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Backwardsman

 

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Iggy, went with your mace chain. At 250% recharge there's no gap.

I think I'm done. I think I've found all the errors. I think I've got pretty good chains for everything.

Sarrate,I haven't figured out EPS on the chains yet, but I'll get that done before I post this.

I gotta tell yall, I don't like what I see.

Claws only beat out spines.

Gonna go cry in my soup now.


Be well, people of CoH.

 

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And thank you. Just found another error. Brutes only get 80% buff on buildup.

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Don't forget that all damage buffs for Brutes will be weaker than on a Scrapper. ie: Blinding Feint (37.5% vs 30%), Soul Drain (60% for 1 targ vs 48% for 1 targ), etc. They're all only 80% that of a Scrapper.

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Sarrate,I haven't figured out EPS on the chains yet, but I'll get that done before I post this.

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Okey doke. You may want to factor in some form of end reduc too... not sure what a fair amount would be, ~50%?


 

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I did double check the other brute buffs and it was only BU that I had missed.

I checked out the SetIOs and the average end-red seemed to be in the 30% range.. so I went with 33% per power.

And it's all done.

Best DPS is at 222.7
Worst is 135.9
Highest EPS is 5.2
Lowest is 3.46

I'll type up explanations for all my calculations and post the entire thing then.

phew


Be well, people of CoH.

 

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At the risk being laughed out of the scrapper forum:

Can we get a Widow chain in there as well? Preferably both with and without attacks specific to the Night Widow branch.


 

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If it's anything like claws... you don't want to know.


Be well, people of CoH.

 

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I'm curious so I went and did the math myself:

FU, Lunge, Strike, Swipe

1.056 s + 1.056 s +1.32 s + 1.056 s = 4.488 seconds per cycle (incl. ArcanaTime)

That chain requires 250% +rech for FU and Lunge.

For the damage numbers I used CoD's DS number multiplied by 55.61.

FU 50.72
Lunge 123.68
Strike 95.50
Swipe 57.83

Lunge gets 3x FU, the rest only 2x. Widow FU gives 30% +dam per application.

Enhancements contribute 95%. Would including 15% from Assault be fair?


Total chain damage without Assault:

(50.72 + 95.50 + 57.83) * (1 + .95 + 2*.3) + 123.68 * (1 + .95 + 3*.3) = 872.8053

872.81/4.488 = 194.48 DPS


Total chain damage with Assault:

(50.72 + 95.50 + 57.83) * (1 + .95 + .15 + 2*.3) + 123.68 * (1 + .95 + .15 + 3*.3) = 921.9643

921.96/4.488 = 205.43 DPS


 

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Best DPS is at 222.7
Worst is 135.9
Highest EPS is 5.2
Lowest is 3.46

I'll type up explanations for all my calculations and post the entire thing then.

phew

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Can you include the base DPS as well as the enhanced so we have the numbers to calculate global +dmg.


 

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Did you figure in procs? The charts I'm working on now don't take any procs into consideration at all.

Also, correction on the FU/S/F/S/FU/F/S/F chain: With 250% recharge, there's a pause before the 2nd slash and another pause before the last focus. New total is 155.2 DPS.

Edit: And I'm only considering 5% chance for crits unless the power specifically has a crit buff listed.

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It was a done factoring in everything, though it wasn't a proc heavy build.

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You were right. When I went back to check my numbers I found that I'd artificially inflated the unenhanced damage numbers because I forgot that Mids' adds procs directly to the baseline and to the enhanced damage numbers.


 

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At the risk being laughed out of the scrapper forum:

Can we get a Widow chain in there as well? Preferably both with and without attacks specific to the Night Widow branch.

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My Fortunata uses a few different attack chains for different situations. I don't really know which ones is best, i just use what i feel is right at the time. I'm not really a numbers guy and I worked out the attack chains after I finished the build and went back to fix it. I run perma-hasten 190% global recharge and all the chains are gapless.

Followup > Swipe > Dominate > Lunge (redraw after dominate)
Followup > Swipe > Lunge > Swipe (no redraw)
Gloom > Dominate > Subdue (range chain, no claws)

As a night widow the chain would be different as you'd be able to toss in Slash, on a similar build to my Forts, you could use the same claws attack chain and toss it on the end.

Followup > Swipe > Lunge > Swipe > Slash


 

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Decided to try doing the math and save someone else the time. First time i've tried doing it like this, so one with experience might want to give it a quick glance over to make sure its correct

Night Widow Attack Chains
Followup > Swipe > Lunge > Swipe
.86/.985/2.1/.985 in 4.224 = 1.17
Followup > Swipe > Strike > Lunge
.86/.985/1.3/2.1 in 4.488 = 1.17
Followup > Swipe > Lunge > Swipe > Slash
.86/.985/2.1/.985/1.98 in 5.808 = 1.19
Followup > Swipe > Strike > Lunge > Slash
.86/.985/1.3/2.1/1.98 in 6.072 = 1.19

Fortunata Attack chains
Followup > Swipe > Lunge > Swipe
.86/.985/2.1/.985 in 4.224 = 1.17
Followup > Swipe > Dominate > Lunge
.86/.985/1.05/2.1 in 4.488 = 1.11
TK Blast > Dominate > Subdue
.89/1.05/.94 in 4.358 = 0.66
Gloom > Dominate > Subdue
1.33/1.05/.94 in 4.488 = 0.74

Some things to note about the widow/fortunata
- Every 90 seconds we lose 3.828 seconds to keep up Mind Link
- I did not consider the effect of followup or double stacking on the attack chains
- While the night widow attack chain is slightly better, the fortunata can pick up aim, where the night widow cannot.
- Also while putting dominate in the attack chain diminishes it, it improves mitigation, as the AV will be mezzed while the purple triangles are down (not relevant for this post i suppose)

Edit - Didn't see D's post in the previous page, moving lunge after followup in the chains that don't use 2x swipe is better