Mission [TAGS] for easy search
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I suggest you also incorporate
[FARM] - For All, Reasonable Missions ... To denote arcs which could be played by anyone... :P
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I wanted to briefly comment on this. I have no problem coming up with a tag that designates farms. As someone mentioned above, it needs to be an acronym that would not be likely to show up as otherwise legit text. However, I can't see a case where anyone would use it, from the author side. It would be like painting a big red sign on your mission that said "Ban Me" (maybe the tag could be BMMA ). Don't get me wrong, I do think that players would love to have such a tag so that they could find (or avoid) those missions. I just don't see it getting used unless the devs were to define what was an "allowable farm". In other words, don't hold your breath
My feeling is that [FARM] is a tag some would like to be able to add to other people's descriptions...
My characters at Virtueverse
Faces of the City
The tags aren't a bad idea, but how do you define your missions? I have an arc with an EB/AV in 4 of the 5 missions, but it's very story-based and not meant as a pro challenge (you always have an ally along to help). Is it tough if you go after that optional AV at the end? Absolutely, but that's for story-based reasons and you can skip him anyway.
That's why I'd like to see a dev system, too. Otherwise it's going to be like "[blah][blah][blah]oh crap i'm out of room for my arc's actual name"
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This was priviously discussed here shortly before I14 went live. The previous discussion did not really end up going anywhere, but has a few additional ideas for possible tag subjects (the tag formating was different.)
The tags from the OP of the older thread included: Brutal, Easy, Inside, Silly, Serious, Combat, Story, Canonical, Dark.
In that thread I also suggested Badge (now appearing to be a Bad Idea), Custom, Stock, and Challenge.
Others suggested Non-Canon (covered by the Elseworlds already discussed), Origin, What If, Creepy, Team, and Solo.
(Check out the older thread for explanations of all of the above)
Might also want to look at Arcs Listed by Genre to see which are the more popular genres, if genre tags are to be used.
MA Arc - Gnomish Madness - #30204 - A short, silly little story.
Ms. Tempest - Lvl 50 Storm/Elec Def (577 badges)
Maiden Dark - Lvl 50 Dark/Dark Corr
Moonlight Maiden - Lvl 50 Warshade
Sister Leortha - Lvl 50 Emp/Rad Def
Puffball - Lvl 50 Inv/SS Tank
Triumph Server
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The tags aren't a bad idea, but how do you define your missions? I have an arc with an EB/AV in 4 of the 5 missions, but it's very story-based and not meant as a pro challenge (you always have an ally along to help). Is it tough if you go after that optional AV at the end? Absolutely, but that's for story-based reasons and you can skip him anyway.
That's why I'd like to see a dev system, too. Otherwise it's going to be like "[blah][blah][blah]oh crap i'm out of room for my arc's actual name"
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You have an EB/AV in four out of the five missions and you don't consider it a pro challenge?
The Scrappers' Guide to Dark Melee | Kheldian Binds and Strategies
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The tags aren't a bad idea, but how do you define your missions? I have an arc with an EB/AV in 4 of the 5 missions, but it's very story-based and not meant as a pro challenge (you always have an ally along to help). Is it tough if you go after that optional AV at the end? Absolutely, but that's for story-based reasons and you can skip him anyway.
That's why I'd like to see a dev system, too. Otherwise it's going to be like "[blah][blah][blah]oh crap i'm out of room for my arc's actual name"
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You have an EB/AV in four out of the five missions and you don't consider it a pro challenge?
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*shrug* that, to me, would be up to the author to decide how to label it. Personally I would not label it a Pro Challenge unless the intent was to really challenge the player (arcs such as Arcana's Scrapper Challenge). What is your arc focused on? Who are you trying to attract? To me, that's what causes you to pick a particular tag to use.
For the mission above, I would SFMA the arc and still make note in the description of the AVs/EBs. I highly doubt Positron is going to forgive the lack of mentioning the AV when he consideres the arc for dev choice just because you have a PCMA tag
This is a wonderful idea. I had wished the devs would have put in some kind of way of keyword abilities, but this will work as well.
I'd like to put forward the following tag idea.
[SGMA] Super Group specific Mission Arc
This would be for arcs which are designed to be specifically for certain supergroups or contain story elements that might not be understood by people not in the user's SG.
Arc #1267 The Key of Brass and Flame
TerraFan:
Tagging them is one option; another would be to publish them only as needed, which makes ratings etc irrelevant.
My characters at Virtueverse
Faces of the City
I like this a lot. Should there be an attempt to define what "team oriented" means? Also, perhaps this has been mentioned, but an EB & or AV tag might be nice.
Sermon
@sermon
One of Six, Cannibal 6
re: SG only arcs, I only publish them as needed, though they stay up until I need the slot again, and their description clearly labels them as being for the SG. Though apparently an additional 7 people, 6 of whom weren't 5 starrers liked one of my SG only arcs, so pondering genericcing it.
#2409 - The Mystery of the MAGI vaults. Azuria has contacted you to help her stop the thefts from the MAGI vaults.
#68054 - Out of the gutters. Left for dead, you swore that you were through with being a victim (alt villain beginning story)
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The tags aren't a bad idea, but how do you define your missions? I have an arc with an EB/AV in 4 of the 5 missions, but it's very story-based and not meant as a pro challenge (you always have an ally along to help). Is it tough if you go after that optional AV at the end? Absolutely, but that's for story-based reasons and you can skip him anyway.
That's why I'd like to see a dev system, too. Otherwise it's going to be like "[blah][blah][blah]oh crap i'm out of room for my arc's actual name"
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You have an EB/AV in four out of the five missions and you don't consider it a pro challenge?
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All but one are really easy to beat and you have an ally for every one of them.
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TerraFan:
Tagging them is one option; another would be to publish them only as needed, which makes ratings etc irrelevant.
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True, but sometimes they may need to be up for some time. We have a couple of arcs that are intended to be done during an interview of an applicant to our SG. We have to have it always available so that different officers can run the applicant through it as needed.
There also might be cases where a particular story line is going on and an arc might need to be up for a week or two.
It's more for the convenience of the person who might want to play it to know going in that there might be things going on in the mission and references made to people or events that might be incomprehensible to them were they not in the SG.
Arc #1267 The Key of Brass and Flame
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. . I want a true dev powered metadata system.
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I completely agree. Coming up with some agreed upon tags is a great idea as a stopgap measure, but I was kind of surprised the devs didn't include a tagging system in the first place. Haven't Flickr and Delicious been around for 5 years or more? Dont the devs ever go to sites like YouTube?
I also believe the devs when they say they didnt expect as much content as weve been creating. But even if the creation rate was 10% of what it currently is, a tagging system or folksonomy would have really helped. Heck, if they just created a simple RSS feed for new and republished missions we could probably use Yahoo Pipes to do it ourselves. It seems like an awful lot of the fan base works in the IT industry.
May I humbly suggest:
[MLMA] Mid-Level Mission Arc
For arcs in the 20-35 range or thereabouts, balanced for characters of that level. At least until the devs give us an option to search by level.
Eva Destruction AR/Fire/Munitions Blaster
Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper
Arc ID#161629 Freaks, Geeks, and Men in Black
Arc ID#431270 Until the End of the World
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My feeling is that [FARM] is a tag some would like to be able to add to other people's descriptions...
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So true.
For more of a farm mish how about [CGYG] = Come Get Your Goodies!
It could be used for badge farms, tickets, inf, or xp.
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So true.
For more of a farm mish how about [CGYG] = Come Get Your Goodies!
It could be used for badge farms, tickets, inf, or xp.
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[CGYG] is cute, but perhaps [ROMA] (Rewards-Oriented Mission Arcs) would assimilate better with tag users.
I'll thumbs up [MLMA]. I have some arcs coming which are good for that range. I'd expand it to 20-40, though... basically post SOs, pre epics.
Also good with [RBMA]. I think it'll be a fine way to say "Mods, come annihilate me!" but hey. Caveat author.
We need to start promoting a few tags to the official lists. If you see any here that are proposed which you approve of, sign on the dotted line. Full consensus isn't possible, but if enough folks think it'd be a useful tag it may as well go in.
Global @Twoflower / MA Creator & Pro Indie Game Developer.
Mission Architect Works: DIY Laser Moonbase (Dev Choice!), An Internship in the Fine Art of Revenge (2009 MA Award Winner!) and many more! Plus Brand New Arcs for Issue 21!
Yeah, but those aren't uniquely searchable. If I search "solo" I could get dozens of arcs that read "This can't be soloed" because the four letters appear in order. And you can't search for brackets.
The point of using commonly agreed on acronym based tags is that they can be searched on uniquely. Searching for SFMA will more than likely only pull up arcs tagged as story focused mission arcs.
Global @Twoflower / MA Creator & Pro Indie Game Developer.
Mission Architect Works: DIY Laser Moonbase (Dev Choice!), An Internship in the Fine Art of Revenge (2009 MA Award Winner!) and many more! Plus Brand New Arcs for Issue 21!
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We need to start promoting a few tags to the official lists. If you see any here that are proposed which you approve of, sign on the dotted line. Full consensus isn't possible, but if enough folks think it'd be a useful tag it may as well go in.
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Went ahead and tossed a few up. If they come apart under closer inspection I'll switch or pull them later. The ones I added were:
[NCMA] - Non-Canon Mission Arc (Not grounded in COH canon, an "Elseworlds" arc)
[SGMA] - Super Group specific Mission Arc (Specific for the authors SG. May not work well for others)
[MLMA] - Mid-Level Mission Arc (Appropriate for levels 20-40, Post SOs and Pre-Epic Pools)
[RBMA] - Rewards Based Mission Arc (Use at your own risk. Don't blame me if the GMs smack your arc down)
I used RBMA instead of ROMA as ROMA will hit on Roman among other things.
I really like the idea of my VMMA, although the tag itself and name could use work.
We need a tag, essentially, that tags arcs which are villain based, but instead of the standard COV style where you work for the contact, you're trying to achieve a goal for yourself and the contact either doesn't exist or works for you. My DIY Laser Moonbase arc being an example of this. Self-directed villainy is something I'd love to promote more of, so having a tag for it would rock.
Any ideas on how to refine it?
Global @Twoflower / MA Creator & Pro Indie Game Developer.
Mission Architect Works: DIY Laser Moonbase (Dev Choice!), An Internship in the Fine Art of Revenge (2009 MA Award Winner!) and many more! Plus Brand New Arcs for Issue 21!
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[DRMA] Drama Arc. By and large a serious story, although occasional comedy relief is fine.
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Curious. Did you have something in mind that would make this different from an [SFMA]?
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I really like the idea of my VMMA, although the tag itself and name could use work.
We need a tag, essentially, that tags arcs which are villain based, but instead of the standard COV style where you work for the contact, you're trying to achieve a goal for yourself and the contact either doesn't exist or works for you. My DIY Laser Moonbase arc being an example of this. Self-directed villainy is something I'd love to promote more of, so having a tag for it would rock.
Any ideas on how to refine it?
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Honestly, I think you're getting too specific with this one, and this kind of tag is way too open to interpretation. To a mercenary style villain, half the arcs in CoV could be classified as "working for yourself."
Eva Destruction AR/Fire/Munitions Blaster
Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper
Arc ID#161629 Freaks, Geeks, and Men in Black
Arc ID#431270 Until the End of the World
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Curious. Did you have something in mind that would make this different from an [SFMA]?
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Genre/tone. It's possible to have a funny SFMA and a serious SFMA. These aren't exclusive concepts, in the same way you can do a Team Pro Challenge and a Solo Pro Challenge.
Global @Twoflower / MA Creator & Pro Indie Game Developer.
Mission Architect Works: DIY Laser Moonbase (Dev Choice!), An Internship in the Fine Art of Revenge (2009 MA Award Winner!) and many more! Plus Brand New Arcs for Issue 21!
We also have to realize that whatever system we develop as players will not be the "last word" in locating missions. You can't tag for every possibility, and probably less than 25% of the players will use the tagging system either as a player or an author. Limiting yourself to playing missions that are tagged WILL cause you to miss out on some great content.
My suggestion, and its just that, as suggestion, is to limit yourself to the tags that BEST describe your arc. Maybe you arc is a Pro Challenge, Team Focused, Non-Canon, Story Focused, Comedy Arc. But pick the two or three that it is more than the others. Decide which category of player you are most wanting to attract. If your description allows you for more tags, and they all fit the story, by all means use them, but you are not REQUIRED to use every tag that fits.