What about losing already earned AE badges?
By
BurninUp,
Posted on: 2009-05-06 12:03 in Badges and Gladiators
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Yesterday, got a few more plays (all 5-stars I might add) and it bumped me back to up page 4. Think I was at about 61-62 rates. Log in today to find I'm up to 65 rates, but back down to 4-stars (no comments from anyone BTW). Didn't even bother trying to find the arc as it's most likely back down in the page 250+ range.
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To be fair, since 5 stars means "4.5+", all you need are a few 3 star rates to pull you back down. While this isn't to discount the reports of 1-star banditry - it does happen - it's pretty easy to lose your five star rating if you get played by a couple people who simply think your arc is merely average.
@Mindshadow
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And...it just happened again.
Yesterday, got a few more plays (all 5-stars I might add) and it bumped me back to up page 4. Think I was at about 61-62 rates. Log in today to find I'm up to 65 rates, but back down to 4-stars (no comments from anyone BTW). Didn't even bother trying to find the arc as it's most likely back down in the page 250+ range.
This rating system needs a MASSIVE overhaul. Every comment I've gotten from people basically fit along the lines of "awesome arc" or "reminds them of an official story" or that they enjoyed it. I don't mind 3-4 star ratings, provided the person rating it tells me why they 3-4 star it.
These 1-star cowards, and yes, they are cowards, are really starting to annoy the @#*$ out of me.
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4 stars is great.
My arcs got 52 plasys, 4 stars, feedback consistently boils down to "Great! 5 stars!".
4 stars is really good.
One reason why the 1-starrers arent giving you feedback is possibly because they are afraid of a revenge rating from you. The BHMA tag has unfortunately garnered a reputation, just as the JSNTS one did. i'm not saying that you're likely to revenge low-rate anyone, but it's possible the low raters might think you would, if they think you value badge-progress more than the creative integrity of your arc.
Eco.
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4-stars may be "great", but it means you will most likely never get random, drive-by plays. Getting stuck down at page 200+ means that unless someone is specifically looking for whatever your arc has to offer, it'll never be seen.
If you aren't man enough to risk getting it in return, then don't do it in the first place. The only reason these cowards can get away with it is because they know they will never have to put their money where their mouths are.
They don't even finish the arc. I check the progress on the Played <x> Times Badge, and every time I get bandited, there's no increase to it.
And no, they weren't three star rates because I had no tickets to claim (I had cleared them out last night). Ergo, 1-star (or 2-star) banditry.
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And...it just happened again.
Yesterday, got a few more plays (all 5-stars I might add) and it bumped me back to up page 4. Think I was at about 61-62 rates. Log in today to find I'm up to 65 rates, but back down to 4-stars (no comments from anyone BTW). Didn't even bother trying to find the arc as it's most likely back down in the page 250+ range.
This rating system needs a MASSIVE overhaul. Every comment I've gotten from people basically fit along the lines of "awesome arc" or "reminds them of an official story" or that they enjoyed it. I don't mind 3-4 star ratings, provided the person rating it tells me why they 3-4 star it.
These 1-star cowards, and yes, they are cowards, are really starting to annoy the @#*$ out of me.
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4 stars is great.
My arcs got 52 plasys, 4 stars, feedback consistently boils down to "Great! 5 stars!".
4 stars is really good.
One reason why the 1-starrers arent giving you feedback is possibly because they are afraid of a revenge rating from you. The BHMA tag has unfortunately garnered a reputation, just as the JSNTS one did. i'm not saying that you're likely to revenge low-rate anyone, but it's possible the low raters might think you would, if they think you value badge-progress more than the creative integrity of your arc.
Eco.
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4-stars may be "great", but it means you will most likely never get random, drive-by plays. Getting stuck down at page 200+ means that unless someone is specifically looking for whatever your arc has to offer, it'll never be seen.
If you aren't man enough to risk getting it in return, then don't do it in the first place. The only reason these cowards can get away with it is because they know they will never have to put their money where their mouths are.
They don't even finish the arc. I check the progress on the Played <x> Times Badge, and every time I get bandited, there's no increase to it.
And no, they weren't three star rates because I had no tickets to claim (I had cleared them out last night). Ergo, 1-star (or 2-star) banditry.
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yes, ok, it seems that you were indeed rated 1 -r 2 (or even zero, thats possible too) for your arc.
If they didnt finish, it could well have been griefing. I have had to quit arcs that were too difficult for me, however. I don't rate as a matter of principle if Im enjoying it and have no exploit/farming issues with an arc, but some people may be harsher in their ratings, if you have svere strength AVs in your arc for example.
As for being on page 200 or whatever, I wouldn't rely on random plays even if my arc was 5 starred. I seem to get 95% of my arcs plays from pimping it (moderately) in various channels and mentioning its name and ID in my feedback on other arcs Ive played.
The 'man enough' point - i almost exclusively play story-focused arcs. On rare occasions, I accidentally get suckered into starting a farm arc by an interesting sounding description (I do sometimes dip inot the middle of the pool).
As soon as I suspect I'm in a farm arc, i have a look around for some narrative, then if i fail to find some I quit, low-rate and move on. The authors of such arcs are in my experience unlikely to appreciate me saying 'I suggest you add a plot to your arc.' and are probably also unlikely to then even bother playing my carefully written story arc, let alone rate it based in its creative merits. Its those people I'm not man enough to waste my time and feedback on.
Eco.
MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)
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[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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4-stars may be "great", but it means you will most likely never get random, drive-by plays. Getting stuck down at page 200+ means that unless someone is specifically looking for whatever your arc has to offer, it'll never be seen.
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not to further drive this thread off on tangents... but I would think some of the solution to that problem may be the better MA interface tools they've hinted at, and not the ratings themselves.
For example, if they add a genre dropdown with 10 options (comedy, noir, history, mystery, caper etc, etc) then people could file away 9/10ths of the 5-star arcs in the way of the 4-star. This seems likely, given the way devs have commented on the use of tags.
I'm not going to panic too much over 4-star obscurity until we see what the devs have cooked up. They realize it's a problem (unlike other imbalances)
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Yes, I know this. Look at my reg date. 
I'm just wondering how many mobs a person goes through on the way to 50. If that 50k is bigger than THAT, then there's a definite problem. Regardless of how the badge compares to previous badges.
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If you just killed minions solo, under the new XP curve, and with zero contribution from Patrol XP you have to defeat 49528 even con minions
Of that, the run from level 40-50 is 20 080 minions
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
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If they didnt finish, it could well have been griefing. I have had to quit arcs that were too difficult for me, however. I don't rate as a matter of principle if Im enjoying it and have no exploit/farming issues with an arc, but some people may be harsher in their ratings, if you have svere strength AVs in your arc for example.
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Nope, no EBs or AVs. I just played it through last night to make sure everything was ok in regards to the latest patch. Aside from my patrol text being broken, even the Boss was acceptable.
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The 'man enough' point - i almost exclusively play story-focused arcs. On rare occasions, I accidentally get suckered into starting a farm arc by an interesting sounding description (I do sometimes dip inot the middle of the pool).
As soon as I suspect I'm in a farm arc, i have a look around for some narrative, then if i fail to find some I quit, low-rate and move on. The authors of such arcs are in my experience unlikely to appreciate me saying 'I suggest you add a plot to your arc.' and are probably also unlikely to then even bother playing my carefully written story arc, let alone rate it based in its creative merits. Its those people I'm not man enough to waste my time and feedback on.
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If I get into a farm arc, and don't want to be in one, I simply quit it. I don't bother with rating it at all.
See, the problem here is, Anonymitiy breeds Asshattery. If a person has absolutely zero to fear in return, they can do whatever they want.
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As for being on page 200 or whatever, I wouldn't rely on random plays even if my arc was 5 starred. I seem to get 95% of my arcs plays from pimping it (moderately) in various channels and mentioning its name and ID in my feedback on other arcs Ive played.
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So have I. However, I'm not on 24/7, so the random drive-by plays are important. There's been times I've logged in with 5-6 comments waiting for me about how they liked the arc.
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Yes, I know this. Look at my reg date.
I'm just wondering how many mobs a person goes through on the way to 50. If that 50k is bigger than THAT, then there's a definite problem. Regardless of how the badge compares to previous badges.
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If you just killed minions solo, under the new XP curve, and with zero contribution from Patrol XP you have to defeat 49528 even con minions
Of that, the run from level 40-50 is 20 080 minions
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Wow...that is out there. It takes more to get that badge than the entire run from 1-50. Yup. Broken.
So people actually use the default sorting? I typically filter down to 4 star with previously rated checked. I think this is where the better missions and arcs are found. My other filter is all ratings, very short/short by faction I'm playing. My play time comes in spurts so most of the time I can't start a multi-mission arc, since I may not finish it for weeks and then I will forget what it's about. So I think things that you think are stuck on page 200 are getting played. I typically get 10-20 plays per day and I know mine has to be very deep into the list, heck it's page 8 or 9 of the 4 star arcs, but it is at the top of one of those pages.
The only plays that mine gets are a) from advertising in a specific channel; b) from friends; c) occasionally from people whose arc I played and commented on. At some point, the advertising is going to cease to be effective as the people in that channel who have a hankering to play it will have done so. The friends option will cease to be effective once I run the gamut of my list.
People randomly finding mine?
Not a bloody chance.
People who just want to run something will go to the least amount of work to do so to find it. Once you get bumped down from the first few pages, ignoring a vast amount of luck and/or a recognizable @name, you're probably going to be about done in terms of rates/plays.
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So people actually use the default sorting?
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Most people who use the search use the default sorting, in the same way that most people don't use the forums. People on the forums are more likely to use different search methods... or to just have a Notepad file with a pile of arcs they've been asked to play. 
@Mindshadow
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...or to just have a Notepad file with a pile of arcs they've been asked to play.
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This, exactly. 
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Personally, I can't wait for the day that the number of Dev Choice missions is greater than the number of people with the Bug Hunter badge.
SadysCHICK ALL the Badges! (I can get. 1396)
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Arc ID 1435: Performing without Annette
Arc ID 7206: Sadystic Tendencies
Arc ID 3864: The Chronicles of (In)FERNIA!
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Personally, I can't wait for the day that the number of Dev Choice missions is greater than the number of people with the Bug Hunter badge.
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That would be nice.. and I'm hoping mine is one of them... if, of course, it would get some plays and back into 5-stars where it was before the latest grieving.
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Personally, I can't wait for the day that the number of Dev Choice missions is greater than the number of people with the Bug Hunter badge.
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That would be nice.. and I'm hoping mine is one of them... if, of course, it would get some plays and back into 5-stars where it was before the latest grieving.
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Hehe...I'll do my part, I'll add it to the list...I'm always looking for feedback on "Sadystic Tendencies", arc 7206, if you want to trade.
Edit, 7206. I wasn't even close. lol
SadysCHICK ALL the Badges! (I can get. 1396)
Full image by David Nakayama
Arc ID 1435: Performing without Annette
Arc ID 7206: Sadystic Tendencies
Arc ID 3864: The Chronicles of (In)FERNIA!
The devs choice should go bye bye for a couple of simple reasons... The devs have shown they already have too much on their plate, it's hard enough to get them to fix stuff that should be fixed and what, they are going to take time to play our arcs and give them the honest attention they need in order to qualify as a dev's choice arc? YEAH RIGHT...
badges should be setup to be gotten fairly for all, and there are some hard ones to get no doubt but they CAN BE GOTTEN with the proper plan or team... like the MOSTF, that was a tough one to get but it can be done... the DEV's choice... you have to be able to write a good arc to be concidered... what if you can't write at all? This really doesn't give people a fair chance to obtain this badge and to me that is not right...
Hall of fame is messed up too because you can grief an arc out of hall of fame staus.... by giving it 1 star the one hall of fame arc I played (footsteps) was not a bad arc at all it had some enjoyable aspects to it... yet some people couldn't stand it being a hall of fame arc and got it knocked out by giving it low ratings... as for the star cartel... while it's a nice fantasy to think people will play arcs and give the man honest rating... hmmmm the reality is you ask your friends to play your arc and 5 star it that's what most friends will do... in fact most people will do that as well all you have to do is ask, because believe it or not alot of the people that play this game a pretty nice people... that has been my expirience on justice server... can't speak for other servers
It's better to save the Mystery, than surrender to the secret...
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The devs choice should go bye bye for a couple of simple reasons... The devs have shown they already have too much on their plate, it's hard enough to get them to fix stuff that should be fixed and what, they are going to take time to play our arcs and give them the honest attention they need in order to qualify as a dev's choice arc? YEAH RIGHT...
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How long does it take to play an arc and decide if it's something you really enjoyed? Are the Devs supposed to be chained to their work stations and only allowed to use their work programs? It's not something they need to do in their official capacity as a Dev, with Paragon Studios computers. I'd be willing to bet that most, if not all, of the Dev Choice arcs were run by the Devs with their personal accounts (the ones where we don't know who they are), and they just make note of them, talk about them for ten min in a meeting, and make a decision.
Would anyone be complaining about the Dev Choice system if one of their arcs was labeled as such?
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Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
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And...it just happened again.
Yesterday, got a few more plays (all 5-stars I might add) and it bumped me back to up page 4. Think I was at about 61-62 rates. Log in today to find I'm up to 65 rates, but back down to 4-stars (no comments from anyone BTW). Didn't even bother trying to find the arc as it's most likely back down in the page 250+ range.
This rating system needs a MASSIVE overhaul. Every comment I've gotten from people basically fit along the lines of "awesome arc" or "reminds them of an official story" or that they enjoyed it. I don't mind 3-4 star ratings, provided the person rating it tells me why they 3-4 star it.
These 1-star cowards, and yes, they are cowards, are really starting to annoy the @#*$ out of me.
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4 stars is great.
My arcs got 52 plasys, 4 stars, feedback consistently boils down to "Great! 5 stars!".
4 stars is really good.
One reason why the 1-starrers arent giving you feedback is possibly because they are afraid of a revenge rating from you. The BHMA tag has unfortunately garnered a reputation, just as the JSNTS one did. i'm not saying that you're likely to revenge low-rate anyone, but it's possible the low raters might think you would, if they think you value badge-progress more than the creative integrity of your arc.
Eco.
MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)