Consolidated list of concerns: MA effects on game
By
Another_Fan,
Posted on: 2009-05-02 11:12 in Mission Architect
Oh look.....another one...please..no more.
At least this one's pretty organized. Bullet points do help sort the concerns.
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My Concern ?
COH now has a MA tragedy opportunism minigame.
Rules as follows
1. Generate big list of problems they dont have to be real.
2. Find plausible scapegoats.
3. Whine about problems and blame scapegoats on boards.
4. Repeat Ad nauseum.
Well the MA has raised concerns for me. The concern that anyone in the western world could still fall for the above. The concern that there are people that think so little of their fellow man that they try it.
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At least this one's pretty organized. Bullet points do help sort the concerns.
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LOL Even Mein Kampf could seem reasonable if done in power point.
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At least this one's pretty organized. Bullet points do help sort the concerns.
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LOL Even Mein Kampf could seem reasonable if done in power point.
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...six posts in and we already have Godwin's Law. This is why we can't have nice things.
Fine, lock it, if nobody's gonna be civilized about this.
Global @Twoflower / MA Creator & Pro Indie Game Developer.
Mission Architect Works: DIY Laser Moonbase (Dev Choice!), An Internship in the Fine Art of Revenge (2009 MA Award Winner!) and many more! Plus Brand New Arcs for Issue 21!
No one will be civilized because these are the same arguments stemming from the inception of the game. It will never die. It's like a merry go round.
People are getting rewards at a faster and efficient manner, and for others that's a little too fast.
Everyone is so concerned about the "immersion" of the damn game. This is like me telling people to stop smoking because it's bad for everyone, but it can't be stopped. People will still smoke. To each their own. Leave it be. It's their choice. I live in Sin City, and the Casinos are bad for the smoking, but hey, it annoys me that I smell the smoke, but I'm not gonna huff and puff "STOP SMOKING NAO!" when the devs (lawmakers) already made it a bit easier to go into a restaurant or bar without having to worry about smoking. So it got a little nerfed, but not outlawed.
If people want to PL themselves to 50 and they are incompetent at playing them, so what? If you team with them and they don't listen to your advice, so what? Doesn't mean you have to team with them anymore. Rating system is in place for that.
You guys honestly care about the noobs that play this game? If they were willing to learn to play the game in the first place, they wouldn't be involving themselves in farming from the get go. Or, if they did, they'd ask questions as soon as they were in one. Those are the noobs that I want to play with. The ones willing to learn. Those that don't, who cares. If they unsub, good for the community.
So all in all, let the devs worry about the EXPLOITS and stop blaming it soley on the damn farmers. They aren't hurting anything. The EXPLOITERS are, which btw, the devs have already taken care of. Sheesh.
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This is not a list of concerns, it's a list of pet peeves and fallacious observations.
Yeah, this list would grow all right, because everyone has issues. Content wise, I'm concerned that the look of the MA buildings clashes with the style of several of the zones. Which is just as valid of point as claiming the markets are worthless (which I find an hilarious statement) or that much of the game content requires teaming to be successful.
No matter how you try to disguise it, there are more than enough anti-farming threads already in existence. The "I must make a new thread instead of just posting in an existing one" attitude is a worse problem than the meow crap now, in my opinion.
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Moderator 8 keeps locking threads saying that all the concerns should be posted in the right thread for it.
But Moderator 8, would you mind telling me WHERE that thread is? Everytime i think i hit the good thread it appears it is not. So where to? ( Before you place the lock again and shut up everyone. )
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This has just given me a fab idea for a new form of pvp (and one I might actually be good at). Those who hate farmers/Plers can go to the MA and type meow into the serch engine, pop into the mish to check it is a farm and not some strange tail of a missing kitten or some such, and press the report for content button.
Those who choose to farm/PL can quickly churn out new farms.
Race you to AE. 
lucy Greenleaf
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At least this one's pretty organized. Bullet points do help sort the concerns.
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LOL Even Mein Kampf could seem reasonable if done in power point.
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...six posts in and we already have Godwin's Law. This is why we can't have nice things.
Fine, lock it, if nobody's gonna be civilized about this.
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Seeing as the irony of the above is lost on you, I'll let you get back to polishing the turd that is this meme complex.
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This has just given me a fab idea for a new form of pvp (and one I might actually be good at). Those who hate farmers/Plers can go to the MA and type meow into the serch engine, pop into the mish to check it is a farm and not some strange tail of a missing kitten or some such, and press the report for content button.
Those who choose to farm/PL can quickly churn out new farms.
Race you to AE.
lucy Greenleaf
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Go for it. It will be interesting to see who the paper tiger is.
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No one will be civilized because these are the same arguments stemming from the inception of the game. It will never die. It's like a merry go round.
People are getting rewards at a faster and efficient manner, and for others that's a little too fast.
Everyone is so concerned about the "immersion" of the damn game. This is like me telling people to stop smoking because it's bad for everyone, but it can't be stopped. People will still smoke. To each their own. Leave it be. It's their choice. I live in Sin City, and the Casinos are bad for the smoking, but hey, it annoys me that I smell the smoke, but I'm not gonna huff and puff "STOP SMOKING NAO!" when the devs (lawmakers) already made it a bit easier to go into a restaurant or bar without having to worry about smoking. So it got a little nerfed, but not outlawed.
If people want to PL themselves to 50 and they are incompetent at playing them, so what? If you team with them and they don't listen to your advice, so what? Doesn't mean you have to team with them anymore. Rating system is in place for that.
You guys honestly care about the noobs that play this game? If they were willing to learn to play the game in the first place, they wouldn't be involving themselves in farming from the get go. Or, if they did, they'd ask questions as soon as they were in one. Those are the noobs that I want to play with. The ones willing to learn. Those that don't, who cares. If they unsub, good for the community.
So all in all, let the devs worry about the EXPLOITS and stop blaming it soley on the damn farmers. They aren't hurting anything. The EXPLOITERS are, which btw, the devs have already taken care of. Sheesh.
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Yeah, and if people post forum threads trying to consolidate the overwhelming threads of concerns and it bothers you, you don't HAVE to read the thread or post in it.
You know, Goose, gander, and all that jazz.
I do what I want. But it's funny how you can say "if it bothers you you that people are trying to consolidate concerns and such from the million farming is ebil threads you don't have to read it or post or what not."
Same thing can be said about farming and people PLing themselves. You don't have to team with them.
You know, Goose, gander, and all that jazz.
Please see this thread that already is addressing most of these concerns:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...umber=13388041
For Great Justice!
Can anyone please point at which point in the initial post anyone mentioned farming in any way, shape, or form?
TYIA!
I recommend the DEV created post I14 feedback thread...
Don't feel bad, I only found it today.
Oi. This argument is just getting dumb.
Teaming isnt hard at all. Just form your own teams. PM people who have their flag up, be PROACTIVE. do NOT expect to get a team sitting around in steel canyon spamming "derp derp derp lvl 12 blaster lft plz"
as for the newbies at endgame? if theyre that bad, try to give them pointers. if theyre rude and dont listen, kick them. eventually they'll either shape up or they'll get frustrated and quit leaving only the newbies who are willing to listen.
as for content being unable to be done, thats just total bull unless you have no SG, no friends, and no access to global channels. (and possibly if you play on freedumb). On infinity TFs go on nightly, rikti raids and hamidon raids happen weekly, pugs do form, and all i14 has done is move farming to atlas instead of PI.
Lastly. the market is fine. healthier than ever in fact. yes prices are dropping. they're dropping ACROSS THE BOARD. This means EVERYTHING is cheaper, and the only POSSIBLE reasons you could find this bad is if you wanna purple out asap, or you have some compulsive urge to amass massive amounts of influence.
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Can anyone please point at which point in the initial post anyone mentioned farming in any way, shape, or form?
TYIA!
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Teaming:
- Forming non-MA teams is incredibly hard to do at the moment.
- The constant call for MA farming teams drowns out any calls for regular team formation.
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For Great Justice!
In fact. My biggest concern is actually with the people who claim the market was ruined.
How on earth is low prices the market ruined. Do they not understand basic economics of supply and demand?
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I would recommend moving any further discussion to the "official" feedback thread here in the Developer's Corner section of the boards.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....part=1&vc=1
I started snickering at this:
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- Forming non-MA teams is incredibly hard to do at the moment.
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and started laughing outright at this:
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- The existence of so many "Meow-50s" is really bothersome at higher levels as experienced teams must either tutor these inexperienced players, or the inexperienced players can make the difficult, higher level game content even more difficult by making "newbie" mistkes.
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Emphasis added to point out what was so funny.
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I started snickering at this:
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- Forming non-MA teams is incredibly hard to do at the moment.
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and started laughing outright at this:
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- The existence of so many "Meow-50s" is really bothersome at higher levels as experienced teams must either tutor these inexperienced players, or the inexperienced players can make the difficult, higher level game content even more difficult by making "newbie" mistkes.
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Emphasis added to point out what was so funny.
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Don't forget "much of the game content requires teaming to complete successfully". I...don't even know where to begin on that one.
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In fact. My biggest concern is actually with the people who claim the market was ruined.
How on earth is low prices the market ruined. Do they not understand basic economics of supply and demand?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflati...tionary_spiral
Anyone who has even a "basic" understanding of Deflation knows that it actually HURTS the "have nots" and benefits the "haves."
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I started snickering at this:
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- Forming non-MA teams is incredibly hard to do at the moment.
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and started laughing outright at this:
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- The existence of so many "Meow-50s" is really bothersome at higher levels as experienced teams must either tutor these inexperienced players, or the inexperienced players can make the difficult, higher level game content even more difficult by making "newbie" mistkes.
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Don't forget "much of the game content requires teaming to complete successfully". I...don't even know where to begin on that one.
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Lemme know how that solo STF, RSF, LGTF, ITF, Eden Trial, and the solo Shadow Shard TFs go, k?
You know the funny part is I actually don't MIND farming, and have a farming toon for occassional use, but still see some of the concerns others are pointing out about the effects that MA have had as valid things for the devs to consider. Consolidating them in one post was an attempt to take them out of the "DOOOOMM!!!" category and into the "Ok, how much of this is real and how can we make everyone happy" category. Which is why the initial post asked this this NOT become a debate-based thread, but instead a perception based thread on concerns people have.
Instead we ended up with "quit picking on us farmers cuz w3r leetz and none of your worries are even worth reading noob!!! lolozzzzlzol1111!!!!!1!1!"
Ok, we've all seen the numerous posts on people voicing their concerns on various effects that the new (and I might add, overall AWESOME) MA system is having on the culture of the game. I thought it might be helpful to come up with a consolidated list of these effects. . This is meant to be both a safe place for people to voice their concerns over ways that the MS system is impacting their experiences with the game, and also a single resource for the Devs to view possible effects the MA system is having on users that they may not be aware of. Hopefully this may help them address those they see as valid, accordingly.
I think it would be best to divide the concerns into categories. Off the top of my head I can think of 4 that I've consistently read or heard about, but can add more others may have noticed.
Teaming All things encompassing the formation and enjoyment of team playing.
Mastery : The "know-how" players gain on how the game "works" as they level through regular game content. In short, having the appropriate game-playing mastery for your current level.
Economics: : The marketplace and other "drop" or "enhancement" related issues as effected by the MA system.
Content: : This refers to regular, cannon, in game content, NOT content found on or through the MA system.
These are just the initial categories I can think of off the top of my head. Please let me know which category your concern falls under and I'll continue to make the master list as the thread continues.
Again, this is not a debate thread. If you disagree with someone, frankly, take it elsewhere. This is aplace where anyone can voice their own individual concerns for the devs to see. Duplicate concerns will not be added to the master list, though one concern may be added to more than one category if it applies.
Here is the list I can think of off the top of my head on concerns I've seen.
Teaming:
- Forming non-MA teams is incredibly hard to do at the moment.
- The constant call for MA farming teams drowns out any calls for regular team formation.
- having the MA in zones like Atlas, Mercy, etc. have made finding teams of appropriate level range more difficult (this used to be easier as zones were generally level specific, but now almost every zone offers "content" via the MA for any level.)
Mastery
- Many higher level toons are showing a total lack of basic knowledge of the game and its workings.
- The existence of so many "Meow-50s" is really bothersome at higher levels as experienced teams must either tutor these inexperienced players, or the inexperienced players can make the difficult, higher level game content even more difficult by making "newbie" mistkes.
Economics
- the rate at which tickets drop has made once valuable items drop drastically in value.
- the market is becoming "worthless" as there are now two alternative, often much less expensive, ways to attain the rare items people need.
Content
- much of the game content is being ignored now due to easier, faster, higher-rewarding MA arcs at all levels.
- much of the game content requires teaming to complete successfully, which is being harmed by MA content.
- several zones are heavily lag-ridden due to the high concentrations of all level heroes and villains, while others are largely wastelands.
As I said, this list is meant to grow, and be nothing more than a resource. Feel free to add your concerns, or those you hear from others, and respect the concerns of others. The devs can decide which are valid and which may simply be an overreaction to change and/or likely to settle on their own in time.