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Yep, if you have JUST SS your AoE aint gonna be THAT great.
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Quote:No, i learned this the hard way *sigh*Originally Posted by Deevian
Question about IO slotting
Is slotting blazing aura with a lot of chance for damage procs as good as I think it is?
But the proc will only have a chance to go off every 10 seconds which means on average it will go off every 50 seconds or so. Proc are much better in attacks, my build happens to have two in Foot Stomp. -
Ah yes, you could defently say its gimped, it's STdps, and non-farm potential is for sure haha.
But the ST attacks dont need to be used anyway, as you have a full AoE attack chain. And as far as acc in FS you're tohit capped against +4s with just one rage. -
Quote:Here, its prety much a farm only build though. But its got 102% rech with a cost of about 1-2 bil (my build has 130% or so and costs about 10 bil lol). But since you already have oblits it shouldnt be too bad.Originally Posted by Deevian
Could somebody post an 80/20 build(Tries to get 80% of the benefit for 20% of the cost, ie best bang for the buck) for a SS/FA/MU please? (=
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I dont think they do, actually. Ive run several toggles all at one time, their "comets" were in sync. And they had different end/sec costs
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If you plan making a farming build I wouldn’t worry about s/l def and just slot as much +rech as you can. This is actually what i did with mine. Making **** tons of inf is fun, and it’s actually incentive to farm when it’s all you can do haha.
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Quote:Ok, now i kinda wanna do that haha.Originally Posted by Come Undone
keep leveling and grab leviathan mastery PPP. Has 2 breath attacks for brutes/tankers. Plus you can throw a shark/multiple sharks at things. Or if you switch to fire/shield you can have fire breath (primary) cold breath (leviathan pool) and posion breath (also leviathan) so you can have more variation with your deadly breath attacks.
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Quote:Oh, sorry was talking about OPs build.Originally Posted by thedarkeone
Funny havent had a single end issue even before I got my alpha slot. Now running all my toggles plus sprint plus my alpha and my end bar barely moves.
EDIT: tissue, build looks much better. But the +rech proc is only good in Foot stomp, so i would move those slots into something else (or put dmg procs there). FE could use 1. -
Quote:Using fences as well is the idea. Soul tentacles, it turns out, is horrible AoE and hits about 3 targets or so even in an ambush.Originally Posted by TheBruteSquad
(Unless you were using electrifying fences as well... but soul tentacles does more damage so I don't know how that would help things.)
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I would NEVER recomend soul when it comes to farming. At least not ambushs, which is what i recomend for farming, i used to farm with /soul and then i respeced into /mu. At the time nothing else had changed on the build other than that and my time went down from 6 or 4 minutes a mish. So mu is what, 33% better?
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If you dont like to farm dont get mu get soul.
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Your build is going to have horrible horrible end.
And dont slot so many oblits, when trying to hit the SL soft cap those should be a last resort. 6 slots for 1.875% s/l...not very good.
Oh, and the FF+rech proc in Foot stomp is AWESOME if you are farming ambushs. I veiw it as a must have. -
Both SS or Claws would work, imo. SS has the best AoE for the most part but claws is up there. So really whichever you think fits the concept better.
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here, i made a couple of small changes. FE is up a little bit more often now, every second is suprisingly useful.
But what you posted looked sweet already, a nice mix +Rech and def.
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I want a clanket now, make it happen devs. :P
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The only powers that i know of that are not affected by fury are the vet powers. Temp power are affected I believe, but i may be wrong.
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Quote:Yep, ALL of my toons (that i play) have numi and miracle. But i do skip regen tissue every now and then, like on my MM.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
If you have the inf, there's no such thing as too much recovery, so passing on the Numina's and the Miracle is looking a gift horse in the mouth. If you have a lot of defensive or resistive mitigation, there's also no such thing as having too much regen. About the only melee I wouldn't consider putting all three into are regen scrappers and stalkers: I might skip Regenerative Tissue. But even with stamina and quick recovery, I'm slotting Miracle and Numina's eventually. Maybe as a lower priority, but eventually.
But, 325mil isnt very much anyway >.<
Edit: PS+end is TOTALLY worth it as well. I slot that before miracle/numi. -
Yep, its 100% just like how the PS + end proc is 10% rather than 10
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I remember trying to figure something like this out, ive even thought of the idea of starting a thread (today in fact), only i was also counting at the -res cap to find out the highest dmg that can be delt for one attack in game. I gave up after awhile but so far it ended up being energy transer+FE (dont worry i know about the dmg it deals to you) on a brute.
Clocking in at approx 7238.9625 dmg unless i dont know how -res works
Edit: stalker AS ended up not actually being all that great because they dont get FE. -
Quote:Yep, but i removed purples from the macro, as i need to use those. And then added either $$powexec_name Foot Stomp, powexec_name Ball lightning, or powexec_name Electrifying fences. So the combine macros were what i used for attacking as well, burn i still the normal power icon though. I can say this is the number 1 thing that has increased my inf/min and tix/min rates.Originally Posted by Fuzzy Kittens
Here's a link to the guide (it's a thing of beauty): http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...aker%27s+guide
Challenge accepted? :PQuote:Originally Posted by PBaRmy
my DM/Fire/Mu will challenge any ss/fire -
Quote:I am almost always at the dmg cap for my attacks on my SS/fire/mu, as i use macros for combining and popping insp. Of course, that is after the 80%+ they have slotted in attacks, as i am not always at the actual cap for dmg in the combat numbers window. That prolly averages 590%ish(690%) . I do generally hit the cap in every mish just not the whole time.Originally Posted by Deevian
Tanks have higher base damage, brutes get 175% from full fury bar. It seems like that is the true center of gravity in their difference in this case, who runs anywhere close to the 775% damage cap on a solo farming brute?(And are these numbers correct?)
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Its amazing how many people dont notice fury working, I really just cant believe it.
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Quote:I really dont think Dark/ would make a good farmer.Originally Posted by Deevian
TY, this is the start I was hoping to get off to. Yes Another fan, those are questions I was asking myself.
In particular these are combinations that at least while theorycrafting look extremely promising for farming fire AE:
Scrapper...
Dark/Fire (Dark has at least looks like it had awesome AE damage)
It has:
Shadow Maul, 5 targets but does THREE times the dam of FS with -act and insanely fast recharge.
Dark Consumption + Soul Drain, both medium damage PBAE with amazing secondary effects.
Midnight Grasp, A RIDICULOUSLY hard hitting version of shadow maul that roots(burn baby burn?) and once again extremely fast recharge. 5 target max again but recharge in 15 sec base and more than triples the damage of similar 10 cap ae.
I'm I missing something? 5 targets, triple damage, 10 targets 1/3rd damage? What am I missing in regards to darks AE capabilities?
Spines/Fire (Spines has a ton of slow/imob, which would help negate the run away issue and completely synergize with burn)
Dark Consumption and soul drain (according to mids) are going realistically make out at about 10 and 9.5 dps respectively. Which would be a total of 195 AoEdps.
With Maul IF you are going to use it every time its up has about 120ish dps which is 600 AoEdps. But it is very unlikely you will be using it EVERY times its up right when its up, at which point it's dps decays rapidly.
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Quote:Yes. :POriginally Posted by Deevian
Does this mean brutes are the undisputed farming masters?
First things first. "run fire AE farms" IS the way to "Gain the most inf per unit time." I for one easily gain about 1 purple worth of inf every 45min or so. Which i have never heard of any purple farmer getting.Quote:The definition I'm using for farm isn't as narrow as "run fire AE farms" but is more like "Gain the most inf per unit time",also the cost of the build is an issue, as whats the point of a great farmer if it takes 3 bil to get him running, you would have to subtract that from your earnings, no? A caveat to this is if there is a truly Exceptional build that is more expensive but manages to pay itself off quickly with the benefit of increased earnings.
I guess if something other than AE can generate that amout of inf then i would build a toon for that.
Quote:Getting back to my original point, brutes.. A tanker can also run FA/SS, and I have seen a couple operate at such blistering speed I wonder how much a brute could beat them by.
Tank running at dmg cap 0.8*4= 3.2
Brute running at dmg cap 0.75*7.5= 5.625
Is a good quick way to compare their dmg (a good farmer is at the dmg cap)
Im afraid i cant answer all of theses questions but:Quote:More questions..
A scrapper can't do SS, but can run fire like a champ.
What about DM/FA on a scrapper? The initial burst on burn should negate most of the problems of them running away and DM's has 3 awesome AE's one which happens to greatly increased your damage. Or for the matter a Spines/FA or elec/FA scrapper.
That would get us back to Elec/FA.. The difference was said to be somewhat small between elec/ and SS/, but what about a scrapper that packs inherently stronger damage packing elec/fa?
What about various other builds? Can any archetypes come close to the inf/time ratios of ss/fa? Obviously controllers can, but what is the take from a Fire/Kin or Fire/Rad comparatively. What about Stalkers/Dominators/Corruptors/MM etc?
1. if you mean Dark Melee as DM...it has some of the worst AoE out there
2. The reasons trollers have fallen out of favor is because of 2 things i think.
a. they spend too much time not ACTUALLY attacking (i.e. using FS)
b. Ambushs have because the best way to farm, trollers can not do this unless they build for a ton of def or use a lot of purples and oranges. Even still they can die.
I remember awhile ago, in this thread i think, the idea of posting videos had come up. I for one LOVED the idea. But it never took off, and i could never figure out how to do it.Quote:Now after going through all that, I know I started with the "very best farmer" idea, but really want I want is to compile more information on farming in general. There is no home forum sub-area for farming, so the information is scattered throughout all the different sub-areas and is frustrating difficult to collect, collate and let alone analyze. I think it would be awesome and greatly beneficially to all if we could use this thread to start collecting and concentrating farming info(Or start a new thread if need be). Links, personal insight, cold hard facts, etc Please leave flaming and opinion out though!
Loving the ideaQuote:As far as the information collection request, I would not ask somebody to do a whole lot of work for me without anything in return. I am more than willing to collect links and setup a google docs center, analyze numbers, create spreadsheets, forms, whatever(Math/CS Dual Major).
TL;DR version: If we could turn this into a version of the scapper pylon thread(ie. analytical numbers based in fact), but for farmers, that would be awesome. -
Quote:So its like Mass Effect meets Star Wars meets Farscape...AWESOME.Originally Posted by DLancer
When I20 goes live, humanity will make contact with aliens, and together you'll build a cool spaceship and be made a intergalactic secret agent in pursuit of a rogue agent who wants to bring back a ancient alien race of killer lobster spaceship robots from beyond the galaxy who will eat everyone. You'll be trained by an ancient master of mystical space powers and given a laser sword to fight this rogue agent who is later revealed to be your father and also your sister. Even if you're a robot or a time traveller who became his own father due to timey whimey ball stuff.
From there, Earth will be destroyed by the robots and you'll spend the next several story arcs running away from the killer robots on the only ship left with the remains of humanity, until you get shot through a wormhole to a distant part of the universe and end up on a living ship full of Escaped Prisoners from the Zig. They're not happy with you either. But that's the end of the arc until i21.