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OK...here's what Chilling Embrace ONCE did...
-0.4 to Recharge
We changed it to...
-.32 to Recharge
-.07 to Damage (thought it was .1, to be honest)
Needless to say, Circeus is right - it's a mild nerf! Eek.
We checked a change in so that Chillling Embrace will NOW be:
-.32 to Recharge
-.14 to Damage
I'll post tomorrow explaining these numbers...
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Looks like they did "hire" you after all, Circeus. 
"I never said thank you." - Lt. Gordon
"And you'll never have to." - the Dark Knight
so...wait, we're getting buffed? *doubletake*
Um...can I get a link, not seeing anythign about that in the dev digest. A doubling of the damage reduction would go a long way, I will admit.
~DJ
Statesman posted that in this thread.
oh, he only SAID it would happen.
I'll believe it when I see it. And then when it hasn't been changed back in the 12 months following it. And then I'll start to not believe it again, just in preparedness.
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oh, he only SAID it would happen.
I'll believe it when I see it. And then when it hasn't been changed back in the 12 months following it. And then I'll start to not believe it again, just in preparedness.
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When Statesman or anyone else says we're going to be buffed, nerfed, or painted polkadots, you should be skeptical: all those things are apparently subject to interpretation.
However, its generally been the case that when Statesman or the devs in general state a very specific change like this, it generally happens. I'm more inclined to believe that if a specific announced change doesn't occur in precisely the way described, that's a backend error on their part, or sometimes an additional overlapping change they just forgot to tell us about, and not something especially nefarious. Its still not a Good Thing for the devs to ever announce something specific and not have that specific thing happen precisely as announced without followup, because that's misleading, but I don't think its deliberately so on their part.
Its also the case that sometimes, I honestly don't think they know the full ramifications of their numbers, no matter how many excel sheets they compile. Sometimes very small changes in numbers interact in non-intuitive ways, and its clear sometimes they make intuition-based errors. Statesman seemed genuinely surprised that the net effect of the changes was a nerf: a numbers-person wouldn't make that error, and someone who knew they weren't a numbers person but ****** checked numbers wouldn't make that error. Someone who sets things by "feel" would.
Its not really an understandable error (there are no understandable errors that are avoidable), but its at least an honest one.
[If I'm understanding the numbers correctly, the original debuff effectively reduced incoming damage to 60% of the original value. The change Statesman *thought* was made (-.32/-.1) would have reduced incoming damage to 61.2% of original - a tiny nerf. The *actual* change reduced damage to 63.24% of original - a significant nerf. The proposed checked change reduces net damage to 58.48% of original, a slight buff. If I understand correctly: recharge is not my field of expertise]
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oh, he only SAID it would happen.
I'll believe it when I see it. And then when it hasn't been changed back in the 12 months following it. And then I'll start to not believe it again, just in preparedness.
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Every time Statesman has said a change will happen, it's happened or he's explained why it couldn't (like that "rage" ability for tankers).
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oh, he only SAID it would happen.
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Well, to be fair, he said "checked in" which means on his end its a done deal and it just has to propagate to us so maybe next week?
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Every time Statesman has said a change will happen, it's happened or he's explained why it couldn't (like that "rage" ability for tankers).
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You mean Fury? 
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Every time Statesman has said a change will happen, it's happened or he's explained why it couldn't (like that "rage" ability for tankers).
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You mean Fury?
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That's the one.
You can laugh but I know a deli just like what you are discribing here.
Harold's Deli in Edison NJ, yes where the guy who invented the light bulb lived and worked.
16 Oz sandwhiches and all. I could tell you the size of thing but you would never believe me nor really grasp it until you saw it for your self. One piece of cake is the hight of my forarm, no kidding at all. They do however provide doggy bags and encourage sharing with a friend.
Sad day when my job moved, what a place. Oh and their egg and bacon sandwhich had 18 slices of bacon. Man that was good eating.
I think I had a heart attack just hearing that dude. Does sound tasty though, so I think it might be worth it.
Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
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[If I'm understanding the numbers correctly, the original debuff effectively reduced incoming damage to 60% of the original value. The change Statesman *thought* was made (-.32/-.1) would have reduced incoming damage to 61.2% of original - a tiny nerf. The *actual* change reduced damage to 63.24% of original - a significant nerf. The proposed checked change reduces net damage to 58.48% of original, a slight buff. If I understand correctly: recharge is not my field of expertise]
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Essentially, yes.
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Once again, proof that empirical data collected through in game testing and concise, polite posts are the best way to bring these things to a devs attention.
Good job. 
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Polite posts, common sense, and thousands of emails have got us no where. The "only if Statesman says you're having fun or not having fun" way seems to prevail. Which is like having someone tell me I REALLY like eating spicy food no matter how much I'm crying, spitting it out, and simply saying "I do not like Spicey food!" Of course none of this could possibly mean I REALLY DO NOT LIKE spicey food.
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Nobody likes boring food. If your eyes are watering, its burning your tongue, and you're ejecting it from your mouth at high speed, that just means you're having a more active eating experience. You get the same amount of calories, but at a significantly higher entertainment level.
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True, however I'm not an masochistic exhibitionist who wants to increase the entertainment levels of other through inflicting self pain no matter how much they enjoy watching or saying it "hurts so good" to me.
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oh, he only SAID it would happen.
I'll believe it when I see it. And then when it hasn't been changed back in the 12 months following it. And then I'll start to not believe it again, just in preparedness.
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Every time Statesman has said a change will happen, it's happened or he's explained why it couldn't (like that "rage" ability for tankers).
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Not PvP that PvP he PvP can PvP honestly or PvP clearly PvP state PvP the PvP true PvP reasons PvP for PvP the PvP "changes" PvP were PvP made.
Hahaha. I guess it's sorta like the old Cheerios commercials with Mikey. "If Mikey likes it, IT'S GOTTA BE GOOD" I hated Cheerios no matter how many times they made that poor kid drink fatty milk with those nasty circles in it. BLAH!
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Every time Statesman has said a change will happen, it's happened or he's explained why it couldn't (like that "rage" ability for tankers).
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You mean Fury?
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There's a part of me that likes to record things as they actually happened, so while I might say "This ability was originally tested for tankers, but later given to brutes as 'Fury,'" I wouldn't ever call it Fury.
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Not PvP that PvP he PvP can PvP honestly or PvP clearly PvP state PvP the PvP true PvP reasons PvP for PvP the PvP changes PvP "changes" PvP made.
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Because of course, this must be mentioned as often as possible, in case someone had forgotten about it in the last 30 seconds.
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Not PvP that PvP he PvP can PvP honestly or PvP clearly PvP state PvP the PvP true PvP reasons PvP for PvP the PvP changes PvP "changes" PvP made.
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Because of course, this must be mentioned as often as possible, in case someone had forgotten about it in the last 30 seconds.
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Holding those accountable has always been one my fortes.
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Hahaha. I guess it's sorta like the old Cheerios commercials with Mikey. "If Mikey likes it, IT'S GOTTA BE GOOD" I hated Cheerios no matter how many times they made that poor kid drink fatty milk with those nasty circles in it. BLAH!
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Dude. C'mon. Life Cereal.
Cheerios was "Cheery Oaty Oooooos!!!"
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Hahaha. I guess it's sorta like the old Cheerios commercials with Mikey. "If Mikey likes it, IT'S GOTTA BE GOOD" I hated Cheerios no matter how many times they made that poor kid drink fatty milk with those nasty circles in it. BLAH!
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Rice Krispies with bananna chunks in it are much better. Of course, making your younger brother and sister "eat things" just for kicks can be fun to. I ever tell you about the time I helped make tacos for the whole family by adding Bubbles liquid to the meat before it was put in the tacos when no one was looking?
Dude. C'mon. Life Cereal.
Cheerios was "Cheery Oaty Oooooos!!!"
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We checked a change in so that Chillling Embrace will NOW be:
-.32 to Recharge
-.14 to Damage
I'll post tomorrow explaining these numbers...
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So States always does what he says?.....um where is the explanation?....lol
Must... move to Jersey...
mmm bacon
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We checked a change in so that Chillling Embrace will NOW be:
-.32 to Recharge
-.14 to Damage
I'll post tomorrow explaining these numbers...
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So States always does what he says?.....um where is the explanation?....lol
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Its still today. It isn't tomorrow yet.
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it is now. 
Like I said...won't be holding my breath on this one....
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Polite posts, common sense, and thousands of emails have got us no where. The "only if Statesman says you're having fun or not having fun" way seems to prevail. Which is like having someone tell me I REALLY like eating spicy food no matter how much I'm crying, spitting it out, and simply saying "I do not like Spicey food!" Of course none of this could possibly mean I REALLY DO NOT LIKE spicey food.
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Nobody likes boring food. If your eyes are watering, its burning your tongue, and you're ejecting it from your mouth at high speed, that just means you're having a more active eating experience. You get the same amount of calories, but at a significantly higher entertainment level.
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Eating while possessed, Linda Blair style, also satisfies these requirements. I'm sure we can all agree that this is an excellent dining experience. Think ambiance...
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Lets not forget the other rules at Cafe Statesman:
1. All our meals are served family-style, but if you come alone, we'll still seat you.
2. If you are alone, may I recommend the appetizer menu.
3. If you want to try the main courses, I suggest you sit over there with those folks and share.
4. No? Well, good luck then, but we don't do doggie bags; if you can't finish it, you can't take it home either.
5. Nope, sorry, you can't order that: serves four or more.
6. Yes, in fact that soup is supposed to be eaten with a fork. It should take about an hour, which gives us enough time to serve the salad.
7. Its supposed to be that spicy, stop asking.
8. No, that dish doesn't have chicken. The last time you were here that dish had chicken? Well, it has eggplant today. The dish doesn't actually say "guaranteed to contain chicken" does it?
9. I'm sorry, you're still eating that soup too quickly. Gonna have to take that fork away. Here's some chopsticks.
10. Put the bowl down.
11. Here's your mussels. Eggplant? Heck, a few minutes ago you were complaining it didn't have chicken.
12. Eat it, its good for you. Well, I like them anyway.
13. Would you like dessert? Shame we don't have any. Would you like to try the soup again?
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Kinda.
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