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Ok, honestly...what difference is there between this:

Lvl 5 troller lfsewers

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Lvl 5 troller lf AE

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Because youre Forgetting:

[Broadcast]Generic Name: Leve 44 Tank LFF
[Broadcast]Generic Name:level 2 scrapper LFF
[Broadcast]Generic Name:level 2 scrapper LFF
[Broadcast]Generic Name:levee 1 blster LFF
[Broadcast]Generic Name:loking 4 AE Furm
[Broadcast]Generic Name:AE FARM LOOKING FOR LEVEL 45+ PEOPLE FOR BOSS FARM ONLY
[Broadcast]Generic Name:Healer looking for AE farm
[Broadcast]Generic Spammer: Plz Invite to AE Farm
[Broadcast]Generic Spammer: Plz Invite to AE Farm
[Broadcast]Generic Spammer: Plz Invite to AE Farm
[Broadcast]Generic Spammer: Plz Invite to AE Farm
[Broadcast]Generic Spammer: Plz Invite to AE Farm

I think theres a difference there, dont you?

I also think its funny that all these people are defending the farming Spam when its obviously not something the Devs are okay with and are just like 'Ignore it and go play your game, its not affecting you!'

[censored]. It is affecting me. Im having difficulty getting PuGs Together, TFs together, or anything thats not a Fracking AE Farm. I dont mind running the missions but Id like to not kill level 54 Bosses for the rest of my time in CoH.

Anyone who says it HASNT affected their PuGing is Lying.

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I formed a STF saturday in less than 10 min from first call to start of TF. Im calling shenanegans on you. Of course, you may be on a lot of peoples black list for teaming because of past behavior.

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If you read back you will see that it wasn't a blind invite and I was actually looking for an AE team when the newbs invited me....the mission they already had loaded was a Meow Farm that auto levels everyone up to the max level. I was just sharing my story of why this is a problem. You don't need to think all us are in the wrong because we are expressing our dislike for the farms that are causing problems.

If you don't think it is damaging the game, then you should check the drastic price drops on some items like Chronal Skip.

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Why is that a problem? salvage was way overpriced anyway.

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Really? I don't seem to recall being able to gain 26 levels by running 5 missions before MA...

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Thats because you couldnt load an entire map with nothing but comm officers before the AE

Got nothing to do with average exp gain when you're stacking the map. :P

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No Rikti Comm Officers or Headmen were used for this at all...

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Pssst....Liberate TV will give a lowbie much more than 5 levels for 1 run.

The difference now is the lowbies don't pay for farms and there is no need for perma 46 bridges. The lowbies can come right on in and help earn their exp. This adds to the speed of the runs as well.

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and overall, it is a good thing. they get into fast paced fun without the tedium of the low level grind. I agree there will probably be some adjustments. just not the sweeping hammer that the doomcryers want.(see, that descriptive works for both sides of the argument)

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But but you wont play with them and save the cat gurlz!!


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Will no-one think of the poor Cat Gurl band kidnapped by Ebil Robots ? (#116617)

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you know I have to log in and check that one out.

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There are a number of good points on both sides of the issue here.

I have to confess, I've farmed myself. I wanted to play with a friend of mine, and I ended up getting almost 17 levels in 45 minutes. (Level 3 to level 19)

What I found, later, was that when I hit level 20, I was unable to find a team to help me get my cape. Or I was unable to find a team to help me do regular missions. Hell, I'm unable to find a team to help me do AE non-farm missions.

I love the Architect. I see great things coming from the Architect. But it seems that the only people in /broadcast, the only people teaming, are teaming for farms. I'm forced to farm if I don't want to solo. And I suck at soloing.

My two copper pieces.

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You must be on the wrong server. Did a farm mission testerday, formed a STF, and went and did regular MA missions after that. No problems making teams. Of course, I am willing to form my own team. too many in this game are teaming cowards, always wanting someone else to do the work of leading a team.

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In what reality did Street Farming get elliminated because of player complaints? I remember distinctly it was DEV complaints and they never nerfed street mobs they (effectively) depowered mission mobs making them more desirable. Only difference was that you got full debt outside. If you aren't dieing there is no difference in experience from when CoH went live.

Devs wanted players to play a story not just button mash street thugs. In CoV they didn't even set up zones to do street hunting like in CoH.

The same goes for the mission players were abusing. It wasn't due to player complaints but due to DEV complaints. Best example was that Power Diversification and Fire tank nerfs were announce after someone told Statesman to stop attacking mobs in a mission that he was just slowing down the Fire Tank. He apparently took a dim view of being told to guard the door.

The Devs play this game and if you team with random people you may well be playing with one. They have a vision of how the game should be played and will enforce it regardless of what "whiney" players say.

In ALL the cases the OP listed there was a LOT more whining by players after the change than before it. After the announcement of Power Diversification the wailing was crazy bad. For good or bad, if they were just going by posters complaints the game wouldn't look anything like it does.

Before you complain about whiners make sure you aren't one.

MA needs some tweeks. To say otherwise is unrealistic. Hopefully they won't go overboard with the fixes but so far the Devs have been very open to rethinking and rebalancing.

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You are definately correct that the dev's made changes that were more inline with how they saw the game then the complaints themselves, BUT I was one of those fire tanks you are talking about and the consensus from the "Whiners" were that they needed to be nerfed and how unfair it was.

I honestly love I14 and I think its the closest thing to next gen I have seen. I have always been under the fancy that its up to the person how they play the game, but it seems more and more people are stating that it affects their game and needs to be changed because of this.

Make some changes to the MA but don't change it because people are complaining that it takes away from their game.

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But but you wont play with them and save the cat gurlz!!! Just like the silly buggers that wouldnt stand around in tf's and let them rp, they want to control how you play.

Fact is, there is a sizable group in this game that plays for character advancement. Be it xp, inf,badges or Io sets. The devs can set that advancement however they want, but if they go too far either way, it signals bad things for the game. Yes, some of the more out there examples of farms were pushing things and needed to be dealt with. But ignoring that farming is a part of this game is not the answer. Make a statement that it is acceptable providing certain points are followed, IE no exploits.
Make a farm tag and dont go and delete the missions unless exploits are found. Running off the farmers will be just as bad for the bottom line as giving them too much slack.

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We need to be explicitly told. The only ones who would disagree are just the people who are RP snobs and don't like people playing this as a game in the first place.


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In other words, "If you don't agree with my position, you're just a {fill-in-the-blank} and people should pay no attention to what you say." Typical debate tactic of someone who knows they are on the losing side of an argument.

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sadly, both sides have been known to use it .

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I read it as: Okay, devs' balls in your court

God I need to get my mind out of the gutter.

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Order in the court!!!

Bailiff, I will have the Sirloin and baked potato. Extra butter.

If I play a arc with too many EB's or AV's with no real reason...I 1 star it. They are way overdone. Make good solid arcs with a final boss/eb/av fight. at least make it have some thought put into it.

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Only reason i see is that many many many people use cargo ships for some reason. All i see in MA is cargo ship and ninjas. I'll just say I'm kinda of getting sick of cargo ships and there all the same thing same layout too which kind of makes them boring to me.

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the devs had no problem throwing them at us in striga.

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The reason they only use player powersets is, most likely, because it would be way, way too easy to make mobs that are insanely easy to farm if you could give them just Generic Pistol Attacks or whatever.

Some good powersets for normal minion attacks that I've found:

-Dual Blades. For whatever reason, DB tends to miss a lot and isn't insanely damaging.

-Dark Blast. Minions have this odd tendency to only try and use Gloom, for the most part, which makes them easily manageable.

-Sonic Attack. Though it can be dangerous in conjunction with other minion attacks, the Sonic blasts are generally horribly weak and don't cause many issues.

-Archery. Fully lethal damage ranged attacks. Very easy to overcome.

-Spines. The slow effects can be a bit tough, but, overall, not highly damaging.

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Unfortunately, my lvl 1-15 toons are really crappy at farming. On the other hand, it would be nice to be able to make content for them. the
se opponents are only worth tiny bits of exp in the first place. I cant see farmers lining up 100k of these to kill. Aoe only hits 16. reeeeaaaal tedious to farm. Lets us use the ma for these levels. You know, the ones people have been complaining of the staleness of the content for so long? Farmingphobia will kill this game.

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Having some personal experience with this and it's link to the AE, I posted a mission arc five missions long called Trainer Mission. In this, you were sent to a cargo ship 5 times, each time filled with ninjas, which were regular DB/Regen Lieutenants, and were some good experience and tickets. Also please remember that in the description or the intro dialogue (one of them, I forget) I practically told the people who played it to not play it if they didn't already have good experience with the game. After two or three days and 18 perfect ratings and good feedback, someone must've reported it for farming, and it got banned. If I could just please say, farming is a useful tool for getting salvage, recipes, and more from the AE. As said before, farmers can come up with some of the best builds. I have a 50, and I'm working on getting more, but when I'm out of inf or need experience, I'll farm. Please unban, devs are starting to sacrifice fun for balance, and games aren't meant to be about balance, they're meant for you to have as much fun as you can.

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DB/regen is hardly an "easy" fight. Why ban? it is up to the individual GM. they dont have to have a clue.

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Why don't people use Request? I mean, I thought that was the channel intended for group forming.

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Broadcast is for whatever. Make a global "x MA story arc" channel. That way people in a different zone can see when you are forming a team. Broadcast is zone specific. I would love to see a global ma farm channel.

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I don't how that possibly effects your ability to make or join a team. Because it does not. People need to just face it, farms are a permanent fixture.

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I can't see the LFM for regular teams because the LFM for Farms is so thick it's blowing them off broadcast. Same as what happens in PI.

And no, farms would not be a permanent fixture if the devs would just grow a spine and do something about them.

Frankly, I don't care if you farm. You can play your game as boring as you want to. Stop spamming broadcast with it and I wouldn't care a whit about it.

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Ill stop spamming broadcast if you will stop spamming for rwz raids...or the silly "I want to kill all in the TF" messages. If the devs had intended kill all, they would have made them kill all.

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So you come to tell us you found an exploit but you aren't going to tell us what it is.

Why create this thread then? Just to brag that you turn in exploiters?

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he is trying for the snitch badge...

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A little clarification on this.

This was not your typical "go kill" one mission length arc with no text. It was 5 missions, involved what amounts to an exploit (and I don't describe those on the boards) and clearly stated in the text it was set up purely to maximize ticket output.

And once one person comes up with an exploit, others will copy it until the devs do something about it.

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You say exploit, I have to wonder, is it? Or are you just ticked off that it wasnt more RP drivel.

Sometimes you just want to kill things. Sorry, "defeat".

And the question of the day is: did the 5 star people leave feedback? if not, why not? I downgrade arcs that contain EB's or AV's for no good reason. And I leave feedback. If I 4 or 5 star, i leave feedback. How will they know where the goodness in the arc came from if I dont tell them what I liked?

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Siphon more cash from the masses. How about some cool free stuff?

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Oh, you mean like that minor update they released this morning? I guess that wouldn't count though. I mean, it's just a potentially infinite source of new, creative playable content. Not very cool at all, really.

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Exactly what costumes were released? buttcapes only apply to one subset of one class.

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Automatically? No.

At least one person would have to file the petition.

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What makes you think the GM's will do anything? The sg belongs to the SL. Please refer any questions to your new sl overlord.

Booting someone from a sg has never been griefing.

Anyone remember the old gold box dnd games? pool of radiance etc? Those games had awesome(16 color) graphics and were so much better than what came before.

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What the heck do you need an 80386 processor for to do dial-in? I was running, not dialing into but running, stuff like this off of an 8 MHz 8086 over 2400 baud Hayes-compatible modems back in 1985. And I felt extravagant, back then, for having upgraded from the 4.77 MHz 8088 to the 8 MHz 8086. There was no point in upgrading to a '386 unless you were going to run a GUI, and there weren't any Intel-based GUIs worth running until '89.

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I played zork on the university of texas mainframe in 81 lol.

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Heh, I was born in 87.

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When you were born,I was carrying an M16.

Does this affect Recluse's summoned bane spiders? Just curious.

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So in an attempt at summary, this change:
<ul type="square">[*]Was to prevent player pets' powers receiving unintended +recharge from HO, SHO enhancements and IO sets that included recharge bonuses, but were not recharge specific.[*]Primarily targeted Voltaic Sentinel, Lightning Storm and Gun Drone which were attacking much faster than intended.[*]May or may not improve current problems with the Bruiser and Fly Trap endlessly using a single power.[*]May or may not improve other problems with general pet AI.[*]Prevents all player pets from being affected by recharge affecting buffs OR debuffs.[*]Will not prevent pets summoned by NPCs by being buffed or debuffed with recharge effects.[*]Does not prevent player pets from inheriting recharge buffs/debuffs from the player summoning.[/list]Is this correct? Please reply with my errors.
Also, if I'm correct this means that speed boosting a pet will only increase their endurance recovery. Yes?
Also, is a pets movespeed still affected by buffs?

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Some NPC pets will be immune to -recharge. Such as those in MA arcs.

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Dear Devs,

Wow. How can I thank you for this change? My main character, the one I spent countless hours developing and equipping, the one for whom I commissioned artwork IRL, has now been retconned into mediocrity. You couldn't even do him the honor of killing him in a meaningful way? No, he's now the Salieri of controllers.

Bravo. You sure know how to make someone feel super. I hope someone makes *you* feel super in the same way too.

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Just park him next to the stone/em tanks and brutes. In the toon dustbin.

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You anti-doom police assume that anyone against a change are dev haters and doom mongers.

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Like you labeling anyone who is ok with the changes as a dev apologist? Or is it that assumptions only okay when I'm agreeing with you?

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But that ice tanker that goes up against your mm in pvp...part of his mitigation are recharge slows on your pets. they arent there now. none of the powers in cox exist by themselves. there are consequences to changes such as this.Maybe the effect of this is ok, but it needs to be looked at. Yes the devs make mistakes

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While the change will negatively effect toons who use -recharge against pets and in pvp testing will need to be done as to determine how bad it really is. And about pvp.... didn't i13 already show that the devs didn't give a damn about PvP?

That said I strongly believe that pretty much every pet for the most part will be okay despite Gun Drones and VS..... both of which could have used a buff anyhow and now that this is said and done hopefully they will throw a bone..... though either way I'll still probably use Gun Drone.

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I apologize for coming across like that..im just tired of any one with a disagreement with a nerf being called a doom crier.

and yes. the devs didnt make this change for you lol