Windows 7


 

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Sorry for briging this up, but I have the same problem...

I just installed Windows 7 (Pro, 64-bits) today, then I installed CoH. First launch was ok, normal load time, log in... character selection screen... in game... Since it was the first launch, all option were set to default, so you know, very LOW resolution (something like 640*480...), with sound very HIGH and details very LOW. So I change setting to 1680*1050, 5% sound, and max details. I restart the game... And here comes the pain.
Looooooooooooooooooooong load times. It took me approximately 5 minutes to get to the log in screen, and I haven't been able to go in game (I d/c'd).
So I tried safe mode... It's small and ugly, but it's still very sloooooooooooow. I also tried to launch the game with the Compatibility Stuff set on Vista SP2, and it's the same.

Yesterday, the same computer had Vista (32-bit) and CoH was working perfectly, as it was the 2 and a half years before.


 

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Beber, please start a new thread about your issue so that it doesn't get confused with someone else's problems and so that the instructions for one person don't get confused with instructions for someone else. Post the information from your post here into the first post of the thread, along with results from the two programs below.

I'd recommend starting with Zloth's ++ Common Solutions & Posting Guidelines ++ thread that is stickied in this forum.

Secondly, post a log from running CoH Helper as it will give information about your system and the CoH installation and settings.

Thirdly, post a log from running HijackThis. This will show what else is going on on your computer while you are playing CoH.


If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.

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My August Sirs,

I swiched to Windows 7, really tired of XP I guess,
*background singers* dont know what you got...

I have a 32bit machine and use a RELESE version of Win7-home premium. I loaded COH into its own partition, from the "Good vs Evil" DVD. When launched the first time, the COH Updater download the current version which seemed to load normally.

COH does not suport Windows 7, at all, on my configuration. When you attemp to launch it locks up fast and ugly. Have to trundle the Task Manager out to scrape it off the desktop.

I have; No Router, "forced the port numbers" as recommended by COH support (my favorite), cleaned and reinstalled 'framwork3.5 .net', and loaded Aion with its new launcher. The dog won't hunt, and now I have to remove Aion not being a farie gammer.

Regards,
Jack Noir - Knights of Justice, Gurardian and Virtue


 

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Originally Posted by Jack_Noir View Post
My August Sirs,

I swiched to Windows 7, really tired of XP I guess,
*background singers* dont know what you got...

I have a 32bit machine and use a RELESE version of Win7-home premium. I loaded COH into its own partition, from the "Good vs Evil" DVD. When launched the first time, the COH Updater download the current version which seemed to load normally.

COH does not suport Windows 7, at all, on my configuration. When you attemp to launch it locks up fast and ugly. Have to trundle the Task Manager out to scrape it off the desktop.

I have; No Router, "forced the port numbers" as recommended by COH support (my favorite), cleaned and reinstalled 'framwork3.5 .net', and loaded Aion with its new launcher. The dog won't hunt, and now I have to remove Aion not being a farie gammer.

Regards,
Jack Noir - Knights of Justice, Gurardian and Virtue
See my thoughts for you in my other thread. Also I had to run the install as Administrator.

Win 7 has a tighter security setup in it, and changes to system files and registry tends to be a lot tighter. CoH was written with XP in mind, so using run as admin is required.

And I've been running the official release for 2 months thanks to being in an IT department for a living.


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Originally Posted by DJ_Shecky View Post
See my thoughts for you in my other thread. Also I had to run the install as Administrator.

Win 7 has a tighter security setup in it, and changes to system files and registry tends to be a lot tighter. CoH was written with XP in mind, so using run as admin is required.

And I've been running the official release for 2 months thanks to being in an IT department for a living.
Same here about running it on the official release for a couple of months due to where I work.

I also have my own Technet Subscription in addition to the work connection, so I've been able to test CoH with all of the various versions of Windows 7.


If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.

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Just to be sure, if you are coming from Windows XP (any of you), there is a delay when first launching the game that started with Windows Vista. The game can pause at the loading screen for a full minute and even say "(Not Responding)" in the task bar. It just sits there for anywhere from a few seconds to two minutes with the spinning wheel.

While two minutes is excessive for this issue, it can take that long on my laptop, so I include it in the range I'm willing to wait .

Three desktops, one laptop. Very different specs on all machines, and all have been doing it since I switched them to Vista a year ago.


 

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My August Sirs,
Your responces got me thinking and I realized that trying to run an update from an XP version which is a bare bones XP on a new drive was causing my problems with the launch screen not coming up. So I ripped everything apart and started over, full install of XP, service pack, and three hits of Windows Update. Then I installed Windows 7 over that and it worked sort-of. COH-updater would launch and update my software. But after Security software (Computer Associates) and something going wrong with the way COH wants to see the graphic cards COH black screened during load. Message says that I have to have Direct X 8 or later. I just installed DX-10. It says I dont have a keyboard. Trust me on this, I have a keyboard.

What the heck is going on?

Yours,
Jack Noir Knights of Justice


 

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First, I recommend starting a new thread so that your issues don't get mixed up with someone else's.

Secondly, post a log from running CoH Helper as it will give information about your system and the CoH installation and settings.

Thirdly, post a log from running HijackThis. This will show what else is going on on your computer while you are playing CoH.


If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.

Black Pebble is my new hero.

 

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My August Sirs,

The analytic tools come out.
Last time this happened I had to build a new computer.
I am not gonna die am I Doc?


I will get them up right away.

Jack Noir Knights of Justice


 

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FWIW, I migrated from Vista Business x86 to Windows 7 Professional x86 and both CoX and CO work just fine. As a matter of fact, they "seem" to run a bit faster in Windows 7... but that could be because Windows 7 is a fresh installation ;-)


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I installed Windows 7 x64 on a spare harddisk I had lying around. I then hooked my regular hard disk and ran CohUpdater directly from it. Besides the User Account Control nag screens, it patched and ran the game just fine.

I ran the game from E:\City of Heroes, not a folder under Program Files. You may want to do something similar and install it in C:\City of Heroes.

As of performance, it seemed to go a bit slower in Windows 7 than in XP. However, I'm currently stuck with a cruddy integrated Intel graphics card until I get my 9800gt back from the store (it was broken) so I'll wait until I have my card back before running a proper benchmark.


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Originally Posted by Jack_Noir View Post
My August Sirs,
Your responces got me thinking and I realized that trying to run an update from an XP version which is a bare bones XP on a new drive was causing my problems with the launch screen not coming up. So I ripped everything apart and started over, full install of XP, service pack, and three hits of Windows Update. Then I installed Windows 7 over that and it worked sort-of. COH-updater would launch and update my software. But after Security software (Computer Associates) and something going wrong with the way COH wants to see the graphic cards COH black screened during load. Message says that I have to have Direct X 8 or later. I just installed DX-10. It says I dont have a keyboard. Trust me on this, I have a keyboard.

What the heck is going on?

Yours,
Jack Noir Knights of Justice
First off, you have me a bit confused. There is no upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7. To install Windows 7 over Windows XP you need to wipe and load Windows 7 only. Microsoft has no upgrade that way.

Are you sure you have a legitimate copy of Win 7? How old is your hardware? What are your system specs?

I'd like to know those plus the CoH Helper and Hijack This Logs.


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You do not need to install any OS in order to "upgrade" to Windows 7. There are two methods of doing a completely fresh W7 install using the upgrade disk.

The first way is to format your drive, then install the upgrade. CANCEL when it asks you to activate. When it gets to the dekstop (Windows 7 thinks it is a trial version until activated), start the install process again. It will run the upgrade but not actually do anything.

Another option is to follow these instructions.


 

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ive had no problems running any game, or with anything since updating to windows 7 64 bit. actually...windows 7 seems to make my system run better. i did play with a few options, but was nothing that anyone shouldnt be doing to optimize their computers. im more likely to blame your set up then the OS.


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Originally Posted by Mephisto_Kur View Post
You do not need to install any OS in order to "upgrade" to Windows 7. There are two methods of doing a completely fresh W7 install using the upgrade disk.

The first way is to format your drive, then install the upgrade. CANCEL when it asks you to activate. When it gets to the dekstop (Windows 7 thinks it is a trial version until activated), start the install process again. It will run the upgrade but not actually do anything.

Another option is to follow these instructions.
These are not Supported by Microsoft in the least, so if there winds up a problem you have no recourse.


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These are not Supported by Microsoft in the least, so if there winds up a problem you have no recourse.
Windows XP to Windows 7 upgrades, while legit, are also not officially supported.


 

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Originally Posted by Mephisto_Kur View Post
Windows XP to Windows 7 upgrades, while legit, are also not officially supported.
And I have said as such. Actually from a licensing standpoint both are Illegal.


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Originally Posted by DJ_Shecky View Post
And I have said as such. Actually from a licensing standpoint both are Illegal.
This is incorrect. Upgrades for Windows 7 are legit for any previous version of Windows from XP up to Vista. As long as you have a valid previous OS key, the method I posted, and the method being used by the others in thread are completely legal.


 

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Originally Posted by Mephisto_Kur View Post
This is incorrect. Upgrades for Windows 7 are legit for any previous version of Windows from XP up to Vista. As long as you have a valid previous OS key, the method I posted, and the method being used by the others in thread are completely legal.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Mic...670729/?kc=rss

http://cnettv.cnet.com/upgrade-windows-xp-to-windows-7/

Both say it is not supported or allowed according to Microsoft. Just because you can do it your way does not mean legal.


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Originally Posted by DJ_Shecky View Post
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Mic...670729/?kc=rss

http://cnettv.cnet.com/upgrade-windows-xp-to-windows-7/

Both say it is not supported or allowed according to Microsoft. Just because you can do it your way does not mean legal.
From your article:

Quote:
Microsoft, of course, would like the community to follow its EULA (End User License Agreement), which stipulates that in order to upgrade a user must already have a "qualifying full license" attached to a previous version of Windows.
Now, from my response above:

Quote:
As long as you have a valid previous OS key, the method I posted, and the method being used by the others in thread are completely legal.


 

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It occurs to me that this may a simple case of you not quite understanding what you are reading.

Windows XP --> Windows 7 is a valid upgrade. It is supported by Microsoft.

However, the upgrade process moving from XP to 7 must be done using the Custom install option. The operating systems are so different that Windows 7 will not actually upgrade XP, it will replace it.

So, XP to 7 is allowed, legal, and can be started using the upgrade disk.

Actual upgrade process gives you a clean Windows 7 drive because XP cannot be directly upgraded to Windows 7.

Do you understand?


 

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Originally Posted by Mephisto_Kur View Post
It occurs to me that this may a simple case of you not quite understanding what you are reading.

Windows XP --> Windows 7 is a valid upgrade. It is supported by Microsoft.

However, the upgrade process moving from XP to 7 must be done using the Custom install option. The operating systems are so different that Windows 7 will not actually upgrade XP, it will replace it.

So, XP to 7 is allowed, legal, and can be started using the upgrade disk.

Actual upgrade process gives you a clean Windows 7 drive because XP cannot be directly upgraded to Windows 7.

Do you understand?
Ok, that makes sense, but only if you have a Full Version license, and I"m reading there are problems with some OEM XP licenses.


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If that is the case, it is something specific with either those physical OEM XP disks, or a hardware issue that would be causing the problem. There is absolutely no physical difference between a full version XP disk and an OEM XP disk. The only difference is the level of support directly from MS due to the licensing difference.

Also, you can certainly use an XP upgrade as your license for the Windows 7 license. Microsoft is not distinguishing between the installs, only that the license to use the old OS is valid.


 

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To clarify, when they say "full license" in the EULA, they mean a fully licensed operating system, not a full install disk. When discussing the EULA, you must remember that the license and the media it applies to are not actually the same thing.


 

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Originally Posted by Mephisto_Kur View Post
You do not need to install any OS in order to "upgrade" to Windows 7. There are two methods of doing a completely fresh W7 install using the upgrade disk.

The first way is to format your drive, then install the upgrade. CANCEL when it asks you to activate. When it gets to the dekstop (Windows 7 thinks it is a trial version until activated), start the install process again. It will run the upgrade but not actually do anything.

Another option is to follow these instructions.
Note the initial instructions (following the link) are what I did. I had a new hard drive (one I initially t hought was going bad and replaced, until I noticed what I was actually reading in the system logs.) One partition, formatted. Dropped that in so there was no OS on the machine at all. Ran the upgrade, registered, done.

What I found interesting is that it never asked me for the old OS key. I had it handy, but never needed it. Never needed to have anything to do with XP during the install at all.