get extremely slowly, because I'm not going back in there while that SG is in the zone, since from what I've seen no one ever gets punished for this behavior.
The thing I find incredibly amusing is the people using this exploit seem to think it means they are "skilled" at PvP. It doesn't take skill to spawn camp. Just like the meow farms didn't mean you were a good player because you could level fast.
Sorry about the rant, I'm sure in a few days I won't give a flying [censored], but I'm still annoyed at the moment and wanted to vent.
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I'm with ya Claws this is BS, like seriously they can't just stick a couple drones in those spots. But I do have some advice if you want that badge but don't care to sit at your computer. Just go to an AE mission so your in TF mode then go to Sirens and go AFK you wont auto log.
Everyone will agree that its BS and doesn't require skill, but I cant remember the last time I saw a group of people camping inside the base. It happens, but I don't think it happens enough to get pissed and not PvP anymore. The zones go back and forth between what side out#s the other and you just stepped into SC when it was a 15 Heroes VS 3 Vills time Im assuming. When that happens, I just head out the back door and do my thing or leave til later. Like I said, kids get bored fast.
Just my .02 cents.
"Forum PvP doesn't give drops. Just so all of you who participated in this thread are aware." -Mod08-
"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
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My experience tonight was that a team of 4 Electric/Devices blasters could farm villain players at will and there was nothing the villains could do about it. You come out of the base, they snipe-spike you before you can even move. And once you rez (or are forced to) you have to run out of the hospital to avoid being killed again, which leads you right back into the field of snipes. Griefing, plain and simple. And if the same thing was possible in the hero hospital you can believe there would be an uproar. But since it's the villain's problem no one seems to care.
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Not sure how long you've been PvPing Claw, but I remember the havoc TP foe cause when it stop breaking hide. It wasn't uncommon has a hero to get TP into a guard tower or on top of clatrops, and get double AS with little chance to escape. Or zone in only to get gang [censored] by flying forts hovering over the hospital. Just saying that sort of thing happen to both side, it's not just a villian thing.
@Intro lolPvP
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Villains can do the same thing in SC. All they have to do is log on another account or have a friend tp them into the "intensive care units" of the SC hosp. There are several safe spots where they are out of reach from drones.
I remember one time I died on my troller, rez'd into the hero hosp and ran into the hallway leading to the vators. I clicked rest and a few seconds later was hit with a impale to the back of the head. I looked around and a stalker was standing in one of the res rooms totally safe from drones (and this was after they fixed the under the map exploit).
It is easier in the vill hosp since its all connected and not separate floors, but it can be done in the heroes base.
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Since a few weeks before Issue 7 was released. I started playing just after CoV was released. So I remember stalkers one-shotting from hide. My forum reg date is about 3 months after I started playing.
I'm guessing the only reason I never saw anyone using that exploit before is because I only PvPed when I was in the mood for it, in other words, inconsistently.
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Regarding not having tpfoe, you can now create a second build and add tpfoe into it without having to spend billions of inf. So, if you go into Sirens and they start with that, change to your second build and wait for them.
Not the perfect solution, but I suppose it would serve its purpose for this occasion.
if you run into that, you can only change the build at a trainer... so if ur stuck in that loop in pvp zone, ur just roast
The ability of hero players in Siren's Call to spawn camp INSIDE the villain hospital in the same room as the rez rings?
I went in to get the time badge (that for some stupid reason is required for an accolade) and saw some heroes in the zone, so I figured I'd do some PvPing instead of just standing around in the base. After I had been killed repeatedly (kind of cheaply, but legitimately) I saw that there were several heroes inside the hospital sniping villains as soon as their PvP timer counted down.
I generally don't complain about things in PvP, but that was just too much. There was no real way to avoid the heroes, I couldn't even stay dead because of the forced rez in zones now. If they were just hovering above the base sniping me as I came out, I could deal with that, as it isn't exploiting anything, and I would do the same myself if I had the ability.
In my book, spawn camping inside what is supposed to be a safe area for one side is a textbook example of griefing. Other than petitioning the players doing it (which I did) is there anything else I can do? Also, are there any plans to fix this that anyone is aware of, or are the devs just going to allow griefing like this?
See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.