have a lvl 25 plant/FF troller i like alot.
Also Magicj - thanks for getting me into FF as i hated them till the last week or so...
But i was thinking wouldn't the fastest killing or herding troller be a Fire/FF with Hot feet and bubbled monkey's, then you can have personal field up to survivability?
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have a lvl 25 plant/FF troller i like alot.
Also Magicj - thanks for getting me into FF as i hated them till the last week or so...
But i was thinking wouldn't the fastest killing or herding troller be a Fire/FF with Hot feet and bubbled monkey's, then you can have personal field up to survivability?
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Well, I've always had trouble herding with the monkeys. They grab aggro and leave baddies scattered here and there. I.'m currently trying out slotting for +Recharge bonuses so I can despawn the monkeys, herd, and respawn every fight. But I haven't gotten far enough yet to know if it's possible.
Also, with PFF up HotFeet isn't going to be affecting anything and you can't throw out Fire Cages, so you lose a big chunk of damage there as well.
And, for me at least, the general idea of "hide in PFF while other stuff does all the work" hasn't worked out well. The Devs have done a good job of making sure that PFF is useful without turning it into an "I Win" button.
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
Here's an IOed out Plant/FF/Stone WarTroller build. It's moderately expensive, but still no where near the cost of IOing out an Illusionist for perma PA. It gives a good indication on where to start for IOing out any WarTroller. Emphasis is placed on +Recharge to make Earth's Embrace perma and +Accuracy to increase damage output by making the vet powers hit. Ranged Defense is also buffed up to stack on top of Dispersion Bubble. +Recovery bonuses allow the toon to go for long fights without tiring.
In addition to perma Earth's Embrace, this particular WarTroller can get nearly an extra 400% Regen with Health and Spirit Tree. With 2 Spirit Trees out the Regen is nearly 700%, of which nearly 600% is in the form of an AoE. Health also cuts Sleep Durations in half, Sleeps being the only mez hole in the build.
This toon is capable of tanking things like Nemesis on an 8 man team and has tanked various AVs, such as Dominatrix, Marauder, and Tyrant as the team tank. It has soloed Ghost Widow as an AV, killing her in about a minute using temp powers. It's also a solid farming toon. While it won't be as fast as a Fire/Kin, it's still fast. And it's much more survivable than Fire/Kin. Seeds of Confusion being a much better control than Flashfire is just one reason why this is so.
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Level 50 Mutation Controller
Primary Power Set: Plant Control
Secondary Power Set: Force Field
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Presence
Ancillary Pool: Stone Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Strangler <ul type="square">[*] (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage: Level 39[*] (3) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance: Level 39[*] (5) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge: Level 39[*] (7) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 39[*] (36) Lockdown - Accuracy/Hold: Level 39[*] (36) Lockdown - Recharge/Hold: Level 39[/list]Level 1: Personal Force Field <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 40[*] (40) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 40[*] (40) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 40[*] (46) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Recharge: Level 39[/list]Level 2: Entangle <ul type="square">[*] (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage: Level 39[*] (3) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance: Level 39[*] (7) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge: Level 39[*] (34) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 39[*] (34) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 39[/list]Level 4: Roots <ul type="square">[*] (A) Accuracy IO: Level 40[*] (5) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage: Level 39[*] (15) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance: Level 39[*] (31) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge: Level 39[*] (31) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range: Level 39[*] (31) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 39[/list]Level 6: Aid Other <ul type="square">[*] (A) Healing IO: Level 40[/list]Level 8: Seeds of Confusion <ul type="square">[*] (A) Coercive Persuasion - Confused: Level 50[*] (9) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Recharge: Level 50[*] (9) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Confused/Recharge: Level 50[*] (11) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50[*] (11) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Endurance: Level 50[*] (15) Coercive Persuasion - Contagious Confusion: Level 50[/list]Level 10: Swift <ul type="square">[*] (A) Run Speed IO: Level 40[/list]Level 12: Hasten <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 40[*] (13) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 40[*] (13) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 40[/list]Level 14: Super Speed <ul type="square">[*] (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points): Level 39[/list]Level 16: Aid Self <ul type="square">[*] (A) Healing IO: Level 40[*] (17) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance: Level 39[*] (17) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge: Level 39[*] (19) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge: Level 39[*] (19) Doctored Wounds - Heal: Level 39[*] (25) Doctored Wounds - Recharge: Level 39[/list]Level 18: Health <ul type="square">[*] (A) Healing IO: Level 40[*] (46) Healing IO: Level 40[*] (46) Healing IO: Level 40[/list]Level 20: Stamina <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Modification IO: Level 40[*] (21) Endurance Modification IO: Level 40[*] (21) Endurance Modification IO: Level 40[*] (43) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End: Level 39[/list]Level 22: Dispersion Bubble <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 40[*] (23) Defense Buff[*] (23) Defense Buff[*] (25) Defense Buff[/list]Level 24: Detention Field <ul type="square">[*] (A) Accuracy IO: Level 40[/list]Level 26: Carrion Creepers <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 40[*] (27) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 40[*] (27) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 40[/list]Level 28: Provoke <ul type="square">[*] (A) Perfect Zinger - Taunt: Level 39[*] (29) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Recharge: Level 39[*] (29) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Recharge/Range: Level 39[*] (37) Perfect Zinger - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 39[*] (37) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Range: Level 39[*] (39) Perfect Zinger - Chance for Psi Damage: Level 39[/list]Level 30: Repulsion Field <ul type="square">[*] (A) Explosive Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 20[/list]Level 32: Fly Trap <ul type="square">[*] (A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 39[*] (33) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage: Level 39[*] (33) Expedient Reinforcement - Damage/Endurance: Level 39[*] (33) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 39[*] (34) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge: Level 39[/list]Level 35: Spirit Tree <ul type="square">[*] (A) Healing IO: Level 40[*] (36) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance: Level 39[*] (37) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge: Level 39[*] (39) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge: Level 39[*] (39) Doctored Wounds - Heal: Level 39[*] (40) Doctored Wounds - Recharge: Level 39[/list]Level 38: Force Bubble <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 40[/list]Level 41: Fissure <ul type="square">[*] (A) Accuracy IO: Level 40[*] (42) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage: Level 39[*] (42) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance: Level 39[*] (42) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge: Level 39[*] (43) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range: Level 39[*] (43) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 39[/list]Level 44: Rock Armor <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 40[*] (45) Defense Buff[*] (45) Defense Buff[*] (45) Defense Buff[/list]Level 47: Earth's Embrace <ul type="square">[*] (A) Healing IO: Level 40[*] (48) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance: Level 39[*] (48) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge: Level 39[*] (48) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge: Level 39[*] (50) Doctored Wounds - Heal: Level 39[*] (50) Doctored Wounds - Recharge: Level 39[/list]Level 49: Spore Burst <ul type="square">[*] (A) Fortunata Hypnosis - Accuracy/Sleep/Recharge: Level 50[*] (50) Fortunata Hypnosis - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50[/list]------------
Level 1: Brawl <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Sprint <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 2: Rest <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Containment
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[u]Set Bonus Totals:[u]<ul type="square">[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Fire)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Cold)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Energy)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Negative)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)[*]3.13% Defense(Smashing)[*]3.13% Defense(Lethal)[*]7.5% Defense(Energy)[*]7.5% Defense(Negative)[*]1.56% Defense(Melee)[*]7.5% Defense(Ranged)[*]4% Enhancement(Confused)[*]12% Enhancement(Heal)[*]32% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*]48.8% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*]4% FlySpeed[*]4% JumpHeight[*]4% JumpSpeed[*]Knockback (Mag -4)[*]Knockup (Mag -4)[*]MezResist(Confused) 2.5%[*]MezResist(Held) 2.5%[*]MezResist(Immobilize) 2.5%[*]MezResist(Sleep) 2.5%[*]MezResist(Stun) 2.5%[*]MezResist(Terrorized) 11.9%[*]17% (0.28 End/sec) Recovery[*]20% (0.85 HP/sec) Regeneration[*]6.93% Resistance(Fire)[*]6.93% Resistance(Cold)[*]4% RunSpeed[/list]
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
I've added a video of that Plant/FF/Stone build above tanking an AV here.
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
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Khalidian War Shade is also part Blaster, Tank, and Controller. The WarTroller is not an attempt to create a one-for-one correspondence between War Shade powers and Controller powers.
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i've never seen Kheldian or Warshade get butchered that bad spelling wise. you may want to fix your guide.
I'm very curious about this, especially the Plant/FF/Earth build. Just how much recharge does it take to perma Earth's Embrace (assuming Haste, of course)? If one wanted to get the two ally bubbles in there, what powers might one replace for them? Though of course, that's an option for dual builds.
I tend not to be much for soloing--it's something I might do occasionally for kicks, but I prefer teaming. So I'm more interested in the capability to act as a light tank (I'm aware it wouldn't be quite as good as the Tanker AT, but hopefully serviceable for a number of things) for a team while having support/control abilities.
I like Mind (indeed, my main is a Mind/Emp who's my first and only 50 to this date, though I started playing recently), but I seem to have more concept for a Plant/FF/Earth than Mind/FF/Earth.
Besides, cone confusion every spawn? Pretty sweet if you ask me. It's my favorite status effect.
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Just how much recharge does it take to perma Earth's Embrace (assuming Haste, of course)?
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The build has 48.8% +Recharge from IOs, and that's just about what you'll need. There's a few seconds of overlap with that amount.
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If one wanted to get the two ally bubbles in there, what powers might one replace for them?
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Spirit Tree and Spore Burst would be my two picks.
I've also put together a video of that Plant build doing the Infernal Challenge.
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
Just added a WarTroller RWZ Challenge video.
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
I enjoy the whole "Omni-trollers" bit, but you should really look into Ill/FF or Ill/Kins, if anything, they where the first "Wartrollers". Keep in mind NO controller blasts. Whatsoever, Don't propel confuse any would be trollers. YOU DO NOT BLAST. You can tank.
"If you can make a girl laugh, you can make her do anything"
"You're like Giraffe's, the way you look down on me, with your vegetarian scorn."
Oddly enough, I can't stand my Mind/FF. He's 26 at the moment. Mass Hypnosis is useless on kill all teams and Total Domination recharges way too slow for regular use. It feels annoyingly weak.
Virtue: The-Invictus (Blue)
The Emissary of Justice - Level 50 Fire/Fire Blaster
The Emissary of Justice. - Level 50 WP/Fire Tanker
Mesmerius - Level 50 Psi/Mental Blaster
Nucleoa - Level 50 Rad/Son Defender
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I enjoy the whole "Omni-trollers" bit, but you should really look into Ill/FF or Ill/Kins, if anything, they where the first "Wartrollers". Keep in mind NO controller blasts. Whatsoever, Don't propel confuse any would be trollers. YOU DO NOT BLAST. You can tank.
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I've listed Ill/FF as a WarTroller. And the list of WarTrollers I've provided, Mind/FF/Stone, Plant/FF/Stone, Fire/FF/Stone, and Ill/FF/Stone, isn't meant to be an exclusive list. These are the builds I've personally tested and feel they've earned the title.
As to Ill/Kin in particular being a WarTroller, I'm not so sure. Perhaps an Ill/Kin with perma PA. Otherwise, no. Being able to tank only when PA is up isn't good enough unless PA is up all the time. A tank doesn't tank every 3rd fight. A tank tanks whenever needed for as long as needed. It's a "First One In, Last One Out" sort of thing. Even with perma PA, there's the question of relying on computer AI to do the tanking. Is this good enough to really be considered a tank? Maybe.
As to the whole blasting thing, I dunno. High damage ranged attacks aren't considered blasting? A Fire/FF WarTroller even has some of the same powers available to a /Fire Blaster. Now I'm not claiming it's on the same scale as a Blaster, it's not. But it kills quickly and damage is supplimented with pets and Containment.
P.S.
Love your sig 
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
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Oddly enough, I can't stand my Mind/FF. He's 26 at the moment. Mass Hypnosis is useless on kill all teams and Total Domination recharges way too slow for regular use. It feels annoyingly weak.
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Well, at the very least you'll want to pick up Terrify at 26 and use that rather than Mass Hypnosis and Total Dom as you main control. Do that, along with using your 4 single target attacks, and you should see a big improvement.
That said, just rolling a Mind/FF doesn't necessarily make it a WarTroller. You need ways to manage aggro, basically by picking up Provoke and Aid Self. Doing this tends to change the way the toon is played, making it much more engaged with the fight, as opposed to being solely a support toon. You're still a Controller first and foremost, but you become a bit more Tanker-like. In a pinch, you can even "tank" entire TFs by taking the alpha with PFF up, dropping PFF and controlling the group, and using Provoke and single target controls to manage strays.
From there, you'll have to wait for the late build and the Stone Epic before you can really start doing things that are generally considered to be Tanker-only jobs, such as tanking AVs or GMs or standing in the middle of a group Taunting and hitting Fissure and Seismic Smash.
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
Ok, no inspiration whatever was striking me for the Plant/FF notion. See, two different factors tend to keep me engaged in characters: concept and cool factor. The Plant/FF had the cool factor, but the concept just wouldn't knit together in my head in a way that feels compelling to play. Then I looked at the Illusion/FF. It began to look more interesting. And suddenly a concept hit home in my head for a fun (and lighthearted) character to play.
I know Illusion/FF won't farm nearly as well as the other builds you presented, but farming really isn't an interest of mine at all. I just want a durable controller that can tank things too tough for most controllers, and do decent damage on top of it.
So I fudged around taking what I could work out from your basic Illusion/FF template and the sample Plant/FF IO set build. A quirk here: I took Hover partly for fun, though it does have the nice value of some added defense. Also, I noticed that the presented Illusion/FF build, unlike the others, left Provoke out. Is that because of Phantom Army or something? I've left Provoke out of my build as well, but can work it in if needed (I don't know if Provoke's needed on teams without other tanking options or not). Also, Group Invisibility's taken later than I actually would take a stealth skill while leveling up, but for all practical purposes this is a respec build (thus the total disregard for slotting order). I usually just figure out what I need as I level up, then respec into something more tidy. Also, it shows 10% more resist bonuses than I actually have thanks to the Pet Resistance IO which I slotted in mainly for the set defense bonus.
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Rolly Bug Rose: Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Illusion Control
Secondary Power Set: Force Field
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Flight
Ancillary Pool: Stone Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Blind <ul type="square">[*] (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage[*] (3) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance[*] (3) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge[*] (5) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[*] (5) Lockdown - Recharge/Hold[*] (7) Lockdown - Accuracy/Hold[/list]Level 1: Personal Force Field <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (33) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (33) Recharge Reduction IO[/list]Level 2: Deceive <ul type="square">[*] (A) Coercive Persuasion - Confused[*] (7) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Recharge[*] (9) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Confused/Recharge[*] (9) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (11) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Endurance[*] (11) Coercive Persuasion - Contagious Confusion[/list]Level 4: Spectral Wounds <ul type="square">[*] (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage[*] (13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance[*] (13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge[*] (15) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[*] (15) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance[*] (17) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge[/list]Level 6: Swift <ul type="square">[*] (A) Run Speed IO[/list]Level 8: Aid Other <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO[/list]Level 10: Hasten <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (19) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (21) Recharge Reduction IO[/list]Level 12: Hover <ul type="square">[*] (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range[*] (36) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance[*] (37) Flight Speed IO[/list]Level 14: Super Speed <ul type="square">[*] (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range[*] (43) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance[/list]Level 16: Aid Self <ul type="square">[*] (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance[*] (17) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge[*] (19) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge[*] (21) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge[*] (23) Doctored Wounds - Heal[*] (46) Doctored Wounds - Recharge[/list]Level 18: Phantom Army <ul type="square">[*] (A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (23) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[*] (25) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge[*] (25) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage[*] (27) Call to Arms - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[*] (27) Call to Arms - Endurance/Damage/Recharge[/list]Level 20: Health <ul type="square">[*] (A) Healing IO[*] (46) Healing IO[/list]Level 22: Stamina <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Modification IO[*] (29) Endurance Modification IO[*] (31) Endurance Modification IO[/list]Level 24: Dispersion Bubble <ul type="square">[*] (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance[*] (29) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge[*] (37) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge[*] (40) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge[*] (40) Red Fortune - Defense[*] (46) Red Fortune - Endurance[/list]Level 26: Spectral Terror <ul type="square">[*] (A) Glimpse of the Abyss - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (33) Glimpse of the Abyss - Endurance/Fear[*] (34) Glimpse of the Abyss - Accuracy/Endurance[*] (34) Glimpse of the Abyss - Fear/Range[*] (34) Glimpse of the Abyss - Accuracy/Fear/Recharge[/list]Level 28: Deflection Shield <ul type="square">[*] (A) Defense Buff IO[*] (31) Defense Buff IO[*] (31) Defense Buff IO[/list]Level 30: Insulation Shield <ul type="square">[*] (A) Defense Buff IO[*] (36) Defense Buff IO[*] (36) Defense Buff IO[/list]Level 32: Phantasm <ul type="square">[*] (A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (37) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage[*] (39) Expedient Reinforcement - Damage/Endurance[*] (39) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[*] (39) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge[*] (40) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets[/list]Level 35: Repulsion Field <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO[/list]Level 38: Force Bubble <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO[/list]Level 41: Fissure <ul type="square">[*] (A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage[*] (42) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance[*] (42) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge[*] (42) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range[*] (43) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance[*] (43) Rope A Dope - Accuracy/Recharge[/list]Level 44: Rock Armor <ul type="square">[*] (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance[*] (45) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge[*] (45) Red Fortune - Defense[*] (45) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge[/list]Level 47: Earth's Embrace <ul type="square">[*] (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal[*] (48) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge[*] (48) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge[*] (48) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge[*] (50) Doctored Wounds - Recharge[*] (50) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%[/list]Level 49: Group Invisibility <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (50) Recharge Reduction IO[/list]------------
Level 1: Brawl <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Sprint <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 2: Rest <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Containment
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[u]Set Bonus Totals:[u]<ul type="square">[*]17% DamageBuff(Smashing)[*]17% DamageBuff(Lethal)[*]17% DamageBuff(Fire)[*]17% DamageBuff(Cold)[*]17% DamageBuff(Energy)[*]17% DamageBuff(Negative)[*]17% DamageBuff(Toxic)[*]17% DamageBuff(Psionic)[*]3% Defense(Smashing)[*]3% Defense(Lethal)[*]3% Defense(Fire)[*]3% Defense(Cold)[*]17.7% Defense(Energy)[*]17.7% Defense(Negative)[*]3% Defense(Psionic)[*]3% Defense(Melee)[*]24.9% Defense(Ranged)[*]3% Defense(AoE)[*]50% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*]2.75% Enhancement(Terrorized)[*]8% Enhancement(Heal)[*]32% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*]4% Enhancement(Confused)[*]4% FlySpeed[*]19.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints[*]4% JumpHeight[*]4% JumpSpeed[*]MezResist(Confused) 5%[*]MezResist(Held) 5%[*]MezResist(Immobilize) 9.4%[*]MezResist(Sleep) 5%[*]MezResist(Stun) 5%[*]MezResist(Terrorized) 9.4%[*]13% (0.22 End/sec) Recovery[*]10% (0.42 HP/sec) Regeneration[*]10% Resistance(Smashing)[*]10% Resistance(Lethal)[*]16.6% Resistance(Fire)[*]16.6% Resistance(Cold)[*]10% Resistance(Energy)[*]10% Resistance(Negative)[*]11.3% Resistance(Toxic)[*]11.3% Resistance(Psionic)[*]4% RunSpeed[/list]
Looks good.
And no, leaving Provoke out in the sample Illusion WarTroller I posted was an accident.
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
...Hee. I'll have to work Provoke in, then. Well, not too hard to do. Ditch Hover, steal a slot each from Aid Self and Group Invisibility (looking at it, GI looks like it could be might be perma even without a single recharge SO thanks to the amount of global recharge plus Hasten, so I can just drop a defense IO in or something), get five-slotted Provoke (a little frankenslotted since Taunt sets don't have enough Accuracy in them to make me entirely happy), and we're done.
Sounds good.
I put together a corrected version of the Ill/FF WarTroller.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/
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Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Illusion Control
Secondary Power Set: Force Field
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Presence
Ancillary Pool: Stone Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Blind -- Acc(A), Acc(3), Dmg(11), Dmg(11), Dmg(13), Hold(13)
Level 1: Personal Force Field -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(34), RechRdx(34), Empty(46)
Level 2: Spectral Wounds -- Acc(A), Acc(3), Dmg(5), Dmg(7), Dmg(7)
Level 4: Deceive -- Acc(A), Acc(5), Conf(40), RechRdx(40)
Level 6: Aid Other -- Heal(A), Heal(40)
Level 8: Hasten -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(9), RechRdx(9)
Level 10: Swift -- Run(A)
Level 12: Deflection Shield -- DefBuff(A), DefBuff(15), DefBuff(15)
Level 14: Health -- Heal(A)
Level 16: Aid Self -- RechRdx(A), Heal(17), RechRdx(17), Heal(29), RechRdx(29), Heal(31)
Level 18: Phantom Army -- Acc(A), RechRdx(19), RechRdx(19), RechRdx(23), Dmg(23), Dmg(25)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod(A), EndMod(21), EndMod(21), Empty(46)
Level 22: Dispersion Bubble -- EndRdx(A), DefBuff(25), DefBuff(27), DefBuff(27)
Level 24: Super Speed -- Run(A)
Level 26: Spectral Terror -- Acc(A), Acc(31), RechRdx(39), RechRdx(39), RechRdx(39)
Level 28: Insulation Shield -- DefBuff(A), DefBuff(37), DefBuff(37)
Level 30: Provoke -- Acc(A), Acc(31), RechRdx(36), Taunt(36), RechRdx(36), Taunt(37)
Level 32: Phantasm -- Acc(A), Acc(33), Dmg(33), Dmg(33), Dmg(34)
Level 35: Group Invisibility -- DefBuff(A), RechRdx(43)
Level 38: Force Bubble -- RechRdx(A)
Level 41: Fissure -- Acc(A), Acc(42), Dmg(42), Dmg(42), Dmg(43), EndRdx(43)
Level 44: Seismic Smash -- Acc(A), Acc(45), Dmg(45), Dmg(45), Dmg(46)
Level 47: Earth's Embrace -- RechRdx(A), Heal(48), RechRdx(48), Heal(48), RechRdx(50), Heal(50)
Level 49: Rock Armor -- EndRdx(A), DefBuff(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
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Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
Tested the WarTroller builds for damage vs a single target. The results can be found at: Controller Primary Kill Times and DPS Vs Single Target Summary
Videos of the tests being taken and the builds used can be found here:
Damage Pre-32 Fire, Illusion, Mind, Plant.
Damage Pre-32 Fire, Illusion, Mind, Plant, With Hasten
Damage Level 32 Fire, Illusion, Mind, Plant
Damage Level 32 Fire, Illusion, Mind, and Plant With Hasten
Damage Level 32 Plant w/Pet Recast
Testing Builds for Fire, Illusion, Mind, and Plant
The original prototypes for the tests are here:
WarTroller Single Target Damage Test Pre-Level 32
WarTroller Single Target Damage Test Level 32
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
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Troller Damage
Hey MagicJ, you have an updated version of your build that is I19?
I am referring of course, to the Mind/FF
Thanks.
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I've put together a couple of videos of my Mind/FF WarTroller build soloing AVs. With the new incarnate powers, there's no need for temp powers or even any -Regen. You can find them here:
Part 1: WhisperWitch Vs. Chimera and Nightstar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Xkx5-ymWM
Part 2: WhisperWitch Vs Marauder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md6TYC3ZpCc
Both videos show the builds at the end of the video, including the new Incarnate powers. Hope you like them. 
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
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Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
Here's a 3rd video showing a different way to solo an AV with a WarTroller. This method only works with the Mind/FF variant of WarTrollers (it might work for Illusion/FF too, but I've never tested it. It would require Illusion to not use its pets, and Illusion is pretty gimped without them). It uses a confused boss. This method:
● Uses no temp powers
● Uses no incarnate pets
● Uses No -Regen
The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lINTZmjGDUo
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
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WhisperWitch Vs. Shadowhunter
Here's a 4th video, this one vs Shadowhunter. It includes a high speed recording of the entire timed mission, to give an idea how the Mind/FF WarTroller build works vs things other than AVs. This mission settings include:
● Player equal to 4 players
● Bosses
● AVs
The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nml5LEtyjig
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
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Troller Damage
This video is Vs a rikti pylon, several AVs, and the Scrapper Challenge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfck_URQSTc
I've had a chance now to test a few different configurations of incarnate powers. For soloing AVs and such, I'd currently suggest Void as the AoE (for its -damage), Longbow as the pet (for it's range, damage, and -Regen), Ageless for the buff (for its +Recharge and +Recovery), Reactive for the debuff (for its -Resistance), and Muscular for the Alpha (For +Damage).
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage
Great videos.
I really would like to see an updated build for the mind/ff, please. I've been fiddling with my own mind/ff for 18 months and it would be great to see how you've slotted.
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Would like to reply to this incredibly old post since ive been using a Mind/FF/Stone main for a while now and I'm usually up there with the Tanks, Brutes, and Scrappers giving everybody about 30% defense on everything and being able to use my holds and knockdowns in melee range to lower incoming dmg while having a pretty decent dmg output myself.
I love trollers and this probably is the reason why ive always loved trollers because this amazing way to play them! Your playstyle is still very relevant MJ and i <3 you! Thnx ^_^
That's fine.
I'll just say that none of the temp powers used reduce incoming damage. The WarTroller's ability to survive comes from the build, not the temp powers.
As to the general idea of using temp powers in the video, the whole original intent of that video was to show just how much damage a WarTroller can do in the rare cases where extreme damage is needed. Yes it's true other builds could use those same temp powers. But most Controllers couldn't survive the return attacks. And if you can't do that, the pylon (or AV, or GM, or whatever) will just focus on your temp pets and kill them.
The concept is identical to a Tankermind holding aggro while the Henchmen do the killing. It's only needed in rare cases. For most cases the WarTroller has plenty of damage in the build itself.
That combo is just seriously sick, and is a perversion of gameplay mechanics. - Excelsio
The Infernal Challenge
Building a WarTroller
Troller Damage