Talk about being stuck between a rock and a thick skull. If I go to a fort with a boss, then by d*** I'm taking out that boss turret, and I'm burning one turret to the ground at a time before moving on to the next one. I've been playing all my toons that way because it worked for my blaster. And it has not been working for the rest of them.
Really appreciate the tips in here, folks.
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That's funny. I counted 21 posts where people were telling the OP the proper tactics to get shivans or confirming that those tactics actually work if they are used.
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If the OP wants to be treated in a civil manner the he needs to act like an adult.
If he chooses to verbally bite the people that were gracious enough to give him the correct answer to his question then as a result he will be treated accordingly. Now he is reaping what he has sown.
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Always save the last charge to take down the turrets to get the next batch of 5. Makes things less of a pain in the [censored].
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You're a genius.
I take my crab spider in for shivan runs almost every week. I have no problems taking down a firebase by myself, I take out the 4 outter turrets, then hurry up and take out the inner 4, then go in and collect my shard.
Also, you really need to stop taking offense to people trying to help you. If something they suggested didn't work, just simply say, "Hey, I didn't seem to have the best of luck with what you suggested", and just leave it at that.
I also agree that you don't need shivans to best anything in this game. If you do, then I seriously think you need to reevaluate your build and or as was suggested plan out a better attack strategy.
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1. The turrets respawn on a 5 minute timer.
2. Bloody Bay has inspiration vendors. Use them.
3. The best insp load for squishies v. EBs is three to four defense, one break free, and the rest damage. Really, popping six damage allows you to take down the EB within the minute of protection you get from the defense insps. Oh, and make sure you're on diff level 1.
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1. The turrets respawn on a 5 minute timer.
2. Bloody Bay has inspiration vendors. Use them.
3. The best insp load for squishies v. EBs is three to four defense, one break free, and the rest damage. Really, popping six damage allows you to take down the EB within the minute of protection you get from the defense insps. Oh, and make sure you're on diff level 1.
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If on diff 3 swap one damage insp for an accuracy.
Thats my basic anti -EB lowbie kitout
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And keep in mind: "Debating the opinion is appropriate, however criticism against the originator of the opinion is not allowed."
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knew i could count on Aett to bring a sarcastic comment in first thing. "just ignore him"
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For Aett's comment to be taken as sarcastic, you would have to think your strategy was the best possible, or that you have nothing to learn.
Maybe you didn't like hearing it, but that's another can of worms. Meanwhile, I bet the Devs, who strive to create missions that require a little teeny bit of thought to accomplish, as opposed to just clicking, are kinda tired of hearing "this is impossible" every time they do so. Maybe that sounds sarcastic to them. 
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I can argue without insulting people. I promise.
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Talk about being stuck between a rock and a thick skull. If I go to a fort with a boss, then by d*** I'm taking out that boss turret, and I'm burning one turret to the ground at a time before moving on to the next one. I've been playing all my toons that way because it worked for my blaster. And it has not been working for the rest of them.
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... why not find a firebase *without* a boss turret then? 
Find one that's all minions, or all minions and LTs (dual and quads.)
And boss, LT, or Minion turret... why "burn one to the ground," when that's precisely what ISN'T helping, and is going directly against the advice given?
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Bloody Bay
Level: 15-25
Minigame: Collect ore samples
Reward: A Shivan Shard (5 uses, summon Shivan Devestator elite boss. Re-obtainable.)
Mobs: Arachnos, Longbow, Freakshow, Shivans, Circle of Thorns, Banished Pantheon, sometimes Ghosts.
Other temp powers: Hyper Stealth for completing the patrol mission
Special notes: Only PVP zone you can freely buy inspirations in.
This and Warburg have the "goodie" powers most folks go after. The Shivan Shard is very useful. As a squishy, it's extra damage and distraction. It's nice having a pocket tank - and if you use it up, you can go get another one.
Before doing anything, talk to the Longbow or Arachnos liaison there. Get the Patrol mission. (I know, "I don't want to PVP." You've done PVE patrols where you click on callboxes, right? Same thing.) Why do I stress doing this? Stealth without taking a pool. 30 minutes, and it's able to be obtained up to three times. It'll make a difference, and you should be able to finish the mission in three minutes or less. Stealth is *big* here - very few people will have Tactics or other +Perception powers.
Hit the callboxes, see the operative - boom, you have stealth! It does use END like any other power. (It does also stack with Hide, by the way.) Why do you want this? Because you WANT the Shivan. Go ahead, you don't have to hide it, I know you do... even if you don't yet.
No, don't go out yet. This is the only zone you can freely purchase inspirations in. Some people complain about them - so what. Use them. Pick up some purples (for fending off Shivan attacks at the meteors,) maybe a Sturdy (TP Foe protection,) and you'll probably want some CABs and Respites if you do take damage. And never forget the Breakfree.
Now, look at your map (hit "M.") You'll see green dots scattered throughout it. Those are the locations of the meteors. Talk to the scientist/evil scientist. He'll give you another temp power (ooh, shiny.) That's your ore collector... no, don't go out yet.
Look out from your base. What do you see? (Other than perhaps the other side running around.) If you answered water, go get a cookie. For all people complain about Stalkers, especially in here, all that blue stuff is a *big* bonus against them. Why?
In a PVP zone, you must be aware of your surroundings. Including two things:
- The sound of a weapon being unsheathed (depending on the powerset) and
- the water rippling.
Yes, the water will *ripple* if someone's moving in it. Three travel powers - Superjump, Superspeed, and Teleport - will still give themselves away no matter how well they're hidden. If you play in first person or the default view... learn to zoom out a little. It'll save your neck.
I will give a little more detail on how to do the meteor mission further down. The reader's digest version is:
- Get a sample from each meteor
- Go defeat a firebase
- Use the ore processor inside to make a sample
- Return to the (evil) scientist for your reward.
If a PLAYER defeats you at any point that you have samples, they'll get your sample and you'll have to start over. If you die to a PVE mob, you won't. How will they know you have samples?
You'll glow green.
Aren't you glad I mentioned grabbing that hyper stealth power first....
Beating the Bloody Bay Minigame.
OK. You have your nice stealth power. Time to get yourself a Shivan. Yes, you can do this - even solo.
Head over to Vidiotmaps bloody bay map to take a look at the layout. The main island is in a (general) "U" shape, with forests in the east, city in the west. The hero base is to the north, the villain base in the southeast.
Scattered along the island are the two things you need to work with for this mission:
- Meteor fragments (shown as green dots) and
- Firebases (red and white rectangles.)
The first thing I do before going *anywhere* is scout the firebases. I look at the ones closest to my base - southwest for the hero base, northwest and west for the villain base.
Firebases have a bunker in the middle (with four popup antipersonnel guns) and four turrets that surround them. The turrets are what you want to pay attention to. There will be a mix of three types of turrets:
- Minion (Dual Artillery gun)
- Lieutenant (Quad Artillery Gun)
- Boss (Missile turret.)
*USUALLY* the ones nearest the base don't have Boss turrets, but that's not always the case. Look for one that's all minion, or minion and lieutenant, preferrably white and yellow - the faster you can do this, the better.
There are two key points to remember when dealing with firebases:
- The turrets don't regenerate, and
- The turrets respawn on a timer - but ONLY destroyed ones, and all at once. Damaged turrets are left as is.
Once you find a suitable base, start attacking. Take all the turrets down to a sliver of health - do NOT defeat any of them. Try not to use attacks that have a damage-over-time component to them when they get low on health. Once they're all low... go grab meteor fragments.
If you look at the map I linked to above and go to the right (forested) side, you'll see one meteor smack dab in the middle of a bunch of trees. Hello, Meteor Panch. Regardless of what you do after this, I suggest getting this one first. Why? It's the most enclosed, dangerous one to get. There are mobs around it (Banished Pantheon - some of which will pop up from the ground - and Circle of Thorns, typically.) Plus, there's a canopy above, so you can't just fly up and out of the way (or teleport, or SJ.) Enemy players can ambush you here, as well.
As I mentioned in the guide - pick up inspirations. Pop a pair of lucks as you get close - primarily to avoid NPC attacks, especially Shivans, as the "ore collection" is interruptable. Once you get this, get out of there.
For the rest of the meteors - I love having Fly, or at least Hover, and some sort of stealth. Coming at the meteors from ground level, you have to get *close,* and the Shivans will aggro on you as you get close. I've gotten "Out of Range" at 30 feet and less. If you can fly, though, you can come down, even unstealthed, and at 59 feet directly above the meteor you can collect the ore sample. The shivans sometimes wont' aggro *at all,* and if they do, it's usually too late to do anything about you having a sample.
Yes, remember, 59 feet, not yards.
The order you get the other meteors is purely up to you - I like to work my way from those farthest from my base to those closest. The Heroes have another potential trap to worry about - the Water Street meteor (Ek) is inside a scaffold-work, and it's somewhat easy to get hung up inside or have someone try to box you in.
At five meteors - find your firebase, and destroy one of the outer turrets. Since you want this to be quick, destroy a minion turret. Leave the others alone. Get your sixth meteor, and go back to the firebase... then wait.
Watch the turret you destroyed. Sometime within five minutes, it'll respawn. Destroy it again - you have five minutes from the time it respawns to destroy the other seven turrets (three outer, four machine gun on the bunker) and get into the bunker. When there, click the ore converter and book to your scientist. (Make sure it actually *converts* the ore - you'll go from a set of six samples to a single one.)
THe bunker, as you see, is another great place to be ambushed - just two single-character-sized exits. Don't waste time. Convert and go. If you click on something that says "Firebase defenses inactive," go around the pillair in the middle and click on the ore converter instead.
When you meet the scientist, he'll take the sample and give you a Shivan Shard. You now have your own pet Elite Boss Jello-tank.
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Perhaps I'm arguing with the metric that decided they were a genius?
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Perhaps I'm arguing with the metric that decided they were a genius?
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Wait... what is it we're talking about having in our hands...?
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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