City of Heroes: Live Forum Archive

O-portal limited to level 25, why?

AnimeWarrior252

By AnimeWarrior252,
Posted on: 2009-05-21 12:37 in Player Questions

 

Posted

These are all good thoughts. I guess it comes down to limiting the travel-power aspect of it, because as stated there are other ways for a lowbie to do O-zone missions while teamed.

As I've done a fair amount of the Oro stuff and I'm familiar with the zones having played the game for quite a while, I was mainly looking forward to it for the travel reduction, so was a little disappointed when I clicked and found I couldn't even use that part of it until 25.

It is how it is, I'll have the toon in question to 25 before long anyways, so it's not a biggie, but I did wonder.

K5K - The Killbot 5000
A Spanner In The Works Part One, ArcID: 336662, A Spanner In The Works Part Two, ArcID: 336665, Enter Japes, ArcID: 96001
In The Darkness Creeping, ArcID: 347709, When Dimensions Collide, ArcID: 412416.

 

Posted

[ QUOTE ]
Just wish you could choose where you wanted to teleport directly, instead of zoning into Oro and then rezoning into the new location.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's what the Ferries and Trams are for. Seriously, the Ouroportal is not meant to be used as a zone to zone teleportation device. That is just a fringe benefit.

 

Posted

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
<QR>
Because the content from the contacts in Ouroboros is 25+.

[Yes, I know you can still do Flashbacks from a base if you are lower level as long as you are teamed with the person starting who has to be 25+. It would appear the Devs wanted the Ouroboros content to be level restricted. ]

[/ QUOTE ]

The Shivans in the intro Arc are level 25. But you can enter BB at 15 and be auto sked to 25 and fight shivans. Lower than that you may not be able to handle the Shivans as well.

But also think of it as your reward for making it half way to 50.

[/ QUOTE ]

My point was you cannot get any of the Ouroboros contact's arcs/TF's until you are 25, so there is no reason to allow character's under 25 into the zone (other than the secondary effect of having a zone travel power). I doubt it has to do with Shivans as you can face those villainside at level 15 in Marshal Brass' arc.

[/ QUOTE ]

Agreed. It's not just the level range of certain mobs used in missions, it has a lot to do with the AV/EB and their abilities. Just at a rough mentail estimate of their powers and abilities, they're most assuredly not lowbie friendly. People exemping down with 50s have trouble with Nosferatu as-is.

"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill

 

Posted

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
No, Doc Delialah level 20-24 gives it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Both do, I think.

Edit: It's for Doc Delilah and Agent G's arcs. There we go.

[/ QUOTE ]

yepper, them's it. I only mentioned Doc because she introduces Agent G and so is technically first (as far as I know) even if they are for the same level range. I've never gotten the portal from the G man. It has always been her or a friendly portal trip to grab the badge.

 

Posted

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
No, Doc Delialah level 20-24 gives it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Both do, I think.

Edit: It's for Doc Delilah and Agent G's arcs. There we go.

[/ QUOTE ]

yepper, them's it. I only mentioned Doc because she introduces Agent G and so is technically first (as far as I know) even if they are for the same level range. I've never gotten the portal from the G man. It has always been her or a friendly portal trip to grab the badge.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm guessing very few (if any) have received the portal from G. After all, you don't get introduced to him until after you have completed Doc Delilah's arc. So by the time you get to Agent G, you already have the O-Portal.

 

Posted

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
No, Doc Delialah level 20-24 gives it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Both do, I think.

Edit: It's for Doc Delilah and Agent G's arcs. There we go.

[/ QUOTE ]

yepper, them's it. I only mentioned Doc because she introduces Agent G and so is technically first (as far as I know) even if they are for the same level range. I've never gotten the portal from the G man. It has always been her or a friendly portal trip to grab the badge.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm guessing very few (if any) have received the portal from G. After all, you don't get introduced to him until after you have completed Doc Delilah's arc. So by the time you get to Agent G, you already have the O-Portal.

[/ QUOTE ] If you are introduced to Doc, but don't start her arc right away (let's say you lvl up during a couple TFs or something), she'll still introduce you to him as the next contact even before you finish her arc. You might even be able to skip Doc entirely if you started Jim but leveled up a lot before you returned.

 

Posted

I got the Entrusted With the Secret Badge, and the O-Portal Power on my Hero who is in the high 20's(about Level 27, I think), from Agent G!

Try my 3 MArcs: I.D.#67166:Protect the Artifacts!! I.D.#97724:Level-Up Time. I.D.#243803:Witch War! Salem vs. Croatoa!

 

Posted

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
No, Doc Delialah level 20-24 gives it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Both do, I think.

Edit: It's for Doc Delilah and Agent G's arcs. There we go.

[/ QUOTE ]

yepper, them's it. I only mentioned Doc because she introduces Agent G and so is technically first (as far as I know) even if they are for the same level range. I've never gotten the portal from the G man. It has always been her or a friendly portal trip to grab the badge.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm guessing very few (if any) have received the portal from G. After all, you don't get introduced to him until after you have completed Doc Delilah's arc. So by the time you get to Agent G, you already have the O-Portal.

[/ QUOTE ] If you are introduced to Doc, but don't start her arc right away (let's say you lvl up during a couple TFs or something), she'll still introduce you to him as the next contact even before you finish her arc. You might even be able to skip Doc entirely if you started Jim but leveled up a lot before you returned.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, outleveling her will do that.

If you go to Doc after popping 25 (and you haven't previously started her arc) she won't give you her arc and will instead introduce you directly to Agent G. In that case you would get the Ouroportal from G instead.

Note: I still have a level 6 who has an Ouroportal as a result of having both the one and two year anniversary badges.

 

Posted

[ QUOTE ]
If you go to Doc after popping 25 (and you haven't previously started her arc) she won't give you her arc and will instead introduce you directly to Agent G. In that case you would get the Ouroportal from G instead.

[/ QUOTE ]

That doesn't seem right either. Both Delilah and G are levels 20-24. So if you outlevel Doc Delilah, then you would outlevel Agent G as well. Or is Agent G one of those contacts who will give you his arc right at 25 even though he is 20-24?

 

Posted

[ QUOTE ]
I honestly think that its to Give Us Something To Look Forward To. Part of the appeal of any MMORGP, which always have a strong element of repetition, is the earning of rewards that the player can look forward to. When I hit 20 I can get a cape! When I hit 25 I can use the O-port! When I hit 51, I get my epic winged mount! Or whatever. If every Good Thing were available to every character at level 1, many would find the excitement of leveling to be diminished. Less feelings of excitement in the game for whatever reasons = more cancellations.

So you don't get your O-port until 25 because it would eventually bankrupt Paragon City.

[/ QUOTE ]


I tend to lean toward this as an explanation. It gives you something else to attain as you get higher. I realize that on Villain side, PVP zones aside, there are NO zones any level villain can't visit.. Not sure I'd be to comfortable wandering Grandville with a 2 level but it can be done. Hero side we have the Hazard and Trial zones that no one can access until they reach a certain level. [Striga is 20, Crey Folley 30, etc].

Using the same logic .. why can't a 5 level get into the RWZ or Cimmerora? Because the villain groups there start at 35 and you earn the right to battle there by attaining level 35 (and completing the Midnighter Club Arc for Cimmerora). It's just another goal to attain. Also think about it.. COH side there is 1 badge mission between levels 5-9, one more between 10-15, and one more between 16-20. It's not until level 20-25 that a hero even has the opportunity to earn 2 badges doing door mission and at the lower levels very few contacts even have a story arc. If a 10 level had access to Ouroboros and time travel missions exactly HOW much could he or she possibly do?

Now as a travel aid it's great. Between that and the Midnighter club, the RWZ, my base portals. My vet reward that allows me to tp to base from anywhere and the mission teleporter I got with the Magic Pack I can get just about anywhere FAST. So you have to earn the right to use it by reaching level 25 ... They had to, or decided to, come up with limit and that's what they chose. Hey you can second guess the Devs forever.. Why do I have to wait until level 14 for a permanent travel power? Why do I have to all but waste two power selections when all I really want from the fitness pool is Stamina? Why after level 32 do I suddenly stop gaining a new power every other level? To quote one of the other posters here.. Cause WE said so (THE DEVS) lol

�We�re always the good guys. In D&D, we�re lawful good. In City of Heroes we�re the heroes. In Grand Theft Auto we pay the prostitutes promptly and never hit them with a bat.� � Leonard
�Those women are prostitutes? You said they were raising money for stem cell research!� � Sheldon

 

Posted

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not griping about this, it just struck me as strange that I could acquire it but not be able to use it until 25. I think both Tealeaf and ClawsandEffect have a lot of good ideas about why it might have been this way.

Also, I guess the missions concerned were in the game already set to their appropriate level ranges and so in adding the ability to learn about time-travel to those missions that contain a time travel element seemed like a good fit even if you couldn't use it until later.

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe there is possibly another reason for the level restriction, and that is Oroboros is often used as a quick method to travel fast to another zone without having to resort to ferries/trains. Since O-portals can put you in some not so convenient places in zones you might get into trouble as a sub 25.

Actually the portal brings another issue to my mind. On the villian side the portal will take you to all the zones except MI & PO, and on the heroside it only goes to AP/IP/Talos/FF/PI. If they can send a portal to anyplace in time/place then why are the locations being artificially limited?

"It is that balance, the ground between EB and AV, where the PvP struggle should exist. Where a 1v1 becomes a struggle of equals, and 1vMany gives the benefit to the 1."

Freedom: Fireocity, Electro Imp, Gotya
Infinity: Meteor Storm, Mutai Kid, General Bot, Da Smasher

 

Posted

[ QUOTE ]
Also think about it.. COH side there is 1 badge mission between levels 5-9, one more between 10-15, and one more between 16-20. It's not until level 20-25 that a hero even has the opportunity to earn 2 badges doing door mission and at the lower levels very few contacts even have a story arc.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is a little inaccurate. Badge missions for low levels:

5-9: Negotiator
9-14: Spelinker (I have actually got the contact and the mission as low as 9.)
15-19: Plague Stopper and Rescuer (Penelope Yin)
20-24: Pwnz
22-24: Spirit Warrior (It's supposed to be 20-24, but it is bugged to where the earliest it is offered is 22.)

As for low level story arcs? There are plenty to get you into the 20s.

5-15: The Hollows (4 arcs)
10-14: Bonefire, The Clockwork Captive, and Vahzilok Pollutant Plot
15-19: 2 Arcs in Faultline (Temblor and Yin), Tsoo Shenanigans, Mind of a King, and the Zombie Cooties (aka Vahzilok Plague)

There's also the Midnighter arc as early as 10, plus the Kheldian arcs for our squiddies. And once you hit 20, you have arcs coming out the wazoo with Faultline, Striga, and Talos/Indy, plus Croatoa starting at 25.

 

Posted

Mr. Tealeaf got the oport on one of his characters around level six by tagging along with one of my older characters using the pillar of fire and ice from our SG. I think that a level one or two could probably get it, though not without dinging within the time of the mission.

I'm Tealeaf, and I approve of this message.


See [URL="http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?p=2134817#post2134817"]Useful Tagging for the good of the Forum[/URL], my guide to tags.

 

Posted

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
If you go to Doc after popping 25 (and you haven't previously started her arc) she won't give you her arc and will instead introduce you directly to Agent G. In that case you would get the Ouroportal from G instead.

[/ QUOTE ]

That doesn't seem right either. Both Delilah and G are levels 20-24. So if you outlevel Doc Delilah, then you would outlevel Agent G as well. Or is Agent G one of those contacts who will give you his arc right at 25 even though he is 20-24?

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe so, yes. I may be mistaken now that I think about it though. It's been a little bit since I did those arcs, and I never specifically outleveled Doc before to test this. But I do recall once going to Doc and not being able to get her arc and getting G's arc instead. Now I am going to have to go and test this out to make sure.