holy wings batman! i thought i was doing good with two sets of wings and 1 pair of boots!
grats on the 20. i think i'll be roaming some streets tonight/tomorrow~!!
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Interesting premise.
Some caveats though.. I have an AoE Focused Fire/Fire Tank that's been streetsweeping for, oh, about 12 hours continuously so far in Talos Island. No costume drops, nada. Some rare salvage, but nothing of note and he's taking down sizable groups of foes.
It's better odds to streetsweep, but it's not magic. You still need to grind and have plenty of luck besides.
Thanks for posting the info though. 
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Interesting premise.
Some caveats though.. I have an AoE Focused Fire/Fire Tank that's been streetsweeping for, oh, about 12 hours continuously so far in Talos Island. No costume drops, nada. Some rare salvage, but nothing of note and he's taking down sizable groups of foes.
It's better odds to streetsweep, but it's not magic. You still need to grind and have plenty of luck besides.
Thanks for posting the info though.
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There is a sort of "sweet spot" for getting costume drops between levels 10 and 14. The reason is that the pool of available recipes is smaller, but still contains the costume recipes. You mentioned you were in Talos - well that's in the 20's, and the pool is bigger...
Understood. The 10-14 range, particularly as it allows sweeping in Perez Park, seems to be the way to go. I'll have to generate an AoE character to go try that out... 
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Interesting premise.
Some caveats though.. I have an AoE Focused Fire/Fire Tank that's been streetsweeping for, oh, about 12 hours continuously so far in Talos Island. No costume drops, nada. Some rare salvage, but nothing of note and he's taking down sizable groups of foes.
It's better odds to streetsweep, but it's not magic. You still need to grind and have plenty of luck besides.
Thanks for posting the info though.
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There is a sort of "sweet spot" for getting costume drops between levels 10 and 14. The reason is that the pool of available recipes is smaller, but still contains the costume recipes. You mentioned you were in Talos - well that's in the 20's, and the pool is bigger...
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We got most of our costume drops After level 15 in CoV. I really do believe its Street Sweeping at all levels, while mixing in some papers and mayhems/safeguards.. and a few normal contact missions.
Your talking Talos.. Talos doesnt have the huge mobs you need like the Hazard Zones.
PP for example has groups of 10 to 15 foes in every group and when you herd 2 or 3 groups together you have promise for ultimate awesomeness.
Creys Folly is also an AWESOME place for drops. As long as you kill fast.
IMO, for Heroside the regular zones are not the best for street sweeping.. Maybe try DA < They have huge grups as well, and easy to herd.
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Interesting premise.
Some caveats though.. I have an AoE Focused Fire/Fire Tank that's been streetsweeping for, oh, about 12 hours continuously so far in Talos Island. No costume drops, nada. Some rare salvage, but nothing of note and he's taking down sizable groups of foes.
It's better odds to streetsweep, but it's not magic. You still need to grind and have plenty of luck besides.
Thanks for posting the info though.
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There is a sort of "sweet spot" for getting costume drops between levels 10 and 14. The reason is that the pool of available recipes is smaller, but still contains the costume recipes. You mentioned you were in Talos - well that's in the 20's, and the pool is bigger...
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We got most of our costume drops After level 15 in CoV. I really do believe its Street Sweeping at all levels, while mixing in some papers and mayhems/safeguards.. and a few normal contact missions.
Your talking Talos.. Talos doesnt have the huge mobs you need like the Hazard Zones.
PP for example has groups of 10 to 15 foes in every group and when you herd 2 or 3 groups together you have promise for ultimate awesomeness.
Creys Folly is also an AWESOME place for drops. As long as you kill fast.
IMO, for Heroside the regular zones are not the best for street sweeping.. Maybe try DA < They have huge grups as well, and easy to herd.
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The thing is, it's not street sweeping that's causing this to happen - it's the fact that you can pick and choose large spawns of lower level mobs to defeat quickly. Since it doesn't matter if the enemies are +4 or -4, you can wipe out large groups easily w/ an AoE build...
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Interesting premise.
Some caveats though.. I have an AoE Focused Fire/Fire Tank that's been streetsweeping for, oh, about 12 hours continuously so far in Talos Island. No costume drops, nada. Some rare salvage, but nothing of note and he's taking down sizable groups of foes.
It's better odds to streetsweep, but it's not magic. You still need to grind and have plenty of luck besides.
Thanks for posting the info though.
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There is a sort of "sweet spot" for getting costume drops between levels 10 and 14. The reason is that the pool of available recipes is smaller, but still contains the costume recipes. You mentioned you were in Talos - well that's in the 20's, and the pool is bigger...
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We got most of our costume drops After level 15 in CoV. I really do believe its Street Sweeping at all levels, while mixing in some papers and mayhems/safeguards.. and a few normal contact missions.
Your talking Talos.. Talos doesnt have the huge mobs you need like the Hazard Zones.
PP for example has groups of 10 to 15 foes in every group and when you herd 2 or 3 groups together you have promise for ultimate awesomeness.
Creys Folly is also an AWESOME place for drops. As long as you kill fast.
IMO, for Heroside the regular zones are not the best for street sweeping.. Maybe try DA < They have huge grups as well, and easy to herd.
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The thing is, it's not street sweeping that's causing this to happen - it's the fact that you can pick and choose large spawns of lower level mobs to defeat quickly. Since it doesn't matter if the enemies are +4 or -4, you can wipe out large groups easily w/ an AoE build...
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Well, if people want the drops.. I guess they will find a friend or do whatever needs to be done to do something like this.
Then I, we wont have to read many posts about "Im not getting what I want". When they could just as easily go street sweep for a few hours.. and get what they are looking for.
Hmm might have to try street sweeping a bit tonight
So what lvl do you have to be?
Can a lvl 50 street sweep in Perez & get the drops or do they need to exemp down?
If you don't get XP for killing it, it won't drop recipes.
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When they could just as easily go street sweep for a few hours.. and get what they are looking for.
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While I totally agree with your ideas for maximizing the drop potential, I think the above statement is VERY misleading.
Theres a great thread in the training room forum that breaks down the actual odds for receiving one of the costume drops. It breaks down to roughly 1:1600 (per minion killed) when hunting in the sweet spot of 10-14 (mob lvl, not yours). To achieve a 95% likelihood of getting one of those drops you need to kill roughly 5000 minions (mad props to Morgenstern and Generic_villian for thier crazy math skills).
This represents slightly more than "a few hours" of play time to get one of the coveted pieces. Personally (and this is not a complaint, I LOVE it) I've made a new char expressly for this purpose and have so far spent about 6 hours destroying mob after mob of lvl 10 hellions in PP and have yet to receive a costume drop. I should be catching onto the probability curve within the next 4-6 hours of farming though.
If you have gotten 20+ costume drops so far, you may want to seriously consider taking all your saving and hitting Vegas, cause you definitely have Lady Luck on your side.
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And what about salvage?
Originally Posted by Megajoule
We're being invaded. Again. This time, instead of aliens, zombies, or eyeballs with teeth, it's the marching band.
I've been "street sweeping" Circle of Thorns off and on with my SR Scrapper for the last two weeks. I generally do it for about 30 minutes to an hour. Depending on when I get a team invite or I get bored and start running missions.
I've made millions selling common magic salvage. The uncommon and rare stuff goes into the vault until I decide what to do with it.
I was Helping a lvl 11 troller with my lvl 50 troller exempt in Perez and got Fairy wings, so I suggest any high lvl that wants to increase their chances of a costume drop to exempt with a lvl 10-12 in Perez and street sweep.
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...To achieve a 95% likelihood of getting one of those drops you need to kill roughly 5000 minions (mad props to Morgenstern and Generic_villian for thier crazy math skills).
This represents slightly more than "a few hours" of play time to get one of the coveted pieces.
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Hmm.
One fireball per 12 seconds.
Estimated 5 guys per fireball.
25 guys per minute.
200 minutes = 5000 minions.
Obviously you need to line up firebreath/fireball combos to get more than 5 guys.
8 guys per firebreath/fireball = 2 hours.
Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
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And thats assuming you can find a situation in which the ideal lvl baddies just keep funneling into your aoe zone o' death. Generally Ive found that I spend equally or slightly more time locating the mobs as I decimating them (with a lvl 12 pb, hunting lvl 10-12 mobs to maximize the kill rate). Granted the rate will go up as I get up in lvls, but you still cannot discount travel and hunting time. And thats just to receive A costume drop, not necessarily the one you want. Hopefully whichever one you get will pay for the you want. If you plan to hunt for one specific piece the time required to guarantee a drop will go up exponentially.
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And thats assuming you can find a situation in which the ideal lvl baddies just keep funneling into your aoe zone o' death. Generally Ive found that I spend equally or slightly more time locating the mobs as I decimating them (with a lvl 12 pb, hunting lvl 10-12 mobs to maximize the kill rate). Granted the rate will go up as I get up in lvls, but you still cannot discount travel and hunting time. And thats just to receive A costume drop, not necessarily the one you want. Hopefully whichever one you get will pay for the you want. If you plan to hunt for one specific piece the time required to guarantee a drop will go up exponentially.
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HAZARD ZONES < All the Foes you can Eat!
Blues , greens, greys, and white....
They certainly dont need to be above you! I get 99.9999999999999999999% of my drops from stuff 1 or 2 levels below me.
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And thats assuming you can find a situation in which the ideal lvl baddies just keep funneling into your aoe zone o' death. Generally Ive found that I spend equally or slightly more time locating the mobs as I decimating them (with a lvl 12 pb, hunting lvl 10-12 mobs to maximize the kill rate). Granted the rate will go up as I get up in lvls, but you still cannot discount travel and hunting time. And thats just to receive A costume drop, not necessarily the one you want. Hopefully whichever one you get will pay for the you want. If you plan to hunt for one specific piece the time required to guarantee a drop will go up exponentially.
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The OP is on the right track to increasing the chances of costume drops, but is misleading many people by his or her phenominal luck. For example, I can tell people that Blackjack is the best odds at a casino and that I made $10,000 in just one hour. While it might be true that it has the best odds and I may have made that much in one hour, it does not guarentee that someone will make anything even after ten hours of playing. It's luck.
The key to costume drops is simple: kill things over lv 10 that get you experience. Doing that faster will increase your chances to get a drop in a shorter period of time. Street sweeping, missions, whatever your character can handle and you don't get bored with. Killing things that are closer to lv10 can give you a better chance to get a costume piece when a recipe is dropped because the pool is smaller.
Personally, I've had 1 costume drop in CoV. I had a "street sweeping" character go from level 17 to 20 while in perma-debt killing god-knows-how-many grey and green ludites in the hills behind the university over days of slaughter and never got a single piece. I ended up getting the costume on a new "throw away" character that was simply doing missions within about an hour of going over lv 10.
In short: it's still random. Don't tell people it will get them a costume piece "in two hours" or they will get "tons of drops" when it's simply not true. Unless they are also unbelievably lucky, too.
CoH has been unique in the sea of cloned MMOs.There are years of possibilities still
in such a well designed, well supported and well loved game.Shutting it down now doesn't
make sense on any level except, perhaps, on some spreadsheet�s bottom line. I do not
consider this an act of a company that has the interests of its customers at heart.This
calls into question why I would want to be part of any further ventures involving NCSoft.
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The OP is on the right track to increasing the chances of costume drops, but is misleading many people by his or her phenominal luck. For example, I can tell people that Blackjack is the best odds at a casino and that I made $10,000 in just one hour. While it might be true that it has the best odds and I may have made that much in one hour, it does not guarentee that someone will make anything even after ten hours of playing. It's luck.
The key to costume drops is simple: kill things over lv 10 that get you experience. Doing that faster will increase your chances to get a drop in a shorter period of time. Street sweeping, missions, whatever your character can handle and you don't get bored with. Killing things that are closer to lv10 can give you a better chance to get a costume piece when a recipe is dropped because the pool is smaller.
Personally, I've had 1 costume drop in CoV. I had a "street sweeping" character go from level 17 to 20 while in perma-debt killing god-knows-how-many grey and green ludites in the hills behind the university over days of slaughter and never got a single piece. I ended up getting the costume on a new "throw away" character that was simply doing missions within about an hour of going over lv 10.
In short: it's still random. Don't tell people it will get them a costume piece "in two hours" or they will get "tons of drops" when it's simply not true. Unless they are also unbelievably lucky, too.
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Why would you waste your time on Ludites? That is not the way :P CoT is.. as they have magic drops.
And in no way did i say it was guarenteed. What I did say is that if you street sweep large mobs of lower level foes
YOU WILL GET LOTS OF RECIPE DROP AND SALVAGE!...
People keep telling me that it is Luck.
Its not Luck if I know how to play the game to optimise my drop rate.
I logged in a level 14 character last night and went to Perez Park. Spent about an hour killing Hellions that were conning gray, green and blue to me. Was getting XP for all of them, but not a single recipe drop after an hour of killing. A few training enhancements and some salvage, but that was it.
Moved on in a little further and found some level 13 hydra that were conning white, yellow and orange to me. Started killing off some of the smaller groups of white. Second group, I got a piston boots drop.
Spent about an hour after that killing more hydra. The piston boots was the only costume drop I got, but I was getting an invention recipe for just about every mob I killed.
Seemed like the higher level mobs dropped recipes more often...at least they did for me last night.
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And in no way did i say it was guarenteed. What I did say is that if you street sweep large mobs of lower level foes
YOU WILL GET LOTS OF RECIPE DROP AND SALVAGE!...
People keep telling me that it is Luck.
Its not Luck if I know how to play the game to optimise my drop rate.
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I dont think anybody is discounting the above statement.
What people are taking some exception to is what you said in a follow up post;
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Then I, we wont have to read many posts about "Im not getting what I want". When they could just as easily go street sweep for a few hours.. and get what they are looking for.
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That is the statement that was so misleading. Since what most people want is one of the costume drops, or one of the proc IO recipes the actual time it takes to bend the odds into favor of one of those dropping is substantially more than a "few hours" .
Again, using the 1:approx 5000 numbers to reach a 95% chance of a costume drop.
If you spend all your time street sweeping in the hazard zones, (mob in those zones equaling between 8-15 critters for a median # of 11.5 and thats being VERY generous) that's still 435 mobs you need to cut down.
Lets say it takes you on average of 1 minute to destroy that mob (I think that would be reasonable, taking into account the time for initial volley of AOE's, then time to finish off the boss and hunt down the runners) and then 30 seconds to locate the next mob of 10+'s and let your end/attack cycle recharge.
Thats still a total time of 10.875 hours (435 mobs*90 sec *1min/60 sec *1hour/60 min).
And thats if you are ONLY farming for any one of the costume drops (note, ANY one, not a specific one). If you are using the time to hunt for drops and Inf. then you need to factor in the time to hit the store after every 10 or so mobs to sell off your recipes and salvage drops, and time to max out your debt load for extended farming time with that toon.
So generally a player is looking at 11+ hours of nothing street sweeping an area like PP to get a costume drop. Of course many will be lucky and get it sooner than that, but then many will also be unlucky and get it much later than that (or get piston boots which are selling for I think 2.5 mil right now).
So again, I dont think anyone has said that you plan for maximizing drop potential is inaccurate, just misleading in the degree of success you have said people will see.
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And in no way did i say it was guarenteed. What I did say is that if you street sweep large mobs of lower level foes
YOU WILL GET LOTS OF RECIPE DROP AND SALVAGE!...
People keep telling me that it is Luck.
Its not Luck if I know how to play the game to optimise my drop rate.
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I dont think anybody is discounting the above statement.
What people are taking some exception to is what you said in a follow up post;
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Then I, we wont have to read many posts about "Im not getting what I want". When they could just as easily go street sweep for a few hours.. and get what they are looking for.
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That is the statement that was so misleading. Since what most people want is one of the costume drops, or one of the proc IO recipes the actual time it takes to bend the odds into favor of one of those dropping is substantially more than a "few hours" .
Again, using the 1:approx 5000 numbers to reach a 95% chance of a costume drop.
If you spend all your time street sweeping in the hazard zones, (mob in those zones equaling between 8-15 critters for a median # of 11.5 and thats being VERY generous) that's still 435 mobs you need to cut down.
Lets say it takes you on average of 1 minute to destroy that mob (I think that would be reasonable, taking into account the time for initial volley of AOE's, then time to finish off the boss and hunt down the runners) and then 30 seconds to locate the next mob of 10+'s and let your end/attack cycle recharge.
Thats still a total time of 10.875 hours (435 mobs*90 sec *1min/60 sec *1hour/60 min).
And thats if you are ONLY farming for any one of the costume drops (note, ANY one, not a specific one). If you are using the time to hunt for drops and Inf. then you need to factor in the time to hit the store after every 10 or so mobs to sell off your recipes and salvage drops, and time to max out your debt load for extended farming time with that toon.
So generally a player is looking at 11+ hours of nothing street sweeping an area like PP to get a costume drop. Of course many will be lucky and get it sooner than that, but then many will also be unlucky and get it much later than that (or get piston boots which are selling for I think 2.5 mil right now).
So again, I dont think anyone has said that you plan for maximizing drop potential is inaccurate, just misleading in the degree of success you have said people will see.
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Take what PP says with a grain of salt. She and her husband play everyday for 12+ hours.
Anyone with that much free time on their hands everyday has a better chance to get a drop than most people that play this game.
Perfect_Pain, I have seen you say in other posts it doesnt matter what level you are, that you can street sweep, now admitedly Im a new player but to my knowledge you cant get drops from things that dont give you exp... isnt this so?
Assuming this is the case, how do you stop yourself outlevelling the area then having to relevel something to 10 in order to sweep?
This is my first Guide so please be kind.
City of Heroes
Starting at level 10 Street Sweep
Hazard Zones are the Key!
Hollows, Perez Park, Boomtown, etc.
Foes can be Green and Grey and you will still get Lots of drops.
City of Villains
Starting at Level 10
Street Sweep, every zone is good for this.
Reason for making this Guide?
Well, since Issue 9 went Live my husband and myself have gotten 20+ Costume drops on CoV, and we just started new heroes and have already gotten costume drops.. and we are only level 11 atm.
I have read several posts where people are claiming and saying they dont get theese kinds of drops.
Well, Stop doing what your doing and go street sweep. Might take you an hour or so.. but you will get the drops.
If you like to be on big teams, then I dont know what to tell you.. That splits up your chances of getting drops. Through the "Random" system.
I play on a duo, 90% of the time. I dont have to deal with people claiming to get drops they dont really get just to make fellow team mates feel yucky that they are not getting stuff.
Reason for making this Guide?
I am telling you street sweeping is the way to go. You dont need to make posts saying you havent gotten "XXXX" drop.
If you run around for long enough and just kill stuff, you will get a ton of drops. Especially if you *arrest fast.
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