Here's the exact numbers for the caps by level on non-stalker stealth, stalker stealth, and player perception.
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Level Stealth Cap Stealth Cap Perception Cap
(non-stalker) (Stalker) (all players)
1 400.0 480.0 490.0
2 403.5 488.2 498.2
3 407.0 500.6 510.6
4 410.5 513.1 523.1
5 414.0 525.8 535.8
6 417.5 542.8 552.8
7 421.0 568.4 578.4
8 424.5 594.3 604.3
9 428.0 620.6 630.6
10 431.5 647.3 657.3
11 435.0 674.3 684.3
12 438.5 701.6 711.6
13 442.0 729.3 739.3
14 445.5 757.4 767.4
15 449.0 785.8 795.8
16 452.5 814.5 824.5
17 456.0 843.6 853.6
18 459.5 873.1 883.1
19 463.0 902.9 912.9
20 466.5 933.0 943.0
21 470.0 940.0 950.0
22 473.5 947.0 957.0
23 477.0 954.0 964.0
24 480.5 961.0 971.0
25 484.0 968.0 978.0
26 487.5 975.0 985.0
27 491.0 982.0 992.0
28 494.5 989.0 999.0
29 498.0 996.0 1006.0
30 501.5 1003.0 1013.0
31 505.0 1010.0 1020.0
32 508.5 1017.0 1027.0
33 512.0 1024.0 1034.0
34 515.5 1031.0 1041.0
35 519.0 1038.0 1048.0
36 522.5 1045.0 1055.0
37 526.0 1052.0 1062.0
38 529.5 1059.0 1069.0
39 533.0 1066.0 1076.0
40 536.5 1073.0 1083.0
41 540.0 1080.0 1090.0
42 543.5 1087.0 1097.0
43 547.0 1094.0 1104.0
44 550.5 1101.0 1111.0
45 554.0 1108.0 1118.0
46 557.5 1115.0 1125.0
47 561.0 1122.0 1132.0
48 564.5 1129.0 1139.0
49 568.0 1136.0 1146.0
50 571.5 1143.0 1153.0 </pre><hr />
wow this is good info to know. Thx guys.
How were these values determined?
I can pull numbers out of my [censored] too! Look!
Stalker perception: 1 Bajillion
Stalker stealth: Imfinity + one lol
Everyone else perception: 5 lol
Everyone else stealth: 2
Back it up sukka!
Perhaps they were pulled from the PIGG files?
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How were these values determined?
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If I had to guess...
Open up your map, right click on a location. Have the stalker go to that location... turn on Hide etc till you can't see them.
Currently roleplaying, badgehunting, and laughing at the PvPers of CoX. lol, PvP.
Truedusk - Human Rogue
"set as waypoint" available from right click menu on a character in team.
IR Goggle was measured by using Neighborhood marker.
Virture
Question on the Tactics. How were the tactics slotted on the given toons?
Here's the full table of +Perception values for Tactics, by AT and level:
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Level Blaster Control Defende Scrappe Tanker Kheld Brute Stalker MasterM Dominat Corrupt
14 141.4 202 252.5 141.4 141.4 181.8 141.4 141.4 151.5 151.5 202
15 144.2 206 257.5 144.2 144.2 185.4 144.2 144.2 154.5 154.5 206
16 147 210 262.5 147 147 189 147 147 157.5 157.5 210
17 149.8 214 267.5 149.8 149.8 192.6 149.8 149.8 160.5 160.5 214
18 152.6 218 272.5 152.6 152.6 196.2 152.6 152.6 163.5 163.5 218
19 155.4 222 277.5 155.4 155.4 199.8 155.4 155.4 166.5 166.5 222
20 158.2 226 282.5 158.2 158.2 203.4 158.2 158.2 169.5 169.5 226
21 161 230 287.5 161 161 207 161 161 172.5 172.5 230
22 163.8 234 292.5 163.8 163.8 210.6 163.8 163.8 175.5 175.5 234
23 166.6 238 297.5 166.6 166.6 214.2 166.6 166.6 178.5 178.5 238
24 169.4 242 302.5 169.4 169.4 217.8 169.4 169.4 181.5 181.5 242
25 172.2 246 307.5 172.2 172.2 221.4 172.2 172.2 184.5 184.5 246
26 175 250 312.5 175 175 225 175 175 187.5 187.5 250
27 177.8 254 317.5 177.8 177.8 228.6 177.8 177.8 190.5 190.5 254
28 180.6 258 322.5 180.6 180.6 232.2 180.6 180.6 193.5 193.5 258
29 183.4 262 327.5 183.4 183.4 235.8 183.4 183.4 196.5 196.5 262
30 186.2 266 332.5 186.2 186.2 239.4 186.2 186.2 199.5 199.5 266
31 189 270 337.5 189 189 243 189 189 202.5 202.5 270
32 191.8 274 342.5 191.8 191.8 246.6 191.8 191.8 205.5 205.5 274
33 194.6 278 347.5 194.6 194.6 250.2 194.6 194.6 208.5 208.5 278
34 197.4 282 352.5 197.4 197.4 253.8 197.4 197.4 211.5 211.5 282
35 200.2 286 357.5 200.2 200.2 257.4 200.2 200.2 214.5 214.5 286
36 203 290 362.5 203 203 261 203 203 217.5 217.5 290
37 205.8 294 367.5 205.8 205.8 264.6 205.8 205.8 220.5 220.5 294
38 208.6 298 372.5 208.6 208.6 268.2 208.6 208.6 223.5 223.5 298
39 211.4 302 377.5 211.4 211.4 271.8 211.4 211.4 226.5 226.5 302
40 214.2 306 382.5 214.2 214.2 275.4 214.2 214.2 229.5 229.5 306
41 217 310 387.5 217 217 279 217 217 232.5 232.5 310
42 219.8 314 392.5 219.8 219.8 282.6 219.8 219.8 235.5 235.5 314
43 222.6 318 397.5 222.6 222.6 286.2 222.6 222.6 238.5 238.5 318
44 225.4 322 402.5 225.4 225.4 289.8 225.4 225.4 241.5 241.5 322
45 228.2 326 407.5 228.2 228.2 293.4 228.2 228.2 244.5 244.5 326
46 231 330 412.5 231 231 297 231 231 247.5 247.5 330
47 233.8 334 417.5 233.8 233.8 300.6 233.8 233.8 250.5 250.5 334
48 236.6 338 422.5 236.6 236.6 304.2 236.6 236.6 253.5 253.5 338
49 239.4 342 427.5 239.4 239.4 307.8 239.4 239.4 256.5 256.5 342
50 242.2 346 432.5 242.2 242.2 311.4 242.2 242.2 259.5 259.5 346 </pre><hr />
Great thread! 
but what about the Debuff to stealth from Artic Air ? 
it wouldnt matter how tactics are slotted. Since you cant slot it with a Perception SO. Tactics is equivilant to 1
Tactics + a Stalker with Hide = Visible
Tactics + a stalker with hide and stealth = Visible only with 2 perception powers, each power grants 1 point.
so
Tactics + Ir Goggles = Stalker with stealth + hide = Visible
Edit - Although Defenders get the highest % with leadership, Im 99% sure that perception isnt included with the % and it's only the buffs, making tactics still count as 1 perception point/power
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Edit - Although Defenders get the highest % with leadership, Im 99% sure that perception isnt included with the % and it's only the buffs, making tactics still count as 1 perception point/power
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That is incorrect, the +PER bonus from Tactics is dependant on AT. _Castle_ confirmed this Here
Thorizdin
Lords of the Dead
Old School Legends
Peritus, you list the perception bonus from IR Goggles as a flat 200 feet, while _Castle_ lists them as a 15% bonus here
200 feet seems to be too round a number for it to be a percentage of another generated value, did this change since _Castle_ posted?
Thorizdin
Lords of the Dead
Old School Legends
I measured the number of IR Goggle around 2 months after _Castle_'s post. I have no idea whether it had been changed or not.
If you want me to ensure it, I'll try to tp foe you (with Hide only) from 200 ft. away with no +perception build after using 20 Respites at a time, unless villains have control of Siren on training room.
Virture
Interesting data. I've been thinking about respeccing my level 50 blaster to a PVP (stalker hunter) build, so this is really handy.
Something bothers me, though. Supposedly range is a blaster's defense. As it stands though, a buffed blaster can only see a buffed stalker at 11 feet. Which I dare say isn't very ranged. Not to mention that the buffed Stalker can see the buffed blaster at 581.5 feet. It seems like the stalker has the blatant range advantage.
Gandhi 2 - Inf - lvl 50 AR/Dev Bla, Gazebo - Virt - lvl 50 Ice/SS Tank, Ms. Summers - Champ - lvl 50 MA/Inv Scr, Rachel Rosen - Lib - lvl 50 Ice/Emp Ctrl
Kiaransalee - Virt - lvl 50 Nec/Pois Mmd, Tierna - Vic - lvl 50 SS/Stone Bru
(and many <50s)
Eh, it's better than it used to be, at least...In CoV beta, stalker stealth cap was higher than anyone's perception cap, so it was possible for them to be completely undetectable.
Yell at me when you get online, @thorizdin and we can go test this. I'm usually on line by 8:00 EST.
BTW, I wonder what the statistics look like for villain vs hero control in SC, given that enviroment is mainly free of human intervention.
Thorizdin
Lords of the Dead
Old School Legends
Ok, so if I have on Invisiblity (-575 lvl 50 non stalker) and my /SR has Focused Senses (+300) and Focused Accuracy (+300) I could see the Invis at 25 ft away? Alright what If I had Tactics (+243 Scrapper) instead of FA? (now +543) Does than mean I never could see the invis? Just trying to figure this out, thanks.
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Ok, so if I have on Invisiblity (-575 lvl 50 non stalker) and my /SR has Focused Senses (+300) and Focused Accuracy (+300) I could see the Invis at 25 ft away? Alright what If I had Tactics (+243 Scrapper) instead of FA? (now +543) Does than mean I never could see the invis? Just trying to figure this out, thanks.
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Total distance you can be seen is 500 (base) + (perception buffs - perception debuffs) - (stealth buffs - stealth debuffs) = distance target can be seen.
So in your example, it'd be 500 + (300 + 300) - (575) = 525 feet
example 2 is 500 + (543) - (575) = 468 feet
Peritus;
I'd like to ask you a favor. You may have noticed (or not) a discussion in the powers forum about Superior Inviz. What I'm trying to establish is whether Superior Inviz and/or Group Inviz actually have a higher -per value than the non-stalker cap.
There doesn't seem to be any way to measure this for Superior Invisibility. However, I think it could be measured for group invisibility via the Pocket D missions. An illusion controller could put group inviz onto a teamed up stalker, and that stalker could then be measured in the same way that I assume you measured pool power invisibility.
Superior Inviz has historically been better than Group Inviz and pool power Inviz. If Group Inviz, as measured by the stalker, came out at something higher than the non-stalker cap then it would be safe to assume that Superior Inviz would at least match it.
What I'd like to determine, obviously, is whether SI and possibly GI are being hard-capped at lower values than they were intended to be due to being used by a controller. If that's the case then I'd like to ask the devs to take a look and determine whether the current behavior is the intended behavior or whether illusion controllers ought to be an exception to the caps when using their own powers.
My illusion controller is only 34 and doesn't have group inviz, so I can't offer to help, unfortunately. If you care to investigate, though, I'll be in your debt.
Thanks.
I can prepare a watcher and a illusion controller with GI. Only I need is a stalker.
Virture
What server? Does the level matter or should it be a level 40?
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Refer the stealth cap.
Anyway, I'll measure it with my friend soon, and post the result here.
Virture
You can test SI by standing on a Meteor Waymarker in Blood Bay and having a "friendly" Villan move away from you until he can't see you. His distance from to the waymark gives you the SI distance.
Gothic type is based on measurement.
Italic type is based on assumption.
#'s of Tactics, +Perception cap and +Stealth cap are depend on fighting level.
Base perception range <ul type="square">[*]Player: 500 ft.[*]Pets: 400 ft.[/list]
+Perception Cap<ul type="square">[*]Pets: +100 (500)[*]40 Blaster: +580 (1080)[*]48 Tanker: +640 (1140)[/list]
+Perception powers <ul type="square">[*]Insight: +125 (Two or more inspirations do stack.)[*]Keen Insight: +166[*]Uncanny Insight: +250[*]IR Goggle: +200 (per 50% of the time checked every 10 seconds.)
[*]Tactics (50 Defender): +435[*]Tactics (50 Controller): +348[*]Tactics (40 Corruptor, 40 Controller): +304[*]Tactics (50 Blaster): +243[*]Tactics (48 Tanker, 47 Scrapper): +234
[*]Tactics (38 Defender): +373[*]Tactics (30 Defender): +331
[*]Clear Mind, Clarity: +390
[*]Targeting Drone
Focused Senses
Cloak of Darkness
Minerals
Glacial Armor
Focused Accuracy
Shadow Cloak
Danger Sense: +300[/list]
+Stealth Cap<ul type="square">[*]33 non-Stalker : -515[*]38 non-Stalker : -531[*]50 non-Stalker : -575[*] 2 Stalker : -489[*]16 Stalker : -827[*]31 Stalker : -1009[*]38 Stalker : -1057[/list]
-Perception powers, +Stealth <ul type="square">[*]Hide: -500
[*]Stealth
Cloaking Device
Steamy Mist
Shadow Fall
Cloak of Darkness
Shadow Cloak
Energy Cloak
Stealth Suit: -390
[*]Invisibility, Grants Invisibility: -611 (Refer the stealth cap.)[*]Group Invisibility, Superior Invisibility: -575 (Refer the stealth cap.)[/list]
-Perception powers, -Visibility <ul type="square">[*]Smoke
Flash Arrow
Smoke Grenade
Blinding Powder: -450[/list]
Virture