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Originally Posted by graystar_blaster

i just posted a thread in player questions but i think in hindsight it should be here


Will holds ever be a real part of pvp again or is it gonna stay passive controle such as end drain, kb, confuse, debuffin

just wondering if i missed anything or if anyone had any thoguhts

Originally Posted by Xanatos

tl;dr Scrappers are a PVP archetype used primarily by newbies & bad players. The new PVP system is so heavily biased in their favor, adhering to their requests (not using inspirations/not running) would be ridiculous.

Okay I'm going to post up a mature reply to your post Stone Daemon. I'm not doing this because you deserve it. I'm doing it because I don't want you to think the "LOL GTFO BADDO" responses you're getting are indicative of the people on this forum hiding their "wrongness" behind a mask of 1337 memes and adolescant humor. They're not wrong, they're just bored of talking about "honor" and inspirations.



First of all, there is no such thing as "honor" in a video game. I don't fight with honor in Tekken, Street Fighter, Fallout 3, COD4, L4D, Chess, Monopoly, tic tac toe, etc. I play to win. City of heroes is a VIDEO GAME and there is no such thing as honor in a video game. I play it to win it.

I know a lot of players invest a lot of time & in-game money in their characters. But that is no excuse to use your character as an extension of yourself. Realise that if you're asking someone else to CHANGE THE WAY THEY ARE PLAYING to accomodate you, than you are being ridiculous.

In short: Play 2 win. It's a game.

Secondly, not using inspirations shows a clear lack of skill. It shows that you're not able to ration how often you use them. It shows you don't know which ones to bring to counter different enemies / different situations. Inspirations act as YET ONE MORE THING you need to micro-manage. (The player not using inspirations has one less thing to worry about and thusly has an easier time operating his character.) To this end, it takes more skill to use inspirations than to not use them.

But let's get into why you thought that people should fight "with honor" and "without inspirations".

Something I find very often in newbies is something I call REGEN BIAS. This is a mindset many new players (or bad players) have by which they think that PVP should exist in a way that makes them as good as they are in PVE. This isn't unique to regen scrappers or even scrappers as a whole, but it is so ridiculous that most serious people just tend to respond to them with "LOL FITEKLUB GTFO". (In the same way you would tell a crazy man to "GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME.")

It's called "regen bias" because most regen scrappers subscribe to this mentality. Regen scrappers don't need to use inspirations; so they wrongly assume their enemies don't need to either. Regen scrappers are durable enough to stand and fight "with honor"; so they wrongly assume their enemies are capable of this also.

What players suffering Regen Bias don't realise is that different archetypes survive by different methods. Scrappers and tanks survive by being innately durable. But blasters & other ranged damage characters must survive by being evasive. Stalkers have to survive by being stealthy. It all makes sense if you take the time to consider what the different characters have to do to kill & stay alive in PVP.

Stone Daemon I hope you don't take any of the hostility shown towards you on a personal level. It's not you the PVP regulars are raging at, it's more what you represent. You represent a large contingent of the PVP population which is not prepared to educate themselves to how PVP ACTUALLy works & will instead moan and whine and hope the developers change things. This is what lead to thee atrocious changes in Issue 13... something that ruined the game for a lot of the more serious PVPers among us. I suppose in this new light you can understand the hostility? It was people "like you" that caused this game's PVP to be changed in the first place.

Originally Posted by kebin

I have been searching the PvP forums for any kind of controller info and it's been very difficult. It looks like PvP is primarily geared for whoever has the highest burst damage and with a controller you don't quite get the same kind of dmg available to the other classes. So as the title says... how do you use a controller in PvP? I really want to try one and it would be helpful to get info on how to use it in each kind of PvP situation (zone, arena, team, and tactics vs each class). If there are any kinds of guides out there explaining this please give me a link or something.

Originally Posted by black_barrier

i wonder why people don't play healers in zone though... maybe it has something to do with that movement suppression thing whenever they hit their healing auras. or that pesky heal suppression thingy... yeah..


certain devs might be retarded.

Originally Posted by Tokyo

Sure, I have an iron I can sell you. Anything to keep my transactions off market. How can I contact you?

Originally Posted by black_barrier

stfuuuuu baddie

Originally Posted by superbd

I logged in Monday (after having been away for about 3-4 months) and it is DEAD.
There were 3 people in the the first zone I went to, and 2 people in the next.

Is this game taking a big nose dive?

Originally Posted by macskull

The concept of DR isn't a bad one (it's not one I agree with, but I can understand why it was implemented), it's how it works with the rest of the game that causes problems. The PvP base resistance that's granted to all ATs (except Tanks and MMs) compounds the problem - between the base resist and my epic/patron shield, I'm very near (if not already at) the DR hard-cap for resistance, and external buffs like Thermal or Sonic shields will add almost nothing to my stats. DR and the change to cage powers have made Sonic a completely worthless set. However, melee ATs (which already have good defense or resistance, tons of hit points, and sometimes even multiple self-heals) aren't hit nearly as hard by DR. I can understand DR if you apply it to trying to stop a tank-mage Blaster (say, for example, a Blaster running double-stacked Sonic shields with an Emp backing him up), but a smart opposing team will be going after that Emp while the rest of the teammates are providing disruption so that Blaster is less effective against getting a lock and quick kill on a target.

What really needs to be removed is travel suppression and heal decay, and I wouldn't be too opposed to dropping the base resistances either. The problem with the changes as a whole is they took balance from team encounters in favor of balance for 1v1 encounters, and everything's about damage now. Under the old rules there were some builds that didn't win because of damage output, but because of attrition - they wore their opponent down over a 10-minute match. With the new rules, everything's focused on damage and there are very few real attrition builds that are still viable. In a 1v1 situation under the old rules, the rock/paper/scissors metaphor applied, unless the participants were using similar builds, and in that case the better build would win assuming equal skill. Under the new rules, none of that has changed, but everything's been slowed down and essentially having skill lopped off at the top instead of being boosted from the bottom means being "good" doesn't mean nearly as much as it did before.

Thing is, rewards shouldn't be what brings a player in. The system should be reward enough by merit of having fun while doing it. Hell, there were no PvP rewards from I4 until I12, and yet PvP garnered a respectable population. Fact of the matter is most MMO players aren't in it for the PvP. They don't want to PvP, they despise having PvP forced on them, for whatever reason. Rewards aren't going to illicit anything more than a short-lived curiosity from most people, and when they find they can't just magically waltz into a PvP environment and win like they do in PvE, they'll get frustrated and leave. A PvEer is very unlikely to just wake up one morning and decide they want to PvP - more often than not a PvEer becomes a PvPer because they go into a PvP environment and say "hey, that was fun," or they've got friends who try to get them into it, and they all have fun together, regardless of the reward.

Originally Posted by inti_rB

didn't want to post a new thread when this thread title really relates..

my husband and i were teaming with two characters, both level 35. he was the team leader, and they were his missions. now, because of the ssk, i was auto sidekicked, whatever, doesn't make sense to me at that level, but i'm assuming that it makes no difference as far as xp goes. but thats what brings me to my point. i was receiving twice the xp he was for mission completes, all the other xp was the same as each other. why was the mission complete different? can anyone answer this?

Originally Posted by Ironblade

I requoted the relevant part above: "Rewards also change based on team size".

You proceeded to explain your difficulty settings. These change THE ENEMY SPAWNS. Your team was still X number of people, and then you had some leave. Your difficulty settings are completely separate from your team size. While they both affect enemy spawns, the rewards from each defeat are based on ACTUAL team size.

So, no, the XP should *NOT* have remained identical. It *SHOULD* have gone up, on a per enemy basis, after some people left the team.

hm, let me clarify that last line. The rewards granted from each enemy are affected by team size. The larger the team, the more each enemy awards. However, the reward is DIVIDED among the team and the increase is LESS than the effect of the division. So, on a larger team, each person gets less reward PER ENEMY defeated. However, a larger team will have more enemies spawn and will defeat them faster. In theory, this results in greater overall rewards per unit of time. In practice, team composition will have a major impact. But yes, as you noticed, on a smaller team, each person receives more per defeat. This is working as intended.