Try using the energy shield, and setting the tone to black. It should react by making it almost transparent.
You still animate like you have one, including that silly walk.
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I have, but I still see the shield 
And like mentioned, you still animate like you have one.
Admittedly, if they made this set, we'd see less Shield users, but I don't think the shield users would all leave.
It'd also be a way for Claws, Dual Blades, Spines, Katana, and Stalkers to have the set.
But yeah, like I said...game play wise, I love the set. It's just having the shield...it limits the concepts for such a great set.
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We waited so long to get shields I guess we shouldn't be suprised someone would complain that they have to have a shield to use the set.
Without the Shield, I think they'd be obliged to put effects on everything again.
I like the fact that Shields has practically no auras visible.
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Just wait, If/When we get Dual Pistols -blue side- someone will complain about that. Be it the attacks, animation, names..
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Just wait, If/When we get Dual Pistols -blue side- someone will complain about that. Be it the attacks, animation, names..
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I want to shoot bullets out of both hands, but not have a stupid 'gun' there. Can't we have a Dual Pistol set without the pistols?
Oh, and happy birthday!
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Ohhh man I rolled a Thugs/PD MM last night and I really want DP empaths now.
"I can heal your wounds and make you a tiny god."
"What do you do to help yourself?"
"I shoot people in the face."
Pistols are vastly sexier then rifles when dressed skimpy.
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We waited so long to get shields I guess we shouldn't be suprised someone would complain that they have to have a shield to use the set.
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Just wait, If/When we get Dual Pistols -blue side- someone will complain about that. Be it the attacks, animation, names..
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I want to shoot bullets out of both hands, but not have a stupid 'gun' there. Can't we have a Dual Pistol set without the pistols?
Oh, and happy birthday!
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Oooh! Yes, I wanna shoot bullets out of my pointy finger so I can bind: RATTA-TATATATATATATATATATATATAT!! when running down the street.
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We waited so long to get shields I guess we shouldn't be suprised someone would complain that they have to have a shield to use the set.
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I want to shoot bullets out of both hands, but not have a stupid 'gun' there. Can't we have a Dual Pistol set without the pistols?
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That is exactly what we need.
We'll always have Paragon.
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We waited so long to get shields I guess we shouldn't be suprised someone would complain that they have to have a shield to use the set.
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I want to shoot bullets out of both hands, but not have a stupid 'gun' there. Can't we have a Dual Pistol set without the pistols?
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That is exactly what we need.
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We NEED this option for Bots MM's...
*points his finger at you* *pew* *pew* *pew* *pew*
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To be fair...while I find shields a fun set...I did not wait for shields. In fact, I asked many times for something else entirely, as Shields in superhero comicbooks is used by so few.
Again, great set, still more of a fantasy style powerset, than superhero.
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I don't really understand this. Not when we had SWAT shields and Blue Steel in-game far before any other example of shields (ie, Cimerorans).
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But yeah, like I said...game play wise, I love the set. It's just having the shield...it limits the concepts for such a great set.
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That picking Shield Defence limits a concept to using a shield is pretty much the point - the set was introduced to allow people to use a shield for their character. Asking for shield defence without the shield is little different from asking for Assault Rifle without the assault rifle or Broadsword without the broadsword. It is what it is.
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You want Shield Defense without a Shield for a concept?
So, why don't you take one of the other Defensive sets? Try Willpower. It has many of the same strong points as Shield Defense.
Or is this really just about wanting to do a Shield Charge without having to use a Shield?
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You want Shield Defense without a Shield for a concept?
So, why don't you take one of the other Defensive sets? Try Willpower. It has many of the same strong points as Shield Defense.
Or is this really just about wanting to do a Shield Charge without having to use a Shield?
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It's all of it. :P
I have a lvl 44 Shielder, I have multiple 50 WPs (and ones not 50).
It's really just about all around loving the set, but the shield not working with the concept.
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But yeah, like I said...game play wise, I love the set. It's just having the shield...it limits the concepts for such a great set.
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That picking Shield Defence limits a concept to using a shield is pretty much the point - the set was introduced to allow people to use a shield for their character. Asking for shield defence without the shield is little different from asking for Assault Rifle without the assault rifle or Broadsword without the broadsword. It is what it is.
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Okay...can I ask it this way...
Can we get a powerset, that has all the same powers as shield, but doesn't actually use a shield?
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Again, great set, still more of a fantasy style powerset, than superhero.
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I don't really understand this. Not when we had SWAT shields and Blue Steel in-game far before any other example of shields (ie, Cimerorans).
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SWAT does not equal superhero.
Blue Shield is CoH's Captain America.
How many superheroes in comics, use a shield?
Where does one usually see many shield users? Dungeon & Dragons and other medevil fantasy settings.
Again, love the set, hell, I love the Talasorian Shield (it's why I even made a shield user)...but, yup, after that...all done.
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Besides, like I said...get rid of the shield, and then stalkers, dual bladers, claw users, katana wielders can all use a fun set as well.
Stance change (probably hardest part), and power renames...call the set Tactical Training.
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Not likely.
If they added alternate versions of one set, then they would have to add alternate versions of all the other sets. (And don't think they wouldn't, because yes. They would.)
Ultimately I think Willpower's as close to a Shieldless Shield Defense set as you're going to get.
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I don't care how it's happens, I just want a power like Against All Odds that I can use for a Spines Scrapper.
I highly doubt the devs are going to give us a set that exactly duplicates another, with different animations and graphics.
It's like asking for Spines without the spines, or Archery without the bow.
If your character's concept doesn't include a shield, why are you so dead set on using the shield set? I can think of half a dozen non-traditional concepts utilizing a shield that isn't a real shield. No one ever said it has to be a chunk of wood and metal on your arm. It could be anything you can imagine, here's some ideas utilizing the elemental shields:
My Shield/DM tank has a symbiote that attached itself to his left arm. The symbiote lives off of the host's energy, in return defending the host from harm. Using the Dark Elemental shield for this one.
I had a MA/Shield scrapper who had an energy gauntlet. The downside to it is the gauntlet was malfunctioning and could only form an energy field a couple feet across. Energy or Electric shield.
Fire/Shield scrapper with duality of powers, one side of the body produces fire, the other side produces ice. But a solid sheet of ice is all they have managed to develop yet. Using the Ice shield, naturally. You could also make a Shield/Fire tank and take the Ice Mastery epic pool to represent them gaining more control over their ice powers.
Shield/Stone tank or Stone/Shield brute. The ability to create various simple crystalline and rock shapes, but only in contact with your hands and arms. As soon as you let go of the shape you've created it crumbles away. You could use 3 different shields for this set, and create different costumes to go with it.
Your problem is you're not thinking far enough outside the box. You seem to be stuck on "a shield is a piece of metal that you wear on your arm" Use your imagination a little more and I'm sure you can come up with some kind of concept that works for you.
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I highly doubt the devs are going to give us a set that exactly duplicates another, with different animations and graphics.
It's like asking for Spines without the spines, or Archery without the bow.
If your character's concept doesn't include a shield, why are you so dead set on using the shield set? I can think of half a dozen non-traditional concepts utilizing a shield that isn't a real shield. No one ever said it has to be a chunk of wood and metal on your arm. It could be anything you can imagine, here's some ideas utilizing the elemental shields:
My Shield/DM tank has a symbiote that attached itself to his left arm. The symbiote lives off of the host's energy, in return defending the host from harm. Using the Dark Elemental shield for this one.
I had a MA/Shield scrapper who had an energy gauntlet. The downside to it is the gauntlet was malfunctioning and could only form an energy field a couple feet across. Energy or Electric shield.
Fire/Shield scrapper with duality of powers, one side of the body produces fire, the other side produces ice. But a solid sheet of ice is all they have managed to develop yet. Using the Ice shield, naturally. You could also make a Shield/Fire tank and take the Ice Mastery epic pool to represent them gaining more control over their ice powers.
Shield/Stone tank or Stone/Shield brute. The ability to create various simple crystalline and rock shapes, but only in contact with your hands and arms. As soon as you let go of the shape you've created it crumbles away. You could use 3 different shields for this set, and create different costumes to go with it.
Your problem is you're not thinking far enough outside the box. You seem to be stuck on "a shield is a piece of metal that you wear on your arm" Use your imagination a little more and I'm sure you can come up with some kind of concept that works for you.
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Actually, I figured I could just say it's a aura effect of using her powers. But doing that, I really want it to look like a butterfly. Maybe I should just ask for a translucent butterfly effect for shields.
To Talon Lee: Yes, it was entirely for selfish reasons. Like I said before, game play wise, I LOVE the set, it's mix of everything just...I love it.
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I can't be the only one who would like to see this. The game mechanics of the Shield Set, without having to use a shield.
Call it Command Leadership or something similar.
I love how the set plays, I just wish I could play it without actually using a shield.
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