Feedback Question: Do you like/hate Thank You's?
By
AkuTenshiiZero,
Posted on: 2009-04-11 15:32 in Mission Architect
I don't care if I get a thank you. I suppose it's nice but the truth is that I'm not interested in starting a conversation when I leave feedback. So many people leave no feedback at all, that I figure some kind of acknowledgement is appreciated by the author, normally.
When the author disagrees or wants clarification, I might oblige but I'd rather do it at my leisure and not when I'm about to go run another mission.
I suppose it's BECAUSE I typically say more than "GJ but use a smaller map".
I've published the occasional fan fiction on the roleplaying forum so I know what it's like to literally starve for feedback and want to pick the brains of anyone who seems willing to give you input. As the "pickee", though, the current feedback system ends up making me wish I'd just kept my opinions to myself much of the time.
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But, OMG, someone might say something mean!
The whole thing baffles me.
[/ QUOTE ]You have a strong, confident, self-secure ego. Not every one does. Some of us are very sensitive to negative responses, and are very reluctant to repeat experiences that might produce them. You know the nerdy looking kid who sits by him/herself at lunchtime, reading a book (or whatever the modern equivalent act is)? The one no one talks to, who never tries to talk to anyone else? That guy/gal is not doing it out of any conscious choice. They are truly afraid of getting a negative response, and staying isolated is actually less painful than taking the risk of being hurt. Note, not "less painful than getting hurt", but "less painful than even taking the risk of getting hurt."
The anonymity of online communications allows us to actually speak up and make ourselves heard. And some of us actually have some very valuable things to contribute. Yeah, some of us are sphincters, too, but no more or less than the confidant ones.
You make us face the risk again, we're more likely to just shut up again.
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But, OMG, someone might say something mean!
The whole thing baffles me.
[/ QUOTE ]You have a strong, confident, self-secure ego. Not every one does. Some of us are very sensitive to negative responses, and are very reluctant to repeat experiences that might produce them. You know the nerdy looking kid who sits by him/herself at lunchtime, reading a book (or whatever the modern equivalent act is)? The one no one talks to, who never tries to talk to anyone else? That guy/gal is not doing it out of any conscious choice. They are truly afraid of getting a negative response, and staying isolated is actually less painful than taking the risk of being hurt. Note, not "less painful than getting hurt", but "less painful than even taking the risk of getting hurt."
The anonymity of online communications allows us to actually speak up and make ourselves heard. And some of us actually have some very valuable things to contribute. Yeah, some of us are sphincters, too, but no more or less than the confidant ones.
You make us face the risk again, we're more likely to just shut up again.
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I suppose. It must just be impossible for me to empathize with. I was that kid, too, but emphasis on "kid". I got over it when I grew up and got out in the world. Hope my bafflement wasn't too offensive (It probably was...I have too smart a mouth sometimes). If so, I'm sorry.
Dec out.
I love getting comments, or criticism.
and I always respond with a polite thank you because I enjoy that they either liked my arc, or had an issue with it and took the time to tell me what they thought was wrong.
besides, a simple "I liked your arc" does WONDERS for my self confidence and so i like to thank people for it.
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But, OMG, someone might say something mean!
The whole thing baffles me.
[/ QUOTE ]You have a strong, confident, self-secure ego. Not every one does. Some of us are very sensitive to negative responses, and are very reluctant to repeat experiences that might produce them. You know the nerdy looking kid who sits by him/herself at lunchtime, reading a book (or whatever the modern equivalent act is)? The one no one talks to, who never tries to talk to anyone else? That guy/gal is not doing it out of any conscious choice. They are truly afraid of getting a negative response, and staying isolated is actually less painful than taking the risk of being hurt. Note, not "less painful than getting hurt", but "less painful than even taking the risk of getting hurt."
The anonymity of online communications allows us to actually speak up and make ourselves heard. And some of us actually have some very valuable things to contribute. Yeah, some of us are sphincters, too, but no more or less than the confidant ones.
You make us face the risk again, we're more likely to just shut up again.
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That would be me. Although, I was cool, I had magic the gathering cards to play with in school.
Here's a fun tidbit though, that does suck in the real world to realize. Self-reclusion does foster the poor-socialization. It is a cyclic condition, yes there are outside catalyst events, but the avoidance of social interaction makes the 'loner' more alone, and easier to target. Which is why the challenge is really to get them to open up and try to socialize.
All in all, not really a situation that applies here in the specific though. The general premise does, yes. Although I would be more inclined to go with "It's not worth the risk of possibly getting into an argument with a peer explaining what they did wrong."
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I suppose. It must just be impossible for me to empathize with. I was that kid, too, but emphasis on "kid". I got over it when I grew up and got out in the world. Hope my bafflement wasn't too offensive (It probably was...I have too smart a mouth sometimes). If so, I'm sorry.
[/ QUOTE ]Absolutely no offense was taken. We all judge others by ourselves, and it can be very difficult to truly understand a different personality type. If you can't internalize it, you can't really comprehend it. (That's why I spend so much time trying to find out WHY some people do things I just can't comprehend.)
Some overcome it by themselves, as you did. As reiella said, some get help from an outside source (I was fortunate enough to be one of those). Others end up locked in there their whole life, afraid to open up for fear of getting hurt.
And, while some people will abuse anonymity, that same anonymity makes it easier for others to contribute.
I just wanted to say that was one of the most constructive and thoughtful conversation on different approaches to criticism I have seen in a very long time. THANK you all!
And I've decided to keep sending my thank you's. Now hopefully I've gotten my bug fixes and can work through my backlog of "return the favor playthroughs..."!
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But, OMG, someone might say something mean!
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To me it is more the case of you trying to be constructive and the risk of them searching out all of your arcs and rating them 1 star out of spite.
From what I can tell so far, the second you fall below 5 stars, people stop playing your arc. On my Chillion mission I was getting a couple of nice comments, 10 ratings, and about 30 people playing without rating from watching my badge count. Around that 9th or 10th rating I fell to 4 stars and haven't had a nibble since in 2 days.
Not that I think that simple little mission deserves more, but for future reference, I could see just 1 bad rating wiping you off the majority of the population's play lists. Or I could just be making false assumptions at this point, who knows...
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If the response is immediate, i.e. the author is online when I play their arc, receives my feedback in real-time, and responds in real-time, then yes, that's cool, let's start a conversation; if I'm comfortable sending you my opinion, then I'm comfortable exploring it further. Or if it's just a simple "ty for the feeback", that's great, too, and definitely will raise my opinion of you.
If the response is delayed, i.e. the author is offline or busy when I send my feedback and doesn't get back to me for a while, then I'm likely to be confused at best and annoyed at worst. I don't retain feedback I send in long-term memory, so your response is going to be a non sequitur to me. Something like "but that's working as intended" will be incomprehensible. Even a polite "ty for feedback" will provoke a "you're welcome", but I will still be wondering who the hell you are. The only response that would make sense in a delayed case would be something like, "Hi, I'm the guy who wrote the arc you played a few days ago - the one with the giant frogs? - I appreciated the feedback about the confusion surrounding the floor safe. Thanks!" That would be nice, but even still it would honestly annoy me a little. I gave your work sincere criticism (good or bad), but by now I'm over it, I've moved on, I hope I helped, but I don't care any more.
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But, OMG, someone might say something mean!
The whole thing baffles me.
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To me it is more the case of you trying to be constructive and the risk of them searching out all of your arcs and rating them 1 star out of spite.
From what I can tell so far, the second you fall below 5 stars, people stop playing your arc. On my Chillion mission I was getting a couple of nice comments, 10 ratings, and about 30 people playing without rating from watching my badge count. Around that 9th or 10th rating I fell to 4 stars and haven't had a nibble since in 2 days.
Not that I think that simple little mission deserves more, but for future reference, I could see just 1 bad rating wiping you off the majority of the population's play lists. Or I could just be making false assumptions at this point, who knows...
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actually. my newest arc fell to 4 stars after a few downratings on page one today. but from the look of it the fact I at least had some advertisement for the arc has generated enough word of mouth that the ratings are still slowly piling up. and with 40 ratings, I'm vaguely sure it'll start snowballing itself pretty soon. Its less about being 4 star and more about making sure people know your arc exists to try it.
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I typically only send a "thank you" reply if I happen to get one while I'm online so that way it's much more likely that the person will get it right away.