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I believe it was at 23 for some sort of change 14 against last time I counted. I see one new person saying no changes, so 23:15 would be what it is now, or 60% for some sort of change 40% against. I'm not going to lock anything in until we close up the wish list thread.
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Hate to play devil's advocate, but I'm not sure those can be taken at face value... bearing in mind that opinion questions always draw more negative responses than "status quo" responses.
There was a decent amount on the wishlist that I disagree with, but this is one issue where I'd honestly be disappointed if this became a case of the outspoken minority getting some change as a result of, as stated before, a knee-jerk reaction to being caged.
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I'd honestly be disappointed if this became a case of the outspoken minority getting some change as a result of, as stated before, a knee-jerk reaction to being caged.
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You stating that your opinion is in the majority is even shakier than the pseudo-polling Putz did. At least she attempted to solicit feedback and track numbers. You are just stating opinion as fact and calling it a day. What numbers do you have to back up your assertion?
Knee-jerk? Caging has been around for 2+ years, you can hardly call the situation "knee-jerk".
I've already said what I wanted to say regarding the issue, I'm just calling you on your blatant BS tactics since you seem to want to influence the debate with nothing more than that.
I was dismayed as it was when speedboost was nerfed in RV.
It seems to me that it's the people losing that are doing the whinning. It's a I have my build at lvl blah blah why should I have to make a new one to couter act (insert power here).
Tanks hit hard than defenders so let's make tanks have less damage and since blasters are so powerful let's make their attacks weaker too.
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I don't think asking a question is nerf herding. Putz is putting a lot of work into determining the top priorities for PvPers, and I'd guess she's just looking for people's thoughts on the subject. Obviously people don't agree on it - which is probably why she asked.
People need to stop this knee-jerk crap, state their opinion, and chill out.
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If that was the case, where are all the threads on 30% unresisted blaster dmg, unresisted defender debuffs, slow suppression, Brute Fury, villain epic pools made by Miss Putz- Countess of PVP, Lady of Wishlisting posts, Eater of the Triple Thunderthigh chocolate birthday cake, ruler of VR nation, and founder of the tinfoil hat brigade!
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Fel, really, if tossing out insults means a lot to you, why don't you write me a mean PM or start a new thread about it or something. The insults are really adding nothing to this thread and nothing to your argument.
But to answer your question, if you check out the PvP Wishlist thread you might see:
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2. Fury does not build as intended.
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1. Hero and villain combat is not balanced, especially in the 40+ game. The most popular suggestion is to open up a set of APP for villains and allow them to respec out of their patron pools to get those.
2. Many people feel that the balance of irresistible effects in PvP needs to be reconsidered. Changing irresistible effects might be another way of balancing heroes and villains.
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Everything you mentioned but slow suppression is on it. Bring up slow suppression, maybe people will agree with you that it's needed. If it is I can add it to the list.
So, basically your point there's not valid.
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Except, I said the following two days ago in response to a Goldie post in this very thread.
"Riight, no one is going to the Devs but yet I only see a specific wishlist aimed at Caging in this forums. Where is all the wishlists for all the stuff which actually needs to be addressed, their clumped into one big thread. Like I said previously in a post- You all have had no problem banning powersets, pool powers, and enforcing some ridiculous rules in your ladder. Why change your MO now and just ban caging or limit it to one cager per a match. It can't be cause Im the one suggesting this course of action or is it."
Its on page 16 for all to read. So why does cage get its a thread all by itself when everything else is clumped in one nerfherder? Anyways, I don't have any more time to spend on this tonight, hope this post doesnt get caged out of the thread like my previous two did 
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I'd honestly be disappointed if this became a case of the outspoken minority getting some change as a result of, as stated before, a knee-jerk reaction to being caged.
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You stating that your opinion is in the majority is even shakier than the pseudo-polling Putz did. At least she attempted to solicit feedback and track numbers. You are just stating opinion as fact and calling it a day. What numbers do you have to back up your assertion?
Knee-jerk? Caging has been around for 2+ years, you can hardly call the situation "knee-jerk".
I've already said what I wanted to say regarding the issue, I'm just calling you on your blatant BS tactics since you seem to want to influence the debate with nothing more than that.
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Whining has been around since the beginning of mankind and some of you have it down to a science 
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I'd honestly be disappointed if this became a case of the outspoken minority getting some change as a result of, as stated before, a knee-jerk reaction to being caged.
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You stating that your opinion is in the majority is even shakier than the pseudo-polling Putz did. At least she attempted to solicit feedback and track numbers. You are just stating opinion as fact and calling it a day. What numbers do you have to back up your assertion?
Knee-jerk? Caging has been around for 2+ years, you can hardly call the situation "knee-jerk".
I've already said what I wanted to say regarding the issue, I'm just calling you on your blatant BS tactics since you seem to want to influence the debate with nothing more than that.
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Whining has been around since the beginning of mankind and some of you have it down to a science .
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My dad can beat up your dad. 
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I'd honestly be disappointed if this became a case of the outspoken minority getting some change as a result of, as stated before, a knee-jerk reaction to being caged.
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You stating that your opinion is in the majority is even shakier than the pseudo-polling Putz did. At least she attempted to solicit feedback and track numbers. You are just stating opinion as fact and calling it a day. What numbers do you have to back up your assertion?
Knee-jerk? Caging has been around for 2+ years, you can hardly call the situation "knee-jerk".
I've already said what I wanted to say regarding the issue, I'm just calling you on your blatant BS tactics since you seem to want to influence the debate with nothing more than that.
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Whining has been around since the beginning of mankind and some of you have it down to a science .
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My dad can beat up your dad.
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yea, but my two moms can beat up your dad. 
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I'd honestly be disappointed if this became a case of the outspoken minority getting some change as a result of, as stated before, a knee-jerk reaction to being caged.
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You stating that your opinion is in the majority is even shakier than the pseudo-polling Putz did. At least she attempted to solicit feedback and track numbers. You are just stating opinion as fact and calling it a day. What numbers do you have to back up your assertion?
Knee-jerk? Caging has been around for 2+ years, you can hardly call the situation "knee-jerk".
I've already said what I wanted to say regarding the issue, I'm just calling you on your blatant BS tactics since you seem to want to influence the debate with nothing more than that.
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Whining has been around since the beginning of mankind and some of you have it down to a science .
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My dad can beat up your dad.
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yea, but my two moms can beat up your dad.
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I see things are getting serious here.
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I'd honestly be disappointed if this became a case of the outspoken minority getting some change as a result of, as stated before, a knee-jerk reaction to being caged.
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You stating that your opinion is in the majority is even shakier than the pseudo-polling Putz did. At least she attempted to solicit feedback and track numbers. You are just stating opinion as fact and calling it a day. What numbers do you have to back up your assertion?
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Chill. I didn't say this is that case, I said I didn't want it to become that case. I'm not making claims and I'm not even psuedo-polling.
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Knee-jerk? Caging has been around for 2+ years, you can hardly call the situation "knee-jerk".
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Correct that they've been around, but at least with respect to what we've been discussing (high-end team PvP), cages dipped off for a bit and have only recently become very prevalent. It still wasn't that long ago that a lot of teams were running 1-2 rads and either 1 or no sonics.
And, to repeat, I'm not saying that we're at the point of a knee-jerk reaction. I said it'd be disappointing if there was a hasty reaction to the recent increase in cage usage.
I won't bother quoting personal attacks.. again, I don't do that on the forums
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I won't bother quoting personal attacks.. again, I don't do that on the forums
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Who's personally attacking you? It's not like I said your feet stink or something. I'm just calling out your attempts to reframe the debate and misrepresent opposing arguments. Nothing personal.
...Which would be entirely valid, if that's what I was doing. Otherwise, it's just a personal attack based on your speculation. When was the last time I attacked anyone's arguments as "blatant BS" or directly challenged people to, say, bring up numbers?
I could understand you choosing that route if I'd gone there to begin with, but I didn't. S'all good though, off-topic nonetheless. Let the cage discussion continue
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...Which would be entirely valid, if that's what I was doing. Otherwise, it's just a personal attack based on your speculation. When was the last time I attacked anyone's arguments as "blatant BS" or directly challenged people to, say, bring up numbers?
I could understand you choosing that route if I'd gone there to begin with, but I didn't. S'all good though, off-topic nonetheless. Let the cage discussion continue
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Claim victimhood all you like. Calling BS on purposeful obfuscation isn't a personal attack. Pointing out that someone is consistently stating opinion as fact is not a personal attack. Not allowing someone to misrepresent your statements, or the statements of others, is not a personal attack. Asking for you to put up numbers in opposition to the ones you take exception to, is not a personal attack.
Nobody is besmirching your character or calling you names. I'm sorry if you feel otherwise. You may want to develop a thicker skin if you're going to participate in a debate in an open forum. <---Also not a personal attack, just a helpful suggestion. 
Attacking what you incorrectly assume are my motives may not be a personal attack, but it's definitely not helpful to the discussion at all, which is why I haven't returned the favor. No thicker skin necessary, if we stick to the discussion.
Again, let the cage discussion continue
Enough of this civilized discussion crap...
I want to see name calling, mud slinging, random "yo mamma" jokes...give the people what they want dammit!
i trow mud at ur mom the poophead 
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EDIT: >.> ...okay, I admit that one was off-topic
shut up fatty
How about reduce the duration to 5 seconds and make it castable on a teammate instead of a foe? That would also make it a lot more desirable in PvE.
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lol @ 2nd accounts.
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lol @ 1st accounts. And this is my only account now. I'm just the mysterious person of you don't know who I am. If you were even talking to me.