to avoid griefing- the rating should ignore a certain percentage of ratings - the highest and the lowest.
Ignore the top 10% and lowest 10%.
That way if 10% of the people are griefers and rate a great arc a 0, it doesn't count. But if the arc is just bad and most people rate it low - it gets a low rating.
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to avoid griefing- the rating should ignore a certain percentage of ratings - the highest and the lowest.
Ignore the top 10% and lowest 10%.
That way if 10% of the people are griefers and rate a great arc a 0, it doesn't count. But if the arc is just bad and most people rate it low - it gets a low rating.
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That seems like a reasonable idea. I also think not showing a rating at all until X amount of people have voted would be a good idea. It could help good missions that get an early 1 star from getting lost in the mix.
As I mentioned in another post elsewhere...
Perhaps it would help to have the person running a mish actually FINISH it before they can vote. Right now you can get upset at something in the opening dialogue and quit and rate it. Or I could go looking for threads from people who I dont like (or who rated me bad and left commet) and sabotage their rating....after all the comments come from a gobal handle and your mishs are set to your global...
I suppose you could set it on your SG (number of arc mish) and have your SG enter, leave, and vote a 5 for you. Or you could offer influence for a good rating (enter, quit, 5 stars, get influence).
Example: I spent 36 hours making one of my arcs. Night and day cuz I am off from work. I test ran it and it was good. Only one deadly toon. Someone finally ran it and sent a comment that that one deadly toon was because of ninjitsu secondary making it possible to one shot u. They recommended I change the power or set from LT to minion to fix it. They rated it 2 stars. Ok bad for 36hrs of work...BUT a GREAT suggestion. I respect that because they ran the whole mish and the problem was in the 3rd mish. Since the action got more intense towards the end, someone could vote on the first mish and walk and I wouldn't have the real advice on the mish...
Also what might help would be an additional rating. Like rate this mish on these: Imagination and content. Then your ratings would be more accurate. Also the different votes would range you better for your overall score.
Or something like that....
I experienced today, what I take to be a griefer, and it left me with a very hollow feeling.
Like the poster above I've spent a significant amount of time plotting/writing/testing my arc. Most likely in the 36+ hour range as I did most of it over a period of weeks on the test server. Before today I've had only 6 people rate my arc and it has been available since day 1 of I14. All the ratings were 5 stars with positive comments.
So anyway, I check today to see if anyone ran my custom arc and I see that my ratings have dropped to a 4. No feedback. Honestly, the ratings drop didn't matter so much as the fact that I didn't receive a comment. If someone rates my arc a 1 or 2 that's fine but please leave me a reason.
I whole-heartedly agree that people should have to finish the arc to rate it. If for some reason they can't finish it then have a special rating, "too difficult to finish" that they can leave with comments. I also believe the the searching system is flawed-encouraging griefers.
Ebay has long had a ratings system and while it is anything but perfect, it does allow you to see the comments left by people. I realize that is too much memory to store at this point. But if people could read multiple 5-star ratings with positive reviews and see the 1 or 2 negatives without any feedback it could lend credence to the "real ratings."
I also want to bring up the fact that I've written comments on an arc and accidently clicked finished before submitting comments. Comments should automatically be sent if you click "finished". So perhaps the person who gave me such a bad rating wrote a long detailed account of why he/she didn't particularly enjoy my arc, but in all reality it is probably highly unlikely.
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Ebay has long had a ratings system and while it is anything but perfect, it does allow you to see the comments left by people. I realize that is too much memory to store at this point. But if people could read multiple 5-star ratings with positive reviews and see the 1 or 2 negatives without any feedback it could lend credence to the "real ratings."
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The problem with this is they have to find your arc to read that information. If your title and blurb are in order, nobody's going to say "omg, 4 star arc, it's... it's unclean". Being 1-starred to drop your ranking down just makes your arc harder to find, is all, so you'll have to resort to more advertising to get people to play it.
Though, now that I think about it, maybe they should weight people's ratings higher depending on wether or not they left comments. Probably not doable under the current system however.
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I'm not sure that what you're describing is "griefing" persay. It sounds more like "personal opinion."
You may think you;re arc is the greatest thing like sliced bread, and so may everyone else on a half-dozen team after you. However, I may come along play it, and hate it... and give it a single star.
This is not me Griefing you, this is me adding my personal opinion to the mix. Now, if I can contribute my like or dislike to any one thing, I might leave that in a comment. (for example: "Mobs are too close together to solo without agroing" or "Wow... loved the twist at the end")) but I'm certainly not going to enter into a long drawn out discussion to justify my rating to you.
Even the best Books, Movies, Music... etc get bad reviews. It's the overall impression of your work that means something, and if 100 people experienced it and you're getting a rating of 4 our of 5, that means that at least 80 people were impressed with it and that's no small feat.
Take it as the pat on the back it is.
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Consider that we have a filter also. So if your first mish is rated 1 or 2 by the first player it could be buried! People will run 4 or 5 star works or non rated ones first. Watch the 1-2 stars become the junk pile....
Here's the current solution: Make a mish, call it: The greatest phantasmagorical CoH mish ever designed if you dare to try it, then get 10 friends/SG to rate it a 5 and watch it go. Especially if you make it a farm... 
Ah...well,...it is the new thing. Time will fix all I guess.
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Maybe I have been to the Special Olympics once too many, but I have decided that the most fair way for me to vote is either 5 stars or no vote at all (and I try to leave constructive feed back and an offer to replay it if they want). I figure if I am not going to help them get towards the goal of HoF least I can do is not hurt their chances.
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Greg, then by all means play my arc.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
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Consider that we have a filter also. So if your first mish is rated 1 or 2 by the first player it could be buried! People will run 4 or 5 star works or non rated ones first. Watch the 1-2 stars become the junk pile....
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Asking for testing or feedback on badge channels is generally a good way to get reasonable rates right out of the gate - people like being asked their opinion. If you just throw something out there at random and don't tell anyone about it, you really are at the mercy of whoever first comes along.
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My issue with the ratings is that the 4 and 5 star mishs are alot of farms. I went into a 5 star mish yesterday: outdoor map, like 20 glowies and 20 destructable objects, and all the troops had a melee attack and a web grenade. That's 5 stars?
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Then give it 1 star. I would.
I'm serious. Three stars should be considered "average". To go higher or lower means it's above average or below average. A mission might be the most wonderful farm there is, but that doesn't mean it's a particularly good mission. A story arc/mission needs to be entertaining, not just generous with rewards and tickets. If I go into a mission that's rated highly and see that the author just slapped in one or two villains, repeated them throughout the map, and the whole mission is nothing more than something for a fire/kin to run through to get tickets, it'll be rated appropriately: low scores for originality, coherency, interest, challenge, and effort.
Heck, I didn't even give my own arc a five-star rating! I was happy with it, felt it was good, but not great, so rated it accordingly. I'll be darned if I'm going to give other people five stars when theirs is one or two at best.
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Perhaps it would help to have the person running a mish actually FINISH it before they can vote.
[/ QUOTE ] No way. It doesn't always take finishing a mission/arc to know that it's not very good.
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I experienced today, what I take to be a griefer, and it left me with a very hollow feeling.
[/ QUOTE ] That makes sense. If somebody didn't like your mission, they must be a griefer
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I also want to bring up the fact that I've written comments on an arc and accidently clicked finished before submitting comments.
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I do this all the time. I just reopen the arc and then immediately quit from it so I can send the feedback in: It even remembers the comment text if I've already typed it.
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I also want to bring up the fact that I've written comments on an arc and accidently clicked finished before submitting comments.
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I do this all the time. I just reopen the arc and then immediately quit from it so I can send the feedback in: It even remembers the comment text if I've already typed it.
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Good to know. Thank you for posting that.
Maybe all story arcs in the game should get a rating.. Id love to see what people rate some of the arcs in the game..
My guess,, Tsoo, vahizlok, Carnie, malta, CoT.. all would get crapy ratings.. why? cuase they are hard. Its soo hard to get teams to do these arcs its not even funny.
But ask someone to a family farm and its 5 stars all the way
Just get friends/SG members to vote-bump it up. There's really nothing sinister about doing that because, really, anyone who's gotten a mission with more than about 10 ratings probably got it because they asked their friends to help to get theirs noticed. With the number of arcs out there already (I think it's already in the tens of thousands by now, isn't it?), it's inevitable that a lot are going to get lost in the shuffle unless you try to bring yours to the front.
Alternately, just put your arc name/ID in your sig. It helps to expose it a bit and there's probably at least a few nice people on these forums who wouldn't mind bumping it up.